Formula Autos Posted March 14, 2012 Share Posted March 14, 2012 Move to this region of the UK and all your cost of living problems will be over. Plus, it's generally just better. It's also a magical place where our dreams CAN come true. Ultra-clean minge-bag spec 205 for £100? It's possible ....http://www.newsandstar.co.uk/news/tale- ... g_1_650049 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forddeliveryboy Posted March 15, 2012 Share Posted March 15, 2012 Govt loves the idea of a yearly charge to use your car - it serves many purposes. Not least breaking up the tax payments to make it feel less severe. Also allows them to fine you if you forget to tell them you're not using your car, even though it's in bits. The Yorkshire Ripper was caught through not having valid tax on his car - they adore this reason, although with ANPR the criminals have simply cloned to avoid immediate detection, so it's no longer valid. Something your average politician just doesn't get - they love the revenues from fines paid by innocent people too much. Of course 'road tax' should go on fuel, it makes sense in almost every way. Those in the farthest flung places with many miles to travel often benefit from empty, glorious roads and if they can't afford fuel then they improvise, at first with more economical cars. I'd prefer to spend £20 on fuel and go 200 miles on roads in Skye than live in middle England and travel half the distance on the same £20 because of traffic lights, roundabouts, congestion and crap road design. The little round disc also employs a load of people who'd otherwise be out of work and so a drain on the state. Govt knows people will not be separated from their cars, at almost any cost. So they tax them to the hilt. Light aircraft are relatively cheap by comparison, as are large commercial vehicles considering what they can pull. A 30 or 40 foot sailing boat is a total bargain, considering you can go all round the world carrying several passenger and loads of cargo for free, almost. Just avoid the Somali coast and the East China Sea in the same way as I do the A13. Loving our motor cars is financially plain daft if we want to use them on public roads, but we love them and the freedoms we feel they give us. Just accept a financial shafting for the pleasure. Motorists are in a potentially very powerful position - we should use our clout to improve our lot, it's just a shame most motorists today aren't really bothered. Good job a few Lords and Commoners appreciate old motors, or our lot would be far far worse than it is already. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
e287yba Posted March 15, 2012 Share Posted March 15, 2012 When spotted in Sheffield, the Yorkshire Ripper's car (Rover 3500) had number plates attached that he had stolen from a scrapyard in Mirfield earlier that day - they related to a Skoda and not the Rover 3500 they were on. The tax disc on the Rover, showing registration number FHY 400K, gave a clue as to the real identity of the car and who the driver might be. He had let the Insurance lapse on the car though, as he was facing a trial for drink-driving soon after and a ban of at least a year was inevitable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
willswitchengage Posted March 19, 2012 Author Share Posted March 19, 2012 Bump, as this may all be irrelevant soon. Following the phenomenal success stories of utilities and rail privatisation, and the ongoing PR winz of privatising WM/Surrey police and the NHS (although both will still remain Gov't owned, by definition the contracting out of services and finance-not-results approaches do dictionary-definition constitute a privatisation), it seems selling off our roads is back on the agenda. If they do, it would be nice if we actually got a fair price (BR was sold off at ~£6bn, DB of Germany is currently valued at around 60-100bn euros for their proposed sell-off). If anybody has ever used the M6 recently they will know what success stories private "relief" toll roads have been. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trigger Posted March 19, 2012 Share Posted March 19, 2012 They are taking about making the A14 a toll road which could mean that I'll have to pay to drive to work and will encourage lorry drivers to use the back roads through the small villages instead. Plus diesel was £150.9 yesterday, grumpy... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
willswitchengage Posted March 19, 2012 Author Share Posted March 19, 2012 They are taking about making the A14 a toll road which could mean that I'll have to pay to drive to work and will encourage lorry drivers to use the back roads through the small villages instead. Plus diesel was £150.9 yesterday, grumpy... Last time I filled up, fuelly says petrol was 10p less than it is now. Fail. Good luck with the A14. I was up cycling near Cannock the other day, and as usual the A5 was congested with lorries with the M6 toll empty save for an occasional coach or BMW. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M'coli Posted March 19, 2012 Share Posted March 19, 2012 I think this is going to become a greater and greater problem with all services and the things that we use. They are ours, for us to use, paid for in general by the taxes of our forebears so that we could do the things we need to do to get by. Yet we ourselves seem unwilling, or are made to think it's a bad idea, to "pay" for these things upfront via our taxes - and so we are being told that it is a "good thing" that private investment pays for them instead. So who pays the private investment firms so they get a return for their money and the profit that they seek? Us. Through the nose. Either via the tax system when later government administrations realise the folly that the past 30-odd years of various governments has showered down on us, or straight out of our bank accounts on a direct debit basis via some form of CCTV or GPS road charging. Why are we as a nation being so short-sighted? The comparison that was made with the water companies is insulting, considering how much of them are owned by the Qataris/Chinese/etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SambaS Posted March 19, 2012 Share Posted March 19, 2012 I paid over £8 today to fill up a can of petrol that used to cost me £4.60. Shocking bastards! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cavcraft Posted March 19, 2012 Share Posted March 19, 2012 According to the bible that is Radio 2 the government are NOT on about selling off any current roads, they're proposing it for any future new roads and obv. a toll will be charged for the use of. If ever they made all motorways toll roads you'd want to make sure you didn't live near any other main road as traffic will back up no end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M'coli Posted March 19, 2012 Share Posted March 19, 2012 ^^^ This will indeed be the case, but what will happen when that parallel route wears out? I'd guess the route would be sold off to a private firm, who will introduce toll charges to pay for the re-building of it and so on and so on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Negative Creep Posted March 19, 2012 Share Posted March 19, 2012 139.9 for unleaded today. Doesnmt matter who's in charge, none of them have a clue Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
warren t claim Posted March 19, 2012 Share Posted March 19, 2012 After noticing that my gas combi boiler is made by Worcester Bosch as opposed to Worcester Lucas I'm going to run by central heating on used oil from the chippy. The money I save on heating costs can go straight into the tank of the Mercedes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gtd2000 Posted March 20, 2012 Share Posted March 20, 2012 After noticing that my gas combi boiler is made by Worcester Bosch as opposed to Worcester Lucas I'm going to run by central heating on used oil from the chippy. The money I save on heating costs can go straight into the tank of the Mercedes. Any idea if red diesel is cheaper than kerosene and if so - can you use it in a boiler? I'm assuming similar results but lower surphur content or suchlike? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
warren t claim Posted March 21, 2012 Share Posted March 21, 2012 So we're still getting the 3p rise in fuel duty. But at least we'll be able to pay for car tax by direct debit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CortinaDave Posted March 21, 2012 Share Posted March 21, 2012 Aye the number one tax concern according to the recent polls is fuel duty... and that's the one he increases... I often think if you're in London and on London wages and with London prices as most of the government are, petrol as a proportion of your monthly spend probably seems relatively reasonable... but living up here in the north on half the money and having to travel double the distance because everything's much more spread out it's crippling... I spend more on petrol per month than any of my other bills, including the mortgage. Problem is... it doesnt seem to matter which party is in, They're ALL really heavy on the motorist, so we cant win. Still at least beer didn't go up for once... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
willswitchengage Posted March 21, 2012 Author Share Posted March 21, 2012 Despite this rise, the IATA can still find something to complain about. Airlines pay no VAT or duty whatsoever on their fuel, but are still finding room to moan about how the rise in wholesale prices is crippling their unsustainable, elitist and environmentally insulting "industry". Cleary, 40p per litre is too expensive for Branso or Walsh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CortinaDave Posted March 21, 2012 Share Posted March 21, 2012 Can i convert my orion to run on aviation fuel??? Bet it would go well then Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
warren t claim Posted March 21, 2012 Share Posted March 21, 2012 Can i convert my orion to run on aviation fuel??? Bet it would go well then I believe private light aircraft run on full fat, untaxed leaded petrol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lankytim Posted March 21, 2012 Share Posted March 21, 2012 Time to gas up the Volvo! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete-M Posted March 21, 2012 Share Posted March 21, 2012 Problem is... it doesnt seem to matter which party is in, They're ALL really heavy on the motorist, so we cant win. You can't say that, you'll upset the Mirror readers and other short-sighted, media educated, union member Labour apologists. Everyone in Europe is paying roughly similar prices for fuel. Whether it's petrol, diesel or LPG. Some countries are daft enough to charge more for petrol than for diesel, and others do it the other way around. We're not actually being shafted that badly in comparison with some places as although we pay a bit more for car insurance (that's down to the claims culture we have so it's self-inflicted) and we don't do badly for road tax when you compare the price of a years tax here to Ireland or plenty of other places. This budget isn't that bad. Could have been worse. Could have been a Labour one. "Rape the motorist and call it an environmental tax". Of course, if you ask a Labour MP what they'd have done they'll tell you that if you vote for them they'll pay you £500 a minute to use petrol, in fact, they'll give you a Lamborghini for free and your own personal brothel. Staffed entirely with nymphomaniac nurses who love beige. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CortinaDave Posted March 21, 2012 Share Posted March 21, 2012 I believe private light aircraft run on full fat, untaxed leaded petrol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
willswitchengage Posted March 21, 2012 Author Share Posted March 21, 2012 Could have been a Labour one. "Rape the motorist and call it an environmental tax". Woah, look at that massive real-terms increase in fuel duty when Tony Brown was in charge, and that huge decrease when John "I like trains" Major was in Gov't. My mate used to run his CDTi-stra on Kerosene as he used to work by an airfield, only thing that stopped him was guilt. Countryside, everybody does it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
autofive Posted March 21, 2012 Share Posted March 21, 2012 My mate used to run his CDTi-stra on Kerosene as he used to work by an airfield, only thing that stopped him was guilt. Countryside, everybody does it. at least heating oil (kerosine) is white, and low tax last year it was the prime target for 'fuel thieves' but now (from what i ve read in the news recently) the fave is diesel from parked overnight HGVs. but i thought all the big operators used a blue or purple stain to make it difficult to sell on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
willswitchengage Posted March 23, 2012 Author Share Posted March 23, 2012 Nice that BBC news at ten managed to squeeze a 2CV into their petrol prices report They commented on rising prices encouraging manufacturers to develop more efficient engines etc, but the irony of this is that it is highly reductive. The exciting laws of economics tell us that if you make a process more efficient then you will use more of it - as in far more than you would have with its less efficient predecessor. Your 2litre TDi will use more fuel than your Dad's Perkins-Montego, purely as the enormous power it creates encourages a more lively driving style, plus it'll be a lot heavier. Although you must genuinely sympathise with commercial drivers, the people who make no effort to stop driving like an oaf don't really have the same qualification to moan about how much it is at the pumps. It is sad though - people who have to race between the lights in their Audi Q7s - it must be so difficult living with a penis that small. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scooters Posted March 24, 2012 Share Posted March 24, 2012 The hidden cost to all this is the crippling effect it has on the economy and I am referring to the whole of the eu here. If we are going to have a hope in hell of our kids not learning mandrin or Cantonese instead of French or Germans then we desperately need to follow their example of centrally managing the underlying essentials of the economy. The problem is this democracy nonsense what we need is a brutal dictatorship with me incharge. Seriously though it is a nightmare for business especially manufacturing. If the govt is serious about moving from a banker/service economy to a balanced one then the much neglected manufacturing sector needs specific attention...ie red diesel for distribution would make a hell if a difference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve austin Posted March 24, 2012 Share Posted March 24, 2012 Fuel duty affects me but not on the same scale as a haulage company so I can just about afford to choose my car as I travel very little miles a year. The car is not a god given right to own for everyone but as per usual its the less affluent that will feel the pinch before the top earners. I appreciate the government has set outgoings and income to find but I get really annoyed when they hide behind the "green" banner and cite enviro issues as part of the reason for such high fuel duty. I am willing to keep paying extortionate duty IF the road system gets better, public transport is dragged out of the dark ages and seen as a real alternative to cars and that we support those services like truckers that need affordable fuel in order to fill our bellies and clothe our backs............ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete-M Posted March 24, 2012 Share Posted March 24, 2012 The car is not a god given right to own for everyone but as per usual its the less affluent that will feel the pinch before the top earners. I hate to be the one to point this out, but that's true of everything. If you're a top earner, it's easier to buy stuff because you have more money than people who aren't top earners. It's why people work hard to become top earners. Of course, to quote that moron Balls "It's not fair". Him and his cronies fail to appreciate that life generally isn't fair. Taxing those who're successful to pay for those who're not is not the answer to absolutely everything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cavcraft Posted March 24, 2012 Share Posted March 24, 2012 You can't say that Scooters, the Daily Mail reading 'everything is Labour's fault' and 'fuck you, I'm alright Jack' brigade will crucify you. Just before they sit back watching thousands being lobbed out of work and even less money going back into the economy as a result.Obv. the good thing is though these people never take any holidays, have proper, safe working conditions and take inordinate amounts of shit off their bosses because those nasty union boys set this up for everyone, and we can't be seen to be liking anything they did.Oh, and rising fuel duty and VED is fine because it's expensive elsewhere in the world, and banking on that theory maybe we should start torturing people and shooting them for allegedly missing a tax payment. They do this in China so it's only right we should do it here too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete-M Posted March 24, 2012 Share Posted March 24, 2012 Alternatively, the Mirror reading "Everything the Tories do is evil" and "Fuck success, I'm a Union Man" brigade will complain about anything that doesn't utterly butt-fuck this country in the name of communism. Two sides to every argument. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scooters Posted March 24, 2012 Share Posted March 24, 2012 news this morning - the twats now want to 'go after the tax dodging contract and temporary worker. errrmm... successive governments have created an work economy where corporates can hire people on such a contract rather than employ somone properly - they have to realise that they cannot have their cake and eat it - if you are going to treat people cynically then do not be surprised if they turn round and do the same to the system. as it happens, as a 'so called high earning contractor myself' I was paid less than my colleagues on permanent contracts because although my 'day rate' looked high, by the time you had taken off corporation tax, personal tax, sick pay, holiday pay and NI I took home less than my colleagues and had less rights. By giving PAYE temps the same employment rights as permanent staff all that hashappenedis the threshold for hiringaday rate ltd company contractor has dropped. With the new fuel costs there is no way I could have done my old job, I would have been shelling out 200 quid a week on fuel which I would havebeen unable to claim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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