Conrad D. Conelrad Posted December 20, 2011 Share Posted December 20, 2011 I rather like how the Dacia Logan Van is just the estate without the rear side windows, retaining the back doors. It looks a bit odd, but it's got to be immensely more versatile than normal small vans. Looks like they can be unlocked individually too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig the Princess Posted December 20, 2011 Share Posted December 20, 2011 The mark 1 Espace looks like Neil Kinnock. Didn't Shipman have a Mark 1 Espace? Or was it just driving past? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Autoplas Posted December 20, 2011 Share Posted December 20, 2011 I'm no fan of French cars, but to write all Renault models off as rubbish as certain individuals have on this thread is with respect just ignorant Spent several weeks earlier this year looking at a ton of cars from lots of different manufacturers to meet a specific needs list my Mum has. I really did not want to recommend anything French, but after several l o n g test drives, crawling about inside cars with tape measures, dealing with all kinds of odious salesman (and a few nice ones),checking spec lists and considering ease of access, visibility, seat comfort, load space etc etc the car that ticked more boxes than any other was a Renault (not one of the cars being cut). The car is now six months old, no complaints whatsover with the build quality, finish & fit, equipment or anything else and it is a pleasant drive. Ok it isn't as nice to drive as my E-Class but it is a better than the previous car (a Nissan which was a decent car also). If anything I think Renault is headed for a rise and they are cutting away the dross, and lets face it all manufacturers go through this process don't they ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tayne Posted December 21, 2011 Share Posted December 21, 2011 The mark 1 Espace looks like Neil Kinnock. I'm struggling to visualise, can we have some comparison photos please. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Felly Magic Posted December 21, 2011 Share Posted December 21, 2011 The French government are currently battling the Renault family who are trying to get their firm back, that was stolen from them under the nazi occupation of Germany as well I've heard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Autoplas Posted December 21, 2011 Share Posted December 21, 2011 The French government are currently battling the Renault family who are trying to get their firm back, that was stolen from them under the nazi occupation of Germany as well I've heard. Yes it was........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig the Princess Posted December 21, 2011 Share Posted December 21, 2011 Kinnock Espace Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoadworkUK Posted December 21, 2011 Share Posted December 21, 2011 Craig, you've posted the same picture twice. Have another go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Felly Magic Posted December 21, 2011 Share Posted December 21, 2011 One thing I do not get with any so called MPV is, that where the fuck do you put your shopping when all the seats are in use? Is that why I've seen so many people carriers with roof boxes? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig the Princess Posted December 21, 2011 Share Posted December 21, 2011 Craig, you've posted the same picture twice. Have another go. MPV Former MP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tayne Posted December 21, 2011 Share Posted December 21, 2011 Kinnock Espace. Nah, still not seeing it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renault18 Posted December 21, 2011 Share Posted December 21, 2011 You know, you may just have a point - you never see Kinnock and mk1 Espace in the same garage together Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Felly Magic Posted December 21, 2011 Share Posted December 21, 2011 Neil Espace? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoadworkUK Posted December 21, 2011 Share Posted December 21, 2011 The mark 1 Espace looks like Neil Kinnock. I think it only works on certain colours, and if the light hits it from certain angles, but you're right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RENOMAD Posted December 21, 2011 Share Posted December 21, 2011 I never through this thread would go to nearly 10 pages----Renault bashing is still rife..I'll never give in though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
messerschmitt owner Posted December 21, 2011 Share Posted December 21, 2011 I never through this thread would go to nearly 10 pages----Renault bashing is still rife..I'll never give in though.it isn't rife everywhere - but you have to admit, for a period, their cars were utterly crap, with myriad faults that shouldn't exist on a modern car! I like a lot of older Renaults, and I like the current megane coupe. But hey, modern Peugeot bashing is also common here too - for very good reasons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Father Ted Posted December 21, 2011 Share Posted December 21, 2011 One thing I do not get with any so called MPV is, that where the fuck do you put your shopping when all the seats are in use? Is that why I've seen so many people carriers with roof boxes? Depends which one you have - the Zafira had fuck all boot space with all seats in use, whereas the C8 has quite enough space for a Maclaren pram and grocery shopping with all seats in use. Yes Fred Shipman had an Espace. If Renault use the same dealers to sell the Dacia range then I can see both ranges happily co-existing so long as they dont get like VAG and put the prices up of the cheap stuff (Skoda anyone?). Economically we are at a point where we need budget brands of cars again (like Lada was in the 70's and 80's) n this country and it seems perfect sense to me at least for "prestige" makes to have a budget arm, so Dacia for Renault, Skoda for VAG, Renault for Nissan and so on.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RENOMAD Posted December 21, 2011 Share Posted December 21, 2011 One thing I do not get with any so called MPV is, that where the fuck do you put your shopping when all the seats are in use? Is that why I've seen so many people carriers with roof boxes? Depends which one you have - the Zafira had fuck all boot space with all seats in use, whereas the C8 has quite enough space for a Maclaren pram and grocery shopping with all seats in use. Yes Fred Shipman had an Espace. If Renault use the same dealers to sell the Dacia range then I can see both ranges happily co-existing so long as they dont get like VAG and put the prices up of the cheap stuff (Skoda anyone?). Economically we are at a point where we need budget brands of cars again (like Lada was in the 70's and 80's) n this country and it seems perfect sense to me at least for "prestige" makes to have a budget arm, so Dacia for Renault, Skoda for VAG, Renault for Nissan and so on.... I was agreeing with everthing you said until "Renault for Nissan" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Father Ted Posted December 21, 2011 Share Posted December 21, 2011 I was agreeing with everthing you said until "Renault for Nissan" Im teasing you Reno. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RENOMAD Posted December 21, 2011 Share Posted December 21, 2011 I was agreeing with everthing you said until "Renault for Nissan" Im teasing you Reno. Sorry,,,,,,we have had Renault in our family for 40 years,,,I have worked in various Renault dealerships for 12 years so you can understand how defensive I am about them.....yes there have been problems and no, Renault havn't been quick enough to address these to their detriment. But what you have here is a fiercely proud company with a history going back well over 100 years who have not been afraid to think outside the box as regards design. Their main failing is that they are French,,and French do not make mistakes and do not admit that their are problems until it is too late and for me THAT is the main problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cort16 Posted December 21, 2011 Share Posted December 21, 2011 For all their flaws I though the range around 2002 was a great looking bunch compared to the competitors. I still think the Laguna II in wagon form is a great looking cars, the fat ass Megane looked fantastic compared to the one before and I still have major love for the Avantime and Vel-Satis and even though no-one bought them at least they tried something different. However the current range of Cars don't do it for me the Lagunas are funny looking, the Megane looks dull compared to the last one and although I like the Clio I think the facelift makes it look odd (see Laguna). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RENOMAD Posted December 21, 2011 Share Posted December 21, 2011 Lets hope that the car will start to look at bit more interesting from now on at the helm of new Design Chief, Laurens van den Acker.He is the one who designed the DeZir and this apparently lends its face to new Renaults from now on--time will tell. Me-----I'm waiting for the Duster,,,,£150 will change all its badges to Renault Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Father Ted Posted December 21, 2011 Share Posted December 21, 2011 I have worked in various Renault dealerships for 12 years so you can understand how defensive I am about them.....Their main failing is that they are French,,and French do not make mistakes and do not admit that their are problems until it is too late and for me THAT is the main problem. Hey, you are talking to a paid up Citrophile here (AX, BX, ZX, Xantia, Berlingo, C8) I know where you are coming from - Gr8 design ideas, bonkers engineering, materials made of Cheesium. The Laguna 1 we had was like that - Great car in every respect apart from the rear suspension was made out of cardboard and useless for towing my caravan with. I rebuilt it with progressive gasmatics and coil overs and jobbed.Citroen (the mentalist arm of PSA) are the same with regards design. I loves em. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R9UKE Posted December 21, 2011 Share Posted December 21, 2011 Citroen have also lost it. Fitting springs to the new C5 unless you opt for the Exclusive model says it all. Patrick le Quément was responsible for the most daring Renault designs, as well as bringing that madness to "normal" cars like the Mégane when the II was launched in 02. I highly doubt anyone will be able to inject as much madness, Frenchness and class into future Renault designs as he did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RENOMAD Posted December 21, 2011 Share Posted December 21, 2011 Citroen have also lost it. Fitting springs to the new C5 unless you opt for the Exclusive model says it all. Patrick le Quément was responsible for the most daring Renault designs, as well as bringing that madness to "normal" cars like the Mégane when the II was launched in 02. I highly doubt anyone will be able to inject as much madness, Frenchness and class into future Renault designs as he did. Remeber a few years ago when the C5 came out,,,they were actually suggesting that it was German like------Citroen was always known for its pure wierdness but to suggest it was Germanlike completely goes against it values. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dollywobbler Posted December 21, 2011 Share Posted December 21, 2011 While I want to hate the C5 Mk2 for that very German reason, there's no denying that hydropneumatic is a waste of time. I've spent a lot of time driving a coil-sprung C5 and it was bloody marvellous. Not that keen on the dashboard, which you almost seem to wear, but it's a very impressive car. Far more so than the C5 Mk1, which itself is not exactly a paragon of reliability. Citroen WAS always known for quirk value, but to be honest, that rapidly disappeared in the Xsara, Xantia and Saxo days. Truth is that not enough people want quirky. People like me who love quirky are not likely to buy a brand new car... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luxobarges_Are_Us Posted December 21, 2011 Share Posted December 21, 2011 I've never driven a C5 (not even a Sinclair C5!), but can the coil-sprung one really go through speedbumps (the bigger, ramp-type ones) at 25mph without its passengers suffering noticeable discomfort? I've only had that experience in a Xantia with new spheres, and it's the only hydropneumatic car I've ever driven. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RENOMAD Posted December 21, 2011 Share Posted December 21, 2011 Its amazing how this Renault thread has turned into a Citroen one Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M'coli Posted December 21, 2011 Share Posted December 21, 2011 It hasn't - it's turned into a discussion about how innovative marques that have produced some fantastic and individual vehicles over the years have become emasculated by the success of more conventional fare to the point where the innovators have become run-of-the-mill themselves, and seem to have lost their way and their traditional customer base as they've done so. What's really shit about Renault/Citreon/Lancia etc at the moment is that they won't produce anything that is interesting, because the buying public won't want it and the traditional quirky customer base for such vehicles has dwindled or has moved on to other manufacturers. All cars it seems must now follow a particular formula for the way they operate, and there is a lamentable lack of choice out there. I blame new car journalists for this myself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renault18 Posted December 21, 2011 Share Posted December 21, 2011 It hasn't - it's turned into a discussion about how innovative marques that have produced some fantastic and individual vehicles over the years have become emasculated by the success of more conventional fare to the point where the innovators have become run-of-the-mill themselves, and seem to have lost their way and their traditional customer base as they've done so. What's really shit about Renault/Citreon/Lancia etc at the moment is that they won't produce anything that is interesting, because the buying public won't want it and the traditional quirky customer base for such vehicles has dwindled or has moved on to other manufacturers. All cars it seems must now follow a particular formula for the way they operate, and there is a lamentable lack of choice out there. I blame new car journalists for this myself. Spot on! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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