sierraman Posted April 19, 2019 Share Posted April 19, 2019 It’s strange how the hybrids have been unreliable given they are so reliable as a car. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
busmansholiday Posted April 19, 2019 Share Posted April 19, 2019 It’s strange how the hybrids have been unreliable given they are so reliable as a car.Both Stagecoach in Sheffield and Manchester had batches of identical hybrids. The Manchester ones were far more reliable than the Sheffield ones. Sensibility they swoped them, the most reliable of Manchester's was suddenly a bag of shite in Sheffield whilst Sheffield's worse one was pretty reliable in Manchester. Difference, bfo hills in Sheffield, pretty flat in Manchester. LightBulbFun 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LightBulbFun Posted April 19, 2019 Share Posted April 19, 2019 Both Stagecoach in Sheffield and Manchester had batches of identical hybrids. The Manchester ones were far more reliable than the Sheffield ones. Sensibility they swoped them, the most reliable of Manchester's was suddenly a bag of shite in Sheffield whilst Sheffield's worse one was pretty reliable in Manchester. Difference, bfo hills in Sheffield, pretty flat in Manchester. this sort of reminds me of London Transports, XF and XA trials and in the end the production XF, the DMS turned out to be a bag of shite LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mrcento Posted April 19, 2019 Share Posted April 19, 2019 Those Japanese buses all have massive displacement engines and manual gearboxes. Been on some out there, very clunky riding experience. That AD I posted before reminded me of the pre-CCTV period where the driver would have a periscope and series of mirrors and lenses to keep an eye on the upper deck. Ailsas had that. There used to be a mirror at the front top right of upper deck and a slot under the window with 2 angled mirrors pointing up at it and a further couple in the drivers cab the worked like a rear view mirror periscope for the upper deck. Took me longer than it should of as a kid to realise where there were so many mirrors up there haha. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
busmansholiday Posted April 19, 2019 Share Posted April 19, 2019 this sort of reminds me of London Transports, XF and XA trials and in the end the production XF, the DMS turned out to be a bag of shite LOL The DMS was actually a very good bus, the problem was LT, and their "if it wasn't designed / built in London it's a bag of shite " mentality (that still applies). Operators who bought them off LT got a very good bus for peanuts (apart from LT's stuipid electrical changes). I remember chatting with one local municipal operators engineer about the 'scrap' ones they had bought. "What's wrong with that one" I asked, "looks OK to me"?. "LT sold it us as parts for the working ones we bought, actually the only thing wrong is the half shaft is broken. We'll be getting one out of the stores next week". Justin Case and LightBulbFun 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
busmansholiday Posted April 19, 2019 Share Posted April 19, 2019 Ailsas had that. There used to be a mirror at the front top right of upper deck and a slot under the window with 2 angled mirrors pointing up at it and a further couple in the drivers cab the worked like a rear view mirror periscope for the upper deck. Took me longer than it should of as a kid to realise where there were so many mirrors up there haha.First ones in Sheffield were back in the late 60's. Every so often you found one where the glass on the top deck was missing for some reason. Obviously, you didn't* drop things down there knowing it would annoy the driver when it him.... Mrcento 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sierraman Posted April 20, 2019 Share Posted April 20, 2019 Didn’t Andrews buses in Sheffield run Daimler DMS? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
busmansholiday Posted April 20, 2019 Share Posted April 20, 2019 Didn’t Andrews buses in Sheffield run Daimler DMS?They were ex SYPTE ones, but were part of a batch of 30 bought at short notice where Daimler could supply chassisis and MCW could fit bodies but only if they had them to LT design. Only difference externally to a DMS was the destination blind design, the entrance / exit doors were single fold and they didn't have the extra bodywork above the engine bustle.Internally they were trimmed in SYPTE brown. One survives in preservation. http://www.sytt.org.uk/history-of-1515 LightBulbFun and sierraman 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sierraman Posted April 20, 2019 Share Posted April 20, 2019 I loved going on Andrews Buses when I was a kid, I think they used to run up Woodseats way. They were rickety old noisy things but as a kid I liked that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inspector Morose Posted April 20, 2019 Share Posted April 20, 2019 One rough and ready scanner session later.... And lastly, added not for the quality of shot but for the levels of chod around rml2345, willswitchengage, Yoss and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
busmansholiday Posted April 20, 2019 Share Posted April 20, 2019 One rough and ready scanner session later.... Andrews 1.jpgAndrews 3.jpgAndrews 4.jpgAndrews 5.jpgAndrews 6.jpgAndrews 7.jpgAndrews 8 .jpgAndrews 10.jpg And lastly, added not for the quality of shot but for the levels of chod around Andrews 9.jpgTop photo, second from left is one of the ex SYT ECW bodied Fleetlines, another rare breed, one surviving. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Snipes Posted April 20, 2019 Share Posted April 20, 2019 I wonder how many GM or Mayne of Manchester have survived? Snookey 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
busmansholiday Posted April 20, 2019 Share Posted April 20, 2019 I wonder how many GM or Mayne of Manchester have survived?Not that many. Some of the earlier stuff survives (at least one of their Regent V) but with the modern stuff they were mostly second hand so those that still exist have been restored in their original owners colours. Snookey 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
willswitchengage Posted April 21, 2019 Share Posted April 21, 2019 In Embsay Station car park earlier today Inspector Morose and somewhatfoolish 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
busmansholiday Posted April 21, 2019 Share Posted April 21, 2019 Given all this ultra low emissions / zero emissions stuff, wouldn't London have done better to have kept these ? LightBulbFun, Yoss and rml2345 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
busmansholiday Posted April 21, 2019 Share Posted April 21, 2019 In Embsay Station car park earlier todayIMG_20190421_125556866.jpgDrove a few of those in the 70's, the overdrive 5th was fun* if you forgot to put in in 4th before slowing down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dollywobbler Posted April 21, 2019 Share Posted April 21, 2019 I had a go at this bus driving lark. I would not like to do it in a city, with a bus full of screaming kids. Hat duly doffed to those who do! LightBulbFun, clayts450, Six-cylinder and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LightBulbFun Posted April 21, 2019 Share Posted April 21, 2019 what the resonating cooked cow between 2 bits of bread said I thoroughly enjoyed the video to quote busmansholiday, will it do smiths MPH? is the reasoning for pausing between gear shifts, is to let air pressure build back up in the system or is it something else? also out of curiosity if you dont mind me asking, how did insurance work out? from what iv read (in this very thread I think ), while you can drive a 30+ year old buses on a normal licence etc, practically no one will insure you or does this just fall under your "can drive other peoples "cars" 3rd party only" thing? HarmonicCheeseburger 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
willswitchengage Posted April 21, 2019 Share Posted April 21, 2019 Wow, I didn't know Ian was an 'influencer'! I remember almost ten years ago on the BX Forum or maybe here when you were discussing trying to break into indy-journalism, looks like it's worked out. Top job. In more boring news I think Reading have de-hybridised some of their Dennis doublet deckers as they've removed all the fancy green branding and they sound very different. In the BAE system I think it's a fairly simple job, as their hybridrive was packaged as a gearbox anyway, so kept the angle drive to the axle etc. LightBulbFun 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cms206 Posted April 22, 2019 Share Posted April 22, 2019 Just been catching up on this thread... First off: Ian. Driven like an absolute professional, perfect timing on the gear changes. While a pause IS necessary it's needs be no longer than it takes to rev match. One of the three Nationals I owned more or less demanded flat changes 'cos the exhausters in the gearbox were fucked and another slipped like a bastard if you were too quick 3rd>4th and 4th>5th. Secondly: It is well known of my dislike of Routemasters but on the other side of that coin I absolutely adore DM and DMS Fleetlines; I've driven probably a dozen Fleetlines and the one thing that a DM/DMS does REALLY well is not drive like a Fleetline. They're a really beautiful bus to drive. Thirdly: The National 2 Ian refers to in his video was one of mine back in the days when I dabbled in such things. Sadly joint ownership didn't work out (it rarely does - don't do buses, kids) but there are plenty videos of it on YouTube. Here is one of them, a drivepast with me at the helm. https://youtu.be/m-Qp51rEb5I Sent from my SM-G930F using Tapatalk LightBulbFun 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dollywobbler Posted April 22, 2019 Share Posted April 22, 2019 Just been catching up on this thread... First off: Ian. Driven like an absolute professional, perfect timing on the gear changes. While a pause IS necessary it's needs be no longer than it takes to rev match. One of the three Nationals I owned more or less demanded flat changes 'cos the exhausters in the gearbox were fucked and another slipped like a bastard if you were too quick 3rd>4th and 4th>5th. Secondly: It is well known of my dislike of Routemasters but on the other side of that coin I absolutely adore DM and DMS Fleetlines; I've driven probably a dozen Fleetlines and the one thing that a DM/DMS does REALLY well is not drive like a Fleetline. They're a really beautiful bus to drive. Thirdly: The National 2 Ian refers to in his video was one of mine back in the days when I dabbled in such things. Sadly joint ownership didn't work out (it rarely does - don't do buses, kids) but there are plenty videos of it on YouTube. Here is one of them, a drivepast with me at the helm. https://youtu.be/m-Qp51rEb5I Sent from my SM-G930F using Tapatalk Ooh, that is a proper noise. I rather regret not getting any drive-past footage of the one I drove. Thanks for the gear compliments. It was a real head-messer with the right-hand change, and having to take time and driving a friggin' bus AND trying to record a video. I don't think I'd anticipated just how tricky all of that would be, even though I've driven buses (on private land) before. Guess with the gearchange, years of studying drivers as a child paid off! In Birmingham at least, most drivers did seem to use the 'pause' rather than 'slam' method. is the reasoning for pausing between gear shifts, is to let air pressure build back up in the system or is it something else? also out of curiosity if you dont mind me asking, how did insurance work out? from what iv read (in this very thread I think ), while you can drive a 30+ year old buses on a normal licence etc, practically no one will insure you or does this just fall under your "can drive other peoples "cars" 3rd party only" thing? The pause is to make life easier for the gearbox. The closer the rev matching, the easier it is for the gearbox. His insurer seems ok with non-PSV drivers. As you say, many are not. Don't think my third party cover would stretch to a bus! I should also add that the the National I drove was very HubNut. It was a bit of a shed! I really liked it though. It drove well. LightBulbFun and cms206 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cms206 Posted April 22, 2019 Share Posted April 22, 2019 Ooh, that is a proper noise. I rather regret not getting any drive-past footage of the one I drove. Thanks for the gear compliments. It was a real head-messer with the right-hand change, and having to take time and driving a friggin' bus AND trying to record a video. I don't think I'd anticipated just how tricky all of that would be, even though I've driven buses (on private land) before. Guess with the gearchange, years of studying drivers as a child paid off! In Birmingham at least, most drivers did seem to use the 'pause' rather than 'slam' method. The pause is to make life easier for the gearbox. The closer the rev matching, the easier it is for the gearbox. His insurer seems ok with non-PSV drivers. As you say, many are not. Don't think my third party cover would stretch to a bus! I should also add that the the National I drove was very HubNut. It was a bit of a shed! I really liked it though. It drove well.Mr FPB7 will be no doubt be along shortly with the finer points of the National, but it was all done in the name of ergonomics; not that it always worked on buses, for example when Western Scottish acquired a number of National 2s they were converted to left hand gearchange mounted on a pedestal in the cab as that is what drivers preferred on a predominantly Leopard fleet. Also a real mindfuck is the first time you drive a Y-type Leopard as the controls are quite literally everywhere. Handbrake by your right buttock, door controls at your left buttock, gearchange on a column by your left knee, indicators mounted by the drivers window, the rest of the controls wherever they fitted in. Sent from my SM-G930F using Tapatalk Inspector Morose and LightBulbFun 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fairkens Posted April 22, 2019 Share Posted April 22, 2019 Just been catching up on this thread... First off: Ian. Driven like an absolute professional, perfect timing on the gear changes. While a pause IS necessary it's needs be no longer than it takes to rev match. One of the three Nationals I owned more or less demanded flat changes 'cos the exhausters in the gearbox were fucked and another slipped like a bastard if you were too quick 3rd>4th and 4th>5th. Secondly: It is well known of my dislike of Routemasters but on the other side of that coin I absolutely adore DM and DMS Fleetlines; I've driven probably a dozen Fleetlines and the one thing that a DM/DMS does REALLY well is not drive like a Fleetline. They're a really beautiful bus to drive. Thirdly: The National 2 Ian refers to in his video was one of mine back in the days when I dabbled in such things. Sadly joint ownership didn't work out (it rarely does - don't do buses, kids) but there are plenty videos of it on YouTube. Here is one of them, a drivepast with me at the helm. https://youtu.be/m-Qp51rEb5I Sent from my SM-G930F using TapatalkNarrowly avoiding a collision with J Bell esq at around 20secs there cms206 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inspector Morose Posted April 22, 2019 Share Posted April 22, 2019 Mr FPB7 will be no doubt be along shortly with the finer points of the National, but it was all done in the name of ergonomics; not that it always worked on buses, for example when Western Scottish acquired a number of National 2s they were converted to left hand gearchange mounted on a pedestal in the cab as that is what drivers preferred on a predominantly Leopard fleet.Also a real mindfuck is the first time you drive a Y-type Leopard as the controls are quite literally everywhere. Handbrake by your right buttock, door controls at your left buttock, gearchange on a column by your left knee, indicators mounted by the drivers window, the rest of the controls wherever they fitted in. Sent from my SM-G930F using TapatalkMr FPB7 is in France nicking WiFi at cite Europe so just take it as read that you have all been informed about the nuances of the National in all of its forms. rml2345, cms206 and Lord Sterling 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Six-cylinder Posted April 22, 2019 Share Posted April 22, 2019 I grew up in the village of Speen 5 miles outside High Wycombe, Bucks and used the local red bus to High Wycombe from time to time. First I remember was the AEC Regal, which was a bit bumpy. Then they got Britstol REs which seemed to ride better. Then L reg Leyland Nationals appeared, they made me feel travel sick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saabnut Posted April 22, 2019 Share Posted April 22, 2019 Mr FPB7 is in France nicking WiFi at cite Europe so just take it as read that you have all been informed about the nuances of the National in all of its forms. Calling in for a beer then? Inspector Morose 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inspector Morose Posted April 22, 2019 Share Posted April 22, 2019 Calling in for a beer then? Sadly only a day trip this time with Mrs FPB7 in tow. Then again, any excuse for a trip over the water.....Hmm, give it a few days so the wife can be back at work.(This post was sponsored by DFDS) Saabnut 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
willswitchengage Posted April 27, 2019 Share Posted April 27, 2019 Not many photos of it yet but there is a new Brexit bus, which I think is the Leave Means Leave bus with a new lick of paint. The original was widely lambasted for being made in Germany and Poland - the new one is a B7TL. Weren't the first of these made in Irvine before it shut then the remainder made in Sweden? Looks a lot the like NX Coventry livery to me! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mk2_craig Posted April 27, 2019 Share Posted April 27, 2019 Brexit Party logo looks like a two storey house that has blown over. somewhatfoolish 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Felly Magic Posted April 27, 2019 Author Share Posted April 27, 2019 I would have pissed myself if they'd used a Gemini DAF as the B****t bus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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