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Thanks I hadn't realised it was derived from a Wadham Stringer body. P81 VDL was one of my regular school buses around 2000/1, the others were H840 DDL, J142 JDL both of which were Javelins, the former was Wright bodied the latter Wadham Stringer, or sometimes we had one of the UVG bodied Darts. Southern Vectis had N810-5 PDL which AFAIK were the only 8.5m UVG Urbanstar bodied Darts built

 

Edited to add H840 DDL was so low geared the drivers would often set off in 2nd or 3rd as 1st went to maximum revs as soon as it was rolling. 

 

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When I went through my PSV we used two Javelins; ex-Skills L31 ORC which was a Javelin GX290 with a big Cummins L10 and N188 RGD which was the one I passed in. In both the instruction was to always pull away in second, EXCEPT during the gear changing excercise (which I believe I was the last test at Bishopbriggs to feature it before it was phased out) or when the examiner stated to "pull away in the lowest available forward gear".

Javelins were happy enough in second anyway. Still one of my all time favourite buses to drive, great things.

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16 minutes ago, cms206 said:

When I went through my PSV we used two Javelins; ex-Skills L31 ORC which was a Javelin GX290 with a big Cummins L10 and N188 RGD which was the one I passed in. In both the instruction was to always pull away in second, EXCEPT during the gear changing excercise (which I believe I was the last test at Bishopbriggs to feature it before it was phased out) or when the examiner stated to "pull away in the lowest available forward gear".

Javelins were happy enough in second anyway. Still one of my all time favourite buses to drive, great things.

J142 JDL and the P_VDLs were a bit higher geared so would happily pull away in 1st. Some of the best I have driven were the Optare Prismas, the aforementioned B10Ms and Gardner engined Leyland Olympians. We standardised on MCV bodied Volvos for the last couple of years of independence before the Go Ahead takeover last year, I drove one of the Evosetis when it was about a fortnight old and couldn't believe how atrocious the build quality was, I thought it was going to fall apart from the amount of rattles and bangs and flex in the bus. Thankfully new management have said there will be no more of them. 

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Still want to know what bloody engine that ex demonstrator Spectra I had a shot of...that thing was a bloody rocket.  Especially as hitting resume on the cruise control seemed to result in the various systems calculating the fastest possible way to get back to the set speed...normal gearchange points, rev limits etc totally out the window.

The best fun game was release handbrake, wait for bus to roll just enough the speedo picked itself off the stop, hit resume...watch other drivers react with complete befuddlement as this double decker bus catapulted itself off down the road more rapidly than seems physically possible.  Hit the rev limiter at about 55mph, but God it could accelerate.

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Love these videos. Not just for the nostalgia of the buses, liveries and sounds, but for the shite spotting in between.

 

Oddly, talking of the Spectra, my local bus preservation group just got hold of Dundees old one (R2 NEG), so that's been added to their fleet.

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18 hours ago, busmansholiday said:

Spectras generally had DAF engines.

That would make sense, they're engines I'm not so familiar with so would tie in with my being unable to ID it by ear...which I'm usually pretty good at.

Well, save for the last couple of years anyway when everything has wound up sounding like exactly the same tumble drier full of ball bearings.

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On 11/15/2019 at 9:50 PM, busmansholiday said:

Spectras generally had DAF engines.

I thought they all did and the Spectra was the missing link between the Metrobus and DAF's DB250. All recognisable in that the angle drive was between engine and gearbox, not gearbox and driveshaft. Some of the loudest modern buses I've found.

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8 minutes ago, willswitchengage said:

I thought they all did and the Spectra was the missing link between the Metrobus and DAF's DB250. All recognisable in that the angle drive was between engine and gearbox, not gearbox and driveshaft. Some of the loudest modern buses I've found.

As far as I am aware the Spectra prototype was based on the Metrobus

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When MCW went tits up Optare (or Charles H Roe as I remember them in a previous life)  bought the rights to the Metrobus and Metrorider from the receivers.

Yes, the Spectra was DAF engines, but never put your house on "every one".

 

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2 hours ago, Eyersey1234 said:

As far as I am aware the Spectra prototype was based on the Metrobus

Eeh, sort of.

Optare and DAF bought the rights to the Metrobus and Metroliner with the chassis design taken by DAF and the body design by Optare. Included in the deal was the undelivered G107FJW from the batch for West Midlands Travel (this bus was eventually sold on to Ensign and via First was exported to Sri-Lanka where it was converted to semi-auto). After it was pulled apart and rebuilt a few times, a chassis design was drawn up by DAF marrying the rear end of the Metrobus with the front end of the SB220 to come up with the DB250. The new electronically controlled 8 litre six cylinder replaced the loosely Leyland based DKL1160 in this model from the start.

The Body design, thankfully was not copied in any way (as far as I can tell) and was a clean sheet design by Optare. Knowing how MCWs can rot, thank christ for that at least.

As far as I can make out, no part of the Metroliner was used again in future construction by either party (well, not strictly true as the original double deck design was based upon the chassis design of the Hong Kong Metrobuses. The 400GT nor the partially constructed single deck designes were never used again however).

If you look under the rear end of a DB250, it is pure Metrobus, from angle drive to the H frame supporting the double reduction rear axle. That's why they sound (the early ones especially if Voith gearboxed) very much like a Metrobus - as far as driveline is concerned, they were!

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The model railway show was on in Falkirk today and there was a free bus service from Grahamston station. We use this as parking isn't great at the College and a fair walk would ensue. My dad is not very mobile at present so this is ideal.

I havent been on a Y type Leopard for years and this one made all the right noises. Unassisted steering and manual gearbox. A few times the driver came close to standy-up cab manoevering!

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On 11/14/2019 at 10:59 PM, Mrcento said:

Oddly, talking of the Spectra, my local bus preservation group just got hold of Dundees old one (R2 NEG), so that's been added to their fleet.

R1 NEG is at Wythall

R1 & R2 would have been on the no 50 route- City centre to Maypole

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4 hours ago, Pillock said:

These Trippets just appeared on Facebook, apparently Loughborough based. What are they?

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They are Optare Citypacer-bodied Volkswagen LT55s, same 2.4 6-pot diesel as the lowlier LTs and the Volvo 7/940.

Leicester took 15 as their 844-858, registered D844-854 CRY, E855/6 ENR, E857/8 GNR, all with 25 dual purpose seats. I think most passed to Derby City after Leicester.

The Citypacer was a great idea executed badly but it paved the way for proper coach built "second generation" minibuses after the Freight Rover Sherpa, Ford Transit, Bedford CF and the likes of van converted Mercedes 608Ds.

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Ah, the Optare CityPacer, proper bus shite. Great looking things and the first minibuses to break away from the 'bread van' style, but pretty hopeless otherwise by all accounts. Weird high driving position (you can see the dashboard reaching more than halfway up the windscreen), gutless little non-turbo engine and some only had four-speed gearboxes with a stick that was prone to coming off in the driver's hand.

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They weren't the best... a local operator to me were still running them into the 2000s, he swore by them.

He also swore by Renault S56s and his front line coach fleet when he closed were a Plaxton Supreme V-bodied Ford R1015 and an Elme-bodied Leyland Swift so his judgement may have been somewhat off.

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On 11/25/2019 at 8:55 PM, cms206 said:

They weren't the best... a local operator to me were still running them into the 2000s, he swore by them.

He also swore by Renault S56s and his front line coach fleet when he closed were a Plaxton Supreme V-bodied Ford R1015 and an Elme-bodied Leyland Swift so his judgement may have been somewhat off.

An operator local to me was still running Plaxton Supreme bodied Fords and Duple bodied Bedfords up until 2011 when the local council lost patience and told him he had until the end of that academic year to update his fleet otherwise he could kiss goodbye to all his school runs. To be fair the maintenance was fine it was just the age of the vehicles that was the issue. 

Another local operator was also running a large number of 1st generation MCW Metrobuses up until about 5 or 6 years ago, then went moaning to the press about spending £150k upgrading their fleet, which again they had been told they had to do to keep contracts, then losing some of their school runs due to council cuts. The runs in question were not ones the council had to provide by law due to the distance from the school. 

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13 minutes ago, Yoss said:

And that's how you lengthen an RM. Simple as that. Nice BEA RM in front. 

(dragging this over here so no one complains about text in the one shite picture per post thread)

indeed! although sadly that RM was being sectioned for some static display where the customer only wanted the back 25%! IIRC, (the RM people doing it where not happy about it, but its what the customer wanted sadly, so the people doing it made sure to do it so the maximum amount of bits etc could be salvaged from what I understand, so rather then just gas axe it  in half, they carefully deconstructed it)

but it does give a very neat "cross sectional" view of an RM tho :) a few pages back on that thread I also posted the rear view, which also looks quite neat

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indeed tis a very nice RMA in front, BEA1 in fact IIRC :) 

https://www.facebook.com/Routemaster-Restoration-106906932992719/

 

 

 

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On 11/27/2019 at 8:50 PM, clayts450 said:

This should be an interesting project - bloke bought a National for peanuts and is aiming to restore it. He's set up a FB group to chart his progress

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https://www.facebook.com/groups/544975109397506/

Happier times

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LCBS originally I'd guess.

Restoration may be easier than you think, there's going to be shed loads of panels, glass, seats etc available very shortly in a railway scrap yard near me, hopefully.

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55 minutes ago, busmansholiday said:

Restoration may be easier than you think, there's going to be shed loads of panels, glass, seats etc available very shortly in a railway scrap yard near me, hopefully.

And possibly a Cummins LTA10-R to turn it into a RoadPacer

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LCBS originally I'd guess.
Restoration may be easier than you think, there's going to be shed loads of panels, glass, seats etc available very shortly in a railway scrap yard near me, hopefully.
Alder Valley rather than London Country, I believe

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I stumbled across some sort of vintage buses event in Reading today. It looked like they were doing laps of the town centre for punters. I'm pretty sure the Optare still belongs to Reading Buses (I believe the country's last municipal operator?) and every now and then they paint one of their modern fleet members like an E400 in the old livery. No idea what livery the VR is wearing.

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