Vantman Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 Looked initially and thought what a load of horse bo11ocks, but then thought, there's only one company who could have built such a pile of shite. Mann Egerton... 1954 on a rear engined (probably two stoke,) FodenI have just been informed by the chap who sent me the picture the following information---- Bodywork by Crellin Duplex and built by Mann Egerton,1952 Foden rear engine two stroke,operated by Taylors of Bermondsey,this picture was taken in 1964. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inspector Morose Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 NYE 100 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
busmansholiday Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 Goes to show I know shite when I see it. Sadly not preserved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cms206 Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 Bloody hell Andy, no doubt we will see knee jerk reactions by local authorities, typical stable door/horse bolted actionIt's already happened Marty; North Lanarkshire Council introduced a 20-year age limit on school buses following John Duggan's Bova Futura fell into a ditch in Cumbernauld in 2017 injuring 26 kids. At the same time they wrote it into their contracts that any vehicle used on NLC school contracts must be MOT'd TWICE a year, despite all operators having either 28 or 42-day inspection schedules. NLC contracts only last for three years so it's a bit of an outlay. Of course none of that takes into account that John Duggan's Bova was formerly V691 EWB (new 9/99, making it seventeen years and three months old at the time of the crash), nor that the JMB Volvo in the Coatbridge crash is approximately the same age, 'cos apparantly age limits and twice yearly MOTs make school bus travel safer and don't push prices up for already cash strapped local authorities. Tossers. Sent from my SM-G930F using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vantman Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 Goes to show I know shite when I see it. Sadly not preserved. It was in preservation but I am unable to confirm at the moment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quicksilver Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 All my years on the road and I cannot recall ever seeing anything like this-- wiit (3).jpgAs others have said, tis indeed a Crellin-Duplex half-decker. IIRC about a dozen were built in both front and underfloor-engined forms, first by Lincs Trailers and then the rights were taken over by Mann Egerton. One has survived (JVB 908) - I believe it's coming to the end of a very long-term restoration and should turn a few heads when it's done. If you're wondering how the interior works, there's a central corridor with steps up and down into compartments, each with two pairs of seats facing each other and overlapped so the backs of the upper seats are above the fronts of the lower ones. Not exactly step-free easy access, and slow boarding and alighting times killed the idea off. The Old Bloke Next Door and Nicola H 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rml2345 Posted January 19, 2019 Share Posted January 19, 2019 That is a Mann Egerton Crellin-Duplex coach, almost certainly on a Foden of some variety. There's one preserved on a Leyland Tiger which shows the rather bizzare interior layout, intended to pack as many folk as possible in without going for a proper double decker. https://www.flickr.com/photos/stevek59/31693685191/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Felly Magic Posted January 19, 2019 Author Share Posted January 19, 2019 I have actually sat in one of those weird duplex coaches at a tiny bus rally a few years back in Norfolk, and it was bloody weird, and did not look like a pleasant vehicle to travel on. Might have been OK for an overnight service though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
83C Posted January 19, 2019 Share Posted January 19, 2019 Sounds like a very similar idea to the Bulleid 4DDs on the Southern, they too suffered from slow dwell times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LightBulbFun Posted January 25, 2019 Share Posted January 25, 2019 https://www.facebook.com/106906932992719/videos/550144838796350/ sorry for it being facebook but check out the video! how awesome is that? Routemasters cruising 3 wide down the motorway The Old Bloke Next Door, rml2345, Yoss and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
busmansholiday Posted January 25, 2019 Share Posted January 25, 2019 https://www.facebook.com/106906932992719/videos/550144838796350/ sorry for it being facebook but check out the video! how awesome is that? Routemasters cruising 3 wide down the motorway That is fucking ace! Not* that I've ever been involved in anything like that in the late 70's or early 80's involving AEC's finest single deck products.. Love the car undertaking the lot on the hard shoulder near the end. LightBulbFun 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yoss Posted January 25, 2019 Share Posted January 25, 2019 That is superb. Well found. RMA's will cruise at 60 so they may not have been holding up the traffic quite as much as if it was standard RM's. And that guy going up the hard shoulder does so after they've broken formation so I don't know what his problem is. I keep playing that bit back to try and work out what the car is. I'm torn between a Lada and a Fiat 131. LightBulbFun 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LightBulbFun Posted January 25, 2019 Share Posted January 25, 2019 That is superb. Well found. RMA's will cruise at 60 so they may not have been holding up the traffic quite as much as if it was standard RM's. And that guy going up the hard shoulder does so after they've broken formation so I don't know what his problem is. I keep playing that bit back to try and work out what the car is. I'm torn between a Lada and a Fiat 131. Thanks I showed it to my mum who found it very impressive (she very much understands how impressive it is) but also laughed at the holding up the M4 bit, to which I did remind her that RMAs where specced to do 70 I also found it funny how the beetle gets in the middle of it all, then probably suddenly notices he has 3 Routemasters up his chuff, and promptly fucks off (its a shame its on facebook as Facebook being facbook aside, they compress the hell out of videos) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inspector Morose Posted February 4, 2019 Share Posted February 4, 2019 Kicking around Stoke, I stumbled upon this: As heritage liveries go, I think it suits it. rml2345 and cms206 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Felly Magic Posted February 4, 2019 Author Share Posted February 4, 2019 We have an ECOC liveried ALX400 B7TL named after a late driver and enthusiast, it started to look slightly faded, so was dispatched back to Rotherham central works fir a spruce up. This is all Giles Fearnley's idea. He loves heritage and actually has a Keighley and District Lynx from his old Blazefield days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
busmansholiday Posted February 4, 2019 Share Posted February 4, 2019 Interest wording on it, "30 years of private bus operators in The Potteries, 1986 - 2016" Given I remember going to operators like Turner's, Beresford's, Stoniers,and a fair few others in the 1970's, then the truth isn't always what you read. cms206 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gm Posted February 4, 2019 Share Posted February 4, 2019 I happened across Lothian's newest tri-axle toy yesterday I'm not convinced by their claim that it will take 129 cars off the road but to hammer the point home, they had assembled (what I presume to be) 129 cars, creating a particularly lacklustre car show this was the real star attraction Yoss, jumpingjehovahs, clayts450 and 3 others 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LightBulbFun Posted February 5, 2019 Share Posted February 5, 2019 will admit its pretty cool to see a big tri-axle bus like that go into service in the UK I used to read about them on wikipedia and how only places like Hong kong got them, and was saddened we never got any new despite them being made here (twas cool reading about the 1980s ones like the big yellow one on here that got imported back? to the UK ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
busmansholiday Posted February 5, 2019 Share Posted February 5, 2019 ^^^ Stagecoach bought a couple of tri axle Olympians, the Megadecker, back in 1988. One is preserved. It's alright having such things but think of the dwell times at stops. Unless you have some very good off bus ticketing system then you have to increase the running times to accommodate such things. Just imagine 9.30 am when the wombles can use their passes. 129 of them all presenting their passses to the reader. Even at 5 seconds each (shuffle on, present card, wander off to seat), that's assuming they have them ready and don't present their co-op discount card instead, you're stood there a long time. Felly Magic, rml2345, The Old Bloke Next Door and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LightBulbFun Posted February 5, 2019 Share Posted February 5, 2019 ^^^ Stagecoach bought a couple of tri axle Olympians, the Megadecker, back in 1988. One is preserved. It's alright having such things but think of the dwell times at stops. Unless you have some very good off bus ticketing system then you have to increase the running times to accommodate such things. Just imagine 9.30 am when the wombles can use their passes. 129 of them all presenting their passses to the reader. Even at 5 seconds each (shuffle on, present card, wander off to seat), that's assuming they have them ready and don't present their co-op discount card instead, you're stood there a long time. oh very cool I was not aware of that one but yeah good point on the dwell time, I know its one of the things that kept the Routemaster going in Central London for a long time (I wonder how they dealt with the dwell times in hong kong or if they just didn't care?) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
martc Posted February 5, 2019 Share Posted February 5, 2019 Kicking around Stoke, I stumbled upon this: As heritage liveries go, I think it suits it. Surely it's a 'period' livery? (Ducks, avoids thrown crockery) bolognasal spray, Pillock, Momentary Lapse Of Reason and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sierraman Posted February 5, 2019 Share Posted February 5, 2019 TM travel now have an ex MASS tri axle Dennis on the school routes, looks low floor so presumably that’s why it was saved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Felly Magic Posted February 5, 2019 Author Share Posted February 5, 2019 First have announced more offloading of operations in the North West as it is losing money big style Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghosty Posted February 5, 2019 Share Posted February 5, 2019 Is this about Manchester? I'd welcome that, the drivers are cunts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
willswitchengage Posted February 5, 2019 Share Posted February 5, 2019 Interesting engine orientation on that massive Volvo thing - same as the E500 I believe. Offset longitudinal arrangement that you sit on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
busmansholiday Posted February 5, 2019 Share Posted February 5, 2019 Like the original B7L, the single deck with the shower cubicle at the back in the UK. Designed for those countries that drive on the wrong side of the road and where three doors, one at the very back are common. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
busmansholiday Posted February 5, 2019 Share Posted February 5, 2019 oh very cool I was not aware of that one but yeah good point on the dwell time, I know its one of the things that kept the Routemaster going in Central London for a long time (I wonder how they dealt with the dwell times in hong kong or if they just didn't care?)Toured the Far East a couple of times in the mid to late 90's. Queues at bus stops?, Since when has anybody but the British queued?. Conductors were employed to collect fares, works out cheaper with packed buses and fare dodgers. One man had single width doors on a fair few vehicles. Dwell times, eh, traffic is slow enough anyway. The reason they had night services was because it was cheaper to run buses than try and find storage space that was only required at night time. LightBulbFun 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
busmansholiday Posted February 5, 2019 Share Posted February 5, 2019 TM travel now have an ex MASS tri axle Dennis on the school routes, looks low floor so presumably that’s why it was saved.TM have two of them. They were new to First Glasgow but only on lease from Volvo, hence when withdrawn they were sold not scrapped.They are B7Ls, so sideways engine, n/s/r and generally low floor. Bought them mainly for schools but also get used in normal service at times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tooSavvy Posted February 6, 2019 Share Posted February 6, 2019 Well well well.... 'Up the Chaii!' *Chichester bus depot, South Shields. Economic was a small, family concern running between Sunderland and South Shields for donkeys years.. They ran along the coast road [and the end of my street, as a yungg un] Never had double deckers during their 'independence' as the depot, just south of Seaburn, had a low door/roof.http://www.marsdenbannergroup.btck.co.uk/EconomicBusService Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justin Case Posted February 6, 2019 Share Posted February 6, 2019 Well, bus shite turns up in the most unlikely places. This afternoon I was watching happened to be in the room when the 'Four O'clock Club' came on CBBC (for some inexplicable reason on at Five O'clock ? ) and the school bus was yes a blue LDV Convoy Nice to see the Beeb spending our money wisely* somewhatfoolish 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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