Cavcraft Posted November 8, 2011 Share Posted November 8, 2011 Argghhhh, you've started me off on another one now. Golf Mk1: dull as anything, not very well made, rusty and surely the most over-rated car of ever? Golf Mk2: Same as above yet more bloated and even more bland. Golf Mk3: Why, oh why does anyone rave about them? Even morer bloated, hopelessly and incredibly dull, rust like Lord knows what, shit interior, shit looks and shit to drive. All following Golfs: (mostly) wanker chariots (mostly) driven by people who fell for the hype and think they have the greatest car in the world when very obviously they don't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete-M Posted November 8, 2011 Share Posted November 8, 2011 I think if you're gonna have a Mk1 or Mk2 Golf it has to be the GTi. I've had a few Mk2 GTis and they're not bad cars if you get a good one. My last Mk2 I had for almost a year (admittedly I built a bitsa 2.0 8v lump for it) and it was a cracking little thing. The last Mk1 I had was an immaculate GTi. It was amusingly quick and handled ok but the brakes. Jeeeeezus they were abysmal on it. You're right about the fabled build quality being a load of bollocks though. Mk3/4/5/6/7 Golfs are nowhere near as good as people say they are, but the 2.0 TDi lump in new ones works well in the Superb / Octavia, so it can't be all that bad in a Golf. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cort16 Posted November 8, 2011 Share Posted November 8, 2011 Mk4 Astra's The outside is dull, the inside is dull and it's dull to drive. It's the automotive equivalent of an own brand washing machine and the kind of car someone who doesn't like cars bought from a car supermarket because they like the colour. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete-M Posted November 8, 2011 Share Posted November 8, 2011 Astra's The outside is dull, the inside is dull and it's dull to drive. It's the automotive equivalent of an own brand washing machine and the kind of car someone who doesn't like cars bought from a car supermarket because they like the colour. EFA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Negative Creep Posted November 8, 2011 Share Posted November 8, 2011 The Maxi - it just looks shit. Not in an ironic so-bad-it's-good way, just plain shit. Its the 5 Series GT of the 1970s Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timewaster Posted November 8, 2011 Share Posted November 8, 2011 They always remind me of this:Biddy Biddy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete-M Posted November 8, 2011 Share Posted November 8, 2011 These. Oh, and a billion "Things you don't like" threads. FFS, lets have some fun in here folks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cavcraft Posted November 8, 2011 Share Posted November 8, 2011 Mk4 Astra's The outside is dull, the inside is dull and it's dull to drive. It's the automotive equivalent of an own brand washing machine and the kind of car someone who doesn't like cars bought from a car supermarket because they like the colour. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoadworkUK Posted November 8, 2011 Share Posted November 8, 2011 Oh dear, where do I start.... BMW E46 Coupe - Vile peices of shit mostly driven by prententious angry little office boys who think they are above everyone. These particular BMWs seem to be void of anything resembling 'handling' gearchange is like a stick in dried mud as is pick up. Jaguar XJ8/R Sport - Never liked these after testing a couple of them that came to our garage. Ride wasnt that good and the interior just seemed really cheap. Rover 800 Vitesse Turbo/Sport - I've never really got the point of these. The ride is harsh, the suspension set up is a joke and 17' alloys they are often found sitting on just look desperate, they kind of remind of an old man in a neat tuxedo/suit shod with trainers and a baseball cap trying to act cool. Subaru Impratza - Often seen driven by wannabe gangsters/council estate kings/Essex Police. Drove one that we had in. Very quick but - crap ride, cheap interior, not wonderfully interesting to look at. All of these are my own opinion. Oh yeh, and I think there was a similar thread here With you all the way on the Vitty and Superpoo ImpressHer, but can't agree with you on the E46. Still, meat, poison etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cobblers Posted November 8, 2011 Share Posted November 8, 2011 Mk4 Astra'sThe outside is dull, the inside is dull and it's dull to drive. It's the automotive equivalent of an own brand washing machine and the kind of car someone who doesn't like cars bought from a car supermarket because they like the colour. While normal mk4 Astras are PROPER awful, barried up ones suggest a level of cluelessness almost unchallenged by the owners of other motors. At least (some) Saxos are fast, cheap and handle well. What have Mk4 Astras got? The mongs are steadily moving onto 5 door mk5 astras now (which look awful but I've not driven one to entitle me to slate it), with bubbly window tint straight over the carcraft sticker and remnants of the spec sheet from the finance repo auction still on the windscreen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaykanHunter Posted November 8, 2011 Author Share Posted November 8, 2011 These.NOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!...... I said you are not allowed to smear my beloved Arrow Series in this Thread!... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stormee Posted November 8, 2011 Share Posted November 8, 2011 I think if you're gonna have a Mk1 or Mk2 Golf it has to be the GTi. I've had a few Mk2 GTis and they're not bad cars if you get a good one. My last Mk2 I had for almost a year (admittedly I built a bitsa 2.0 8v lump for it) and it was a cracking little thing. The last Mk1 I had was an immaculate GTi. It was amusingly quick and handled ok but the brakes. Jeeeeezus they were abysmal on it. You're right about the fabled build quality being a load of bollocks though. Mk3/4/5/6/7 Golfs are nowhere near as good as people say they are, but the 2.0 TDi lump in new ones works well in the Superb / Octavia, so it can't be all that bad in a Golf. Regarding Golf GTI brakes: Only the RHD brakes are crap due to multiple linkage, LHD brakes are more than fine. Same goes for Sciroccos as well. Mk1 Golf and Scirocco GTIs are a real fun to drive! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fiatdaft Posted November 8, 2011 Share Posted November 8, 2011 Regarding the bitsa 2.0 golf,i used an aad bottom end from a later audi 100 auto,with the original k-jet head ,it went well,decent bottom and mid range grunt but was allover by 6000 rpm,blew the gti box and replacedit with a 4+e boxfrom a 1.6 driver,great car,would have another k-jet ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete-M Posted November 8, 2011 Share Posted November 8, 2011 Regarding the bitsa 2.0 golf,i used an aad bottom end from a later audi 100 auto,with the original k-jet head ,it went well,decent bottom and mid range grunt but was allover by 6000 rpm,blew the gti box and replacedit with a 4+e boxfrom a 1.6 driver,great car,would have another k-jet ! Mine had an AGG block with the digipants head. Was much nicer to drive, could leave it in fifth for overtaking instead of having to drop a gear or two, and the avg MPG went from 35 to 40ish - which was an unexpected bonus. This was the last Mk1 I had. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
morris_ital_lover Posted November 8, 2011 Share Posted November 8, 2011 Mk3/4/5/6/7 Golfs are nowhere near as good as people say they are, but the 2.0 TDi lump in new ones works well in the Superb / Octavia, so it can't be all that bad in a Golf. This is true on both accounts. My parents ran an old MK3 Golf, it was a pile of poo costant problems with the electric windows and all round iffy build quality and it looked awful (avec rotting sills) when it went 6 years after they bought it. They replaced it with a last of the line mk4 golf tdi and it is still serving them well apart from the local VW garage (now binned for local VW specialist) saying any problems on the car were based around the fuel pump despite it was never the issue. So basically they aren't bad in diesel form. Incidently they had a MK2 Golf that they said was an awful car. Personally I don't get all the VW hype ATM, apart from brand snobbishness why would you buy a VW over a skoda? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Felly Magic Posted November 9, 2011 Share Posted November 9, 2011 The Datsun Stanza is a horrid car. So bland & dreary to look at, and a exciting as wallpaper paste. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MK5 Escort Posted November 9, 2011 Share Posted November 9, 2011 Glad to see I'm not the only one who isn’t fond of the original Mini. I've never actually owned one but have experienced several in the past. A close cousin of mine near Buckley owned a black 70’s T plate one about 14/15 years ago. Vile BL orange and brown draylon interior that smelt like a long abandoned 1950’s steam train carriage. It was slow, unbelievably noisy and jarring. It had overheating issues, it leaked and the floorpan from what I could see was made almost entirely out of rust. I didn’t find it particularly 'exciting' at all . The only saving grace I could see from it was a decent turning circle. He tried patching it up the best he could and he scraped it through it’s MOT as he couldn’t afford to buy anything else, but it just continued to crumble in other places so his parents had to loan him money to get shut of it. He then bought a G reg Maestro Van, ex-British Gas, that he had for years. The Mk3 Golf as already listed. What the hell happened there? Poorly built, specced like something you’d expect from a car a decade earlier, overpriced, heavy to drive without PAS, unsupportive front seats, not particularly practical (spare tyre eats into the boot floor) and sluggish in most guises. The K plate 1.4CL we had went wrong right from day one. The aerial snapped off… Day two, the glovebox lid handle snapped off (one of several we went though as it happens)… All Ford Focus'es. I know countless people toss off over them as something spectacular, a car that beats everything else known to man , but it's always been a car that's left me feeling completely cold. Sure, they drive well and it's something that's constantly hammered into anyone who dares to look at a rival. However, I don't see anything else that it does particularly well. The original Focus had a cheap feeling interior and the front seats always left me with lower backache. Then we have the looks of the thing. I didn't like them in 1998 and sorry, I still don't like them now – particularly the saloon, or 'the wedge' as I like to call it. The second Focus, the boring looking one, is instantly forgettable. I found the interior surprisingly cramped considering it's external dimensions and again, the front seats left me with lower backache after about three quarters of an hour at the wheel. It must be a modern Ford thing, I dunno… Rear visibility, particularly on the hatchback, was woeful. To be fair I've yet to actually drive the latest version – the one with the huge, weird triangle, jowly things in the front bumper. It would be unfair to comment on that front until such time. I suppose there is one good thing about it - at least the rear lights on the hatchback aren't up on the roof any more… Any Bangle-era BMW. Infact, I’m not fond of those slab-fronted, stretched van-like front ends on the latest 1, 5 and 7 Series to be honest. No doubt all to do with new 'pedestrian safety' rubbish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ashmicro Posted November 9, 2011 Share Posted November 9, 2011 I've had a radical idea regarding pedestrian safety: Yes, Darth Vader says "Look where you're fucking going!" Honestly, people these days are mongs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Felly Magic Posted November 9, 2011 Share Posted November 9, 2011 They should have released the full 'Ooo arrr' version of Star Wars. Dave's accent would have cracked me up! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProgRocker Posted November 9, 2011 Share Posted November 9, 2011 The ones I have a real dislike for are some family hatchback cars from the mid-late 1970s. Car makers have seen the svelte looking VW Golf from 1974 as a real threat and came up with lardier versions of it with overly thick C pillars and ugly front ends to compete against. They include: Renault 14 (apologies to the_organist and anyone else who has one - but I do like the Renault 12 and 16)Talbot Horizon (my parents had one of these POS)original Vauxhall Astraoriginal Mazda 323...and the mark 2 version as well. At least Ford didn't make the same mistake. The mark 3 Escort from 1980 looked much better than these, imho. Probably why it sold well. Even when VW replaced the slim mark 1 Golf with the chunkier looking mark 2 in 1983, they were clever enough not to make it look naff as the above. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaykanHunter Posted November 9, 2011 Author Share Posted November 9, 2011 Argghhhh, you've started me off on another one now.Golf Mk1: dull as anything, not very well made, rusty and surely the most over-rated car of ever?I respectfully disagree with you here!... Golf Mk.I was a Guigiaro/ItalDesign concept from 1971. Golf was the first car to use Guigiaro's genius concept of "clamshell tailgate" which has been copied on pretty well every hatchback and wagon designed ever since. Moreover the Golf Mk.I GTI of 1976 created the whole "hot hatchback" niche of compact and practical fast cars. So in my view it looks great, cause it is beautifully proportioned, and it made an impact in the industry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cavcraft Posted November 9, 2011 Share Posted November 9, 2011 Unfortunately trumped by the original hot hatch: Austin Maxi HLS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eddyramrod Posted November 9, 2011 Share Posted November 9, 2011 1971. Golf was the first car to use Guigiaro's genius concept of "clamshell tailgate" Ahem.1959 Austin, by Pininfarina. And I've got one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j-j Posted November 9, 2011 Share Posted November 9, 2011 not to mention in 1939.. ..can haz hatchbax Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dollywobbler Posted November 9, 2011 Share Posted November 9, 2011 Simca 1100 already had a hatchback in the 1960s too. Renault 16 as well. Even Aston Martin (with the DB2/4) got in on the hatchback act! The Golf concept may date from 1971, but it didn't make production until 1974, by which time the Fiat 127 and Renault 5 were already established on the marked (both 1972 in hatchback form). Ok, they're both a bit smaller and arguably started the supermini category, but there was a fair overlap in engine sizes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eddyramrod Posted November 9, 2011 Share Posted November 9, 2011 The difference is, I've had a 127 and would have another. No experience of the Renault, but I have driven Golfs, and have never felt any reluctance handing them back. Meanwhile, shite I can't stand? Have one of these...Not her, the so-called car. I can't think of anything that could redeem these. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CIH Posted November 9, 2011 Share Posted November 9, 2011 Mk4 Astra's The outside is dull, the inside is dull and it's dull to drive. It's the automotive equivalent of an own brand washing machine and the kind of car someone who doesn't like cars bought from a car supermarket because they like the colour. Nowt wrong with these. A work mate has one and we have another one as a hack at work and they've both been brilliant simple transport. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaykanHunter Posted November 10, 2011 Author Share Posted November 10, 2011 ok... maybe I didn't explain it correctly, what I meant by the GOLF MKI hatch door was that the cut-line is actually on the side view, and therefore in the rear-view you don't see any cut-line at all, which was the first ever, I do not believe you can find any other car with that cut-line scenario before Golf MKI. VW Golf MKI 1976 by jenskramer, on Flickr Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonedepear Posted November 10, 2011 Share Posted November 10, 2011 Mk1 Passat hatch was a year before the golf? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 10, 2011 Share Posted November 10, 2011 The difference is, I've had a 127 and would have another. No experience of the Renault, but I have driven Golfs, and have never felt any reluctance handing them back. Meanwhile, shite I can't stand? Have one of these...Not her, the so-called car. I can't think of anything that could redeem these. Random snippet - 'my' Renault 10 which was 'scrapped' was HHT 79D. It wasn't scrapped, it was sold on by the landlord, watanabe_father's supposed 'mate'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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