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    Formula Autos got a reaction from bunglebus in Automotive bull5hit facts thread   
    The Asquith, a Ford Transit derived “retro” van from the early ‘80s was originally a movie prop, designed for a reboot of the “Confessions of” series of films which was to be called “Confessions of a Kit Car Builder”. The proposed star of the film, Robin Asquith, reprising earlier roles, stipulated the name of the vehicle in his contract. Although the film never materialised, canny old Robin received royalties on every Asquith produced. 
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    Formula Autos got a reaction from somewhatfoolish in Cars you didn't know existed until very recently.   
    With what looked like (from the way the programme was edited at least) an unfixed chemical loo plonked in the back corner, allowing the Strawbridges to take a dump in full view of the other occupants of the camper van (and anyone passing, due to the windows) right next to their cooking facilities. Classy! 
     
    Also, for all of Angel/Angela’s insistence on everything being “vintage” she seemed very accepting of what is very obviously an ‘80s pastiche of a vintage van. 
     
    Anyway, back to obscure cars ......
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    Formula Autos got a reaction from JeeExEll in Automotive bull5hit facts thread   
    The Asquith, a Ford Transit derived “retro” van from the early ‘80s was originally a movie prop, designed for a reboot of the “Confessions of” series of films which was to be called “Confessions of a Kit Car Builder”. The proposed star of the film, Robin Asquith, reprising earlier roles, stipulated the name of the vehicle in his contract. Although the film never materialised, canny old Robin received royalties on every Asquith produced. 
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    Formula Autos got a reaction from georgeinabz in Automotive bull5hit facts thread   
    Vanden Plas magazine was banned in the UK due to its extreme content.
    Often involving much leather and wood.
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    Formula Autos got a reaction from ProgRocker in Automotive bull5hit facts thread   
    Vanden Plas magazine was banned in the UK due to its extreme content.
    Often involving much leather and wood.
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    Formula Autos got a reaction from tooSavvy in 80’s and 90’s stuff that was unsalable   
    My Uncle got stuck in a situation where he could only justify buying another nearly-new Toyota off the local main dealer's lot time and again in the '80s. No other dealer would offer him a decent part-ex on his current one. "Japanese, innit mate?Nobody wants 'em."
     
    Eventually he bit the bullet, took a hit on a part-ex for his Corolla, and "upgraded" to a Mk3 Escort Laser.
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    Formula Autos reacted to mk2_craig in Moving forward. Please read.   
    I don't really care what happens in terms of additional sub categories or whatever, as long as someone can change the capital S in AutoShite back to lower case, thanks.
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    Formula Autos got a reaction from somewhatfoolish in Cars you didn't know existed until very recently.   
    I saw one of these at a car show once and was talking to the owner about it. He loved the thing, but said getting parts was interesting - they were often available, but you had to figure out where you recognised some of them from if they didn't have any makers' marks on them. The grille on his, for instance, always struck him as being slightly familiar. I think he said he'd owned it a few years before he realised it was a Vauxhall Senator grille, fitted upside down.
     
    The rear lights were off another Vauxhall I think as well, and the alloys on his were the same as the one in the photo posted here. IIRC I think he said they were off a rear engined Skoda, of all things.
     
    I got the impression it was a kind of Scrapheap Challenge version of an Elan. Though none the worse for it, he reckoned.
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    Formula Autos got a reaction from Shep Shepherd in Undesirable specs   
    A good few years ago I experienced first hand how difficult base spec can make selling a car. Especially a "premium" one, as this one was.
     
    A neighbour in the cul-de-sac where I lived was trying to sell his F reg black 2 door E30 BMW 316i. His half-arsed attempts st selling it extended no further than telling anyone he met that he was selling it, and putting a for sale sign in the rear side window (on the drivers' side, so rarely seen by pedestrians either). Which meant the sign was only really seen outside his house, in the works car park, and at the petrol station. He didn't go anywhere else much. I thought this was why he'd struggled to sell it. So I low balled him, and got it for a good price. He was happy to let it go as it was an on-cost taxing and insuring it, and he preferred his short commute to work on the motorbike he'd bought to replace it. He did tell me though that anyone who came to look at it commented on how basic it was.
     
    It had no front headrests, an ancient Pye radio robbed out of his previous Cavalier, keep fit windows, and was a bit grubby. There were daft (but easily fixable) issues like number plates that needed renewed as well. Plus (and perhaps most crucial of all?) it had the 316i badge on the boot lid.
     
    A quick spruce up job from the scrappy, where I got a set of bottle top alloys, a pair of matching headrests, and a Blaupunkt radio cassette from a 5 series they had in made it look instantly better. Though I forgot to buy the plastic bits with holes in that also had to replace the blanking plugs currently in the top of the seats. So I had to go back to that scrappy again, and they stung me for these bits. Plus a bit of scrapyard raiding when I took it on holiday to Scotland yielded another black boot lid (a de-badged one at that) with a small colour coded spoiler, some front fogs, and a couple of genuine OEM speakers for the rear.
     
    I also got lucky in that scrappy and found an M Sport gearknob in a crashed 6 series, that screwed right on in seconds.
     
    With all that on it, a good clean up, some plush carpet mats, and a decent advert in Autotrader it sold no bother for a tidy profit.
     
    It drove exactly the same as it ever did, but now it looked like it could have been a 325i or something. I mentioned all the extras I'd fitted in the advert, and got plenty of interest.
     
    The neighbour I bought it off even considered buying it back off me, given how smart it looked. Though he knew what I'd paid him, so offered me less than others did.
     
    So from base spec in looks to top spec, and no bother selling it once that was done.
     
    Mind you, this was in '99. Those looking to impress their neighbours now would just go and get a brand new 325i on PCP or something.
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    Formula Autos got a reaction from ProgRocker in Undesirable specs   
    A good few years ago I experienced first hand how difficult base spec can make selling a car. Especially a "premium" one, as this one was.
     
    A neighbour in the cul-de-sac where I lived was trying to sell his F reg black 2 door E30 BMW 316i. His half-arsed attempts st selling it extended no further than telling anyone he met that he was selling it, and putting a for sale sign in the rear side window (on the drivers' side, so rarely seen by pedestrians either). Which meant the sign was only really seen outside his house, in the works car park, and at the petrol station. He didn't go anywhere else much. I thought this was why he'd struggled to sell it. So I low balled him, and got it for a good price. He was happy to let it go as it was an on-cost taxing and insuring it, and he preferred his short commute to work on the motorbike he'd bought to replace it. He did tell me though that anyone who came to look at it commented on how basic it was.
     
    It had no front headrests, an ancient Pye radio robbed out of his previous Cavalier, keep fit windows, and was a bit grubby. There were daft (but easily fixable) issues like number plates that needed renewed as well. Plus (and perhaps most crucial of all?) it had the 316i badge on the boot lid.
     
    A quick spruce up job from the scrappy, where I got a set of bottle top alloys, a pair of matching headrests, and a Blaupunkt radio cassette from a 5 series they had in made it look instantly better. Though I forgot to buy the plastic bits with holes in that also had to replace the blanking plugs currently in the top of the seats. So I had to go back to that scrappy again, and they stung me for these bits. Plus a bit of scrapyard raiding when I took it on holiday to Scotland yielded another black boot lid (a de-badged one at that) with a small colour coded spoiler, some front fogs, and a couple of genuine OEM speakers for the rear.
     
    I also got lucky in that scrappy and found an M Sport gearknob in a crashed 6 series, that screwed right on in seconds.
     
    With all that on it, a good clean up, some plush carpet mats, and a decent advert in Autotrader it sold no bother for a tidy profit.
     
    It drove exactly the same as it ever did, but now it looked like it could have been a 325i or something. I mentioned all the extras I'd fitted in the advert, and got plenty of interest.
     
    The neighbour I bought it off even considered buying it back off me, given how smart it looked. Though he knew what I'd paid him, so offered me less than others did.
     
    So from base spec in looks to top spec, and no bother selling it once that was done.
     
    Mind you, this was in '99. Those looking to impress their neighbours now would just go and get a brand new 325i on PCP or something.
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    Formula Autos got a reaction from RayMK in Cars you didn't know existed until very recently.   
    I saw one of these at a car show once and was talking to the owner about it. He loved the thing, but said getting parts was interesting - they were often available, but you had to figure out where you recognised some of them from if they didn't have any makers' marks on them. The grille on his, for instance, always struck him as being slightly familiar. I think he said he'd owned it a few years before he realised it was a Vauxhall Senator grille, fitted upside down.
     
    The rear lights were off another Vauxhall I think as well, and the alloys on his were the same as the one in the photo posted here. IIRC I think he said they were off a rear engined Skoda, of all things.
     
    I got the impression it was a kind of Scrapheap Challenge version of an Elan. Though none the worse for it, he reckoned.
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    Formula Autos got a reaction from Bfg in Cars you didn't know existed until very recently.   
    I saw one of these at a car show once and was talking to the owner about it. He loved the thing, but said getting parts was interesting - they were often available, but you had to figure out where you recognised some of them from if they didn't have any makers' marks on them. The grille on his, for instance, always struck him as being slightly familiar. I think he said he'd owned it a few years before he realised it was a Vauxhall Senator grille, fitted upside down.
     
    The rear lights were off another Vauxhall I think as well, and the alloys on his were the same as the one in the photo posted here. IIRC I think he said they were off a rear engined Skoda, of all things.
     
    I got the impression it was a kind of Scrapheap Challenge version of an Elan. Though none the worse for it, he reckoned.
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    Formula Autos got a reaction from Cardinal Wolseley in Undesirable specs   
    A good few years ago I experienced first hand how difficult base spec can make selling a car. Especially a "premium" one, as this one was.
     
    A neighbour in the cul-de-sac where I lived was trying to sell his F reg black 2 door E30 BMW 316i. His half-arsed attempts st selling it extended no further than telling anyone he met that he was selling it, and putting a for sale sign in the rear side window (on the drivers' side, so rarely seen by pedestrians either). Which meant the sign was only really seen outside his house, in the works car park, and at the petrol station. He didn't go anywhere else much. I thought this was why he'd struggled to sell it. So I low balled him, and got it for a good price. He was happy to let it go as it was an on-cost taxing and insuring it, and he preferred his short commute to work on the motorbike he'd bought to replace it. He did tell me though that anyone who came to look at it commented on how basic it was.
     
    It had no front headrests, an ancient Pye radio robbed out of his previous Cavalier, keep fit windows, and was a bit grubby. There were daft (but easily fixable) issues like number plates that needed renewed as well. Plus (and perhaps most crucial of all?) it had the 316i badge on the boot lid.
     
    A quick spruce up job from the scrappy, where I got a set of bottle top alloys, a pair of matching headrests, and a Blaupunkt radio cassette from a 5 series they had in made it look instantly better. Though I forgot to buy the plastic bits with holes in that also had to replace the blanking plugs currently in the top of the seats. So I had to go back to that scrappy again, and they stung me for these bits. Plus a bit of scrapyard raiding when I took it on holiday to Scotland yielded another black boot lid (a de-badged one at that) with a small colour coded spoiler, some front fogs, and a couple of genuine OEM speakers for the rear.
     
    I also got lucky in that scrappy and found an M Sport gearknob in a crashed 6 series, that screwed right on in seconds.
     
    With all that on it, a good clean up, some plush carpet mats, and a decent advert in Autotrader it sold no bother for a tidy profit.
     
    It drove exactly the same as it ever did, but now it looked like it could have been a 325i or something. I mentioned all the extras I'd fitted in the advert, and got plenty of interest.
     
    The neighbour I bought it off even considered buying it back off me, given how smart it looked. Though he knew what I'd paid him, so offered me less than others did.
     
    So from base spec in looks to top spec, and no bother selling it once that was done.
     
    Mind you, this was in '99. Those looking to impress their neighbours now would just go and get a brand new 325i on PCP or something.
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    Formula Autos got a reaction from cros in Cars you didn't know existed until very recently.   
    I saw one of these at a car show once and was talking to the owner about it. He loved the thing, but said getting parts was interesting - they were often available, but you had to figure out where you recognised some of them from if they didn't have any makers' marks on them. The grille on his, for instance, always struck him as being slightly familiar. I think he said he'd owned it a few years before he realised it was a Vauxhall Senator grille, fitted upside down.
     
    The rear lights were off another Vauxhall I think as well, and the alloys on his were the same as the one in the photo posted here. IIRC I think he said they were off a rear engined Skoda, of all things.
     
    I got the impression it was a kind of Scrapheap Challenge version of an Elan. Though none the worse for it, he reckoned.
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    Formula Autos got a reaction from Datsuncog in Undesirable specs   
    A good few years ago I experienced first hand how difficult base spec can make selling a car. Especially a "premium" one, as this one was.
     
    A neighbour in the cul-de-sac where I lived was trying to sell his F reg black 2 door E30 BMW 316i. His half-arsed attempts st selling it extended no further than telling anyone he met that he was selling it, and putting a for sale sign in the rear side window (on the drivers' side, so rarely seen by pedestrians either). Which meant the sign was only really seen outside his house, in the works car park, and at the petrol station. He didn't go anywhere else much. I thought this was why he'd struggled to sell it. So I low balled him, and got it for a good price. He was happy to let it go as it was an on-cost taxing and insuring it, and he preferred his short commute to work on the motorbike he'd bought to replace it. He did tell me though that anyone who came to look at it commented on how basic it was.
     
    It had no front headrests, an ancient Pye radio robbed out of his previous Cavalier, keep fit windows, and was a bit grubby. There were daft (but easily fixable) issues like number plates that needed renewed as well. Plus (and perhaps most crucial of all?) it had the 316i badge on the boot lid.
     
    A quick spruce up job from the scrappy, where I got a set of bottle top alloys, a pair of matching headrests, and a Blaupunkt radio cassette from a 5 series they had in made it look instantly better. Though I forgot to buy the plastic bits with holes in that also had to replace the blanking plugs currently in the top of the seats. So I had to go back to that scrappy again, and they stung me for these bits. Plus a bit of scrapyard raiding when I took it on holiday to Scotland yielded another black boot lid (a de-badged one at that) with a small colour coded spoiler, some front fogs, and a couple of genuine OEM speakers for the rear.
     
    I also got lucky in that scrappy and found an M Sport gearknob in a crashed 6 series, that screwed right on in seconds.
     
    With all that on it, a good clean up, some plush carpet mats, and a decent advert in Autotrader it sold no bother for a tidy profit.
     
    It drove exactly the same as it ever did, but now it looked like it could have been a 325i or something. I mentioned all the extras I'd fitted in the advert, and got plenty of interest.
     
    The neighbour I bought it off even considered buying it back off me, given how smart it looked. Though he knew what I'd paid him, so offered me less than others did.
     
    So from base spec in looks to top spec, and no bother selling it once that was done.
     
    Mind you, this was in '99. Those looking to impress their neighbours now would just go and get a brand new 325i on PCP or something.
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    Formula Autos got a reaction from binhoker668 in No such thing as a cheap car   
    You're going to have to find something very unfashionable in order for it to be in good shape at that price.
     
    Saloons are a happy hunting ground, as if there's a choice (and there always is with mass produced cars at this price) people will always try to gravitate towards hatches or estates. If you just need something to park your arse in and get it from point A to point B, then a saloon is no problem, and actually likely to be a quieter (and thus more pleasant) form of motoring.
     
    So how about going for something that's only ever in demand as an estate in later life? Such as a big Volvo (850 or 700/900, for instance). 200 notes might even buy you a well cared for example if you look hard enough, simply because it's not an estate, and most people won't even go and look at it. No doubt it'll be a bit 'juicy', but ....
     
    If you're hard hearted about it, you can always bin it later and get more at the scrappy than for most other saloons.
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    Formula Autos got a reaction from Lord Sterling in Things in car adverts that make you go "Oh F*** Off"   
    An alternative reason for aircon re-gassing being needed is often gifferness. Scary "new-fangled" things in cars like air-con and stereos are often left stubbornly untouched during giffer ownership. The only "new-fangled" thing some choose to master is electric windows, and only then due to necessity.
     
    Why do these people go into dealerships and buy anything other than a povvo-spec car? Badge snobbery is my guess. They're not impressed themselves with all the toys that a Ghia (or insert equivalent non FoMoCo alternative) has, but the badge, coloured bumpers, and alloy wheels should impress the neighbours. Which is the whole point for them.
     
    I'd love to run a new car dealership offering covert "magpie" editions of new cars, with fancy paint jobs, alloy wheels, tinted windows, and a povvo-spec interior with keep-fit windows and sod-all equipment. The giffers would lap them up, and kid themselves that their neighbours are still impressed.
     
    Anyhow, I digress. One thing in adverts that really pisses me off is "valuable numberplate". Sell it seperately then, D46 JOE. I'm not called Joe, or even D46, and couldn't give a shit about it. It's hassle I could do without; cocking about getting the DVLA to change the plate back to its original one. You are a lazy bastard, Mr D46 JOE. Sort it out yourself.
     
    Another thing that boils my piss is modern advert music. This isn't just confined to car adverts, mind. It all follows a simple formula:
    Take a well known song. It should be from the right era for the target demographic you're trying to hawk your shit to. Something they would have in their record collection. Re-arrange said song, so that it's still recognizable, but much slower. Ideally it should be an acoustic version. Find a reedy voiced individual to perform said song. Ideally they should sound like someone who has decided, due to insanity, to sing this song whilst hiding in an attic from the Nazis who are searching the floor below, but somehow reatains enough common sense to sing it at a volume that prevents discovery. Preferably they should be female. Now this has been pointed out, I guarantee you that you will notice this formula in action during every ad-break at primetime on ITV.
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    Formula Autos got a reaction from Lord Sterling in What car are you?   
    The only picture of it appeared in Auto Trader in about June 2001. 
    I bought the ex Mayoral Rover off the Local Authority where I work. It was a P reg, and had just racked up a big bill for brakes, tyres, and a battery. So, just consumables then. But the accounts department got scared and suggested a change of car.
     
    No service history, so I negotiated hard. The bloke in charge of selling it said no to my offer. Only advertised on the staff intranet, so no-one else was interested, and he came back to me a week later inviting me to put in a sealed bid. By which time I'd gone off the idea of pursuing the car, so I put an even lower amount in as a bid.
     
    I was the only bidder, so it was mine.
     
    The Council's garage were responsible for its upkeep so I rang them to see what history, if any, they had on the car. The bloke in charge of selling it obviously hadn't thought of this. I was invited to pop round and collect " the file". Which was chock full of checklists from every time the car was inspected by them ( which was every time it was about to go on a long journey by the looks of it), every receipt, and a fully stamped up service book. Stamped by the local Rover dealers, and every 5,000 miles or so at that.
     
    Result!
     
    I used it a bit and got it tidied up over the next few weeks and stuck it in AutoTrader. The phone rang off the hook all day when I was out at work, and my Mother (who stayed in to answer the phone for me) reckons there were at least four people wanting it sight unseen when she mentioned "the file".
     
    The only drawbacks? High mileage, DieYoung Ditchfinders all round ( which squealed when cornering above sedate pace), and a small hole above the centre of the windscreen where I filled in the mounting point for the Council's crest with a blanking grommet (of the type boy racers use to fill in the holes left when they take off their back wipers).
     
    "The file" contained something from the dealer's about it being a special order with the (small) engine it had for the spec, and about how they'd done the hole for the crest free of charge after it was PDI'd. I think it might have been Sterling spec. High up in the range, at least. It was un or de-badged though, so the spec was uncertain.
     
    IIRC I made any easy £1600 profit.
     
    T'was black, on a P plate, with a grey leather interior. I sold it to a guy who came down from Dumfries for the full asking price. I think he may have had a limo company.
     
    17 years on, the details are a bit hazy. I remember the juicy profit though.
     
    The next mayoral car was leased though, so I wasn't able to buy the Omega that replaced it.
     
    Anyhoo, drifting back to the point of the thread .....
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    Formula Autos got a reaction from AMC Rebel in Models of cars I really liked that were never replaced.   
    Jaaaaags, of course!
     
    A Senator with a boot full of Scampi Fries from the cash and carry didn't quite cut it in the same way as an XJ40 would.
     
    Granadas? Pffftt!
     
    Proper pub landlords drive Jags.
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    Formula Autos got a reaction from michael t in Ford Mondeo is at an end?   
    I once went and had a test drive of a seven year old Lexus at a franchised dealer.
     
    I liked the car, but not the price, and started trying to chisel them. Then the salesman's pitch started; long flowery descriptions about how I wasn't just buying a car, I was buying a lifestyle. No knicker elastic would remain unsnapped if I drove past in this wonder machine. A world of unimaginable opportunities and magic moments awaited, if I only signed on the dotted line.
     
    My response; "Aye, whatever Pal. It's a silver diesel repmobile. What price to change are we really looking at here?"
     
    The guff continued, so I left, went to a Ford dealers where they just chucked me a set of keys, left me alone with my thoughts. Basically, they treated me like a sentient being, whose head didn't need filling with airy concepts about how buying a car would change my life.
     
    I bought a Mondeo off them.
     
    Nowt wrong with chucking people keys and letting them decide for themselves. The whole sales spiel/Willy Wonka/ mind control thing makes me think the actual product isn't actually much good.
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    Formula Autos got a reaction from face in Ford Mondeo is at an end?   
    I once went and had a test drive of a seven year old Lexus at a franchised dealer.
     
    I liked the car, but not the price, and started trying to chisel them. Then the salesman's pitch started; long flowery descriptions about how I wasn't just buying a car, I was buying a lifestyle. No knicker elastic would remain unsnapped if I drove past in this wonder machine. A world of unimaginable opportunities and magic moments awaited, if I only signed on the dotted line.
     
    My response; "Aye, whatever Pal. It's a silver diesel repmobile. What price to change are we really looking at here?"
     
    The guff continued, so I left, went to a Ford dealers where they just chucked me a set of keys, left me alone with my thoughts. Basically, they treated me like a sentient being, whose head didn't need filling with airy concepts about how buying a car would change my life.
     
    I bought a Mondeo off them.
     
    Nowt wrong with chucking people keys and letting them decide for themselves. The whole sales spiel/Willy Wonka/ mind control thing makes me think the actual product isn't actually much good.
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    Formula Autos got a reaction from Tamworthbay in Scrappies selling fuel   
    Increasingly common in Cumbria now that a lot of cop cars have ANPR set-ups.
     
    I assume it must allow them to see the address of the registered keeper. If it contains the word "farm" at all, then that's maybe why they pull people over?
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    Formula Autos got a reaction from GrumpiusMaximus in Ford Mondeo is at an end?   
    I once went and had a test drive of a seven year old Lexus at a franchised dealer.
     
    I liked the car, but not the price, and started trying to chisel them. Then the salesman's pitch started; long flowery descriptions about how I wasn't just buying a car, I was buying a lifestyle. No knicker elastic would remain unsnapped if I drove past in this wonder machine. A world of unimaginable opportunities and magic moments awaited, if I only signed on the dotted line.
     
    My response; "Aye, whatever Pal. It's a silver diesel repmobile. What price to change are we really looking at here?"
     
    The guff continued, so I left, went to a Ford dealers where they just chucked me a set of keys, left me alone with my thoughts. Basically, they treated me like a sentient being, whose head didn't need filling with airy concepts about how buying a car would change my life.
     
    I bought a Mondeo off them.
     
    Nowt wrong with chucking people keys and letting them decide for themselves. The whole sales spiel/Willy Wonka/ mind control thing makes me think the actual product isn't actually much good.
  24. Like
    Formula Autos got a reaction from AMC Rebel in Ford Mondeo is at an end?   
    I once went and had a test drive of a seven year old Lexus at a franchised dealer.
     
    I liked the car, but not the price, and started trying to chisel them. Then the salesman's pitch started; long flowery descriptions about how I wasn't just buying a car, I was buying a lifestyle. No knicker elastic would remain unsnapped if I drove past in this wonder machine. A world of unimaginable opportunities and magic moments awaited, if I only signed on the dotted line.
     
    My response; "Aye, whatever Pal. It's a silver diesel repmobile. What price to change are we really looking at here?"
     
    The guff continued, so I left, went to a Ford dealers where they just chucked me a set of keys, left me alone with my thoughts. Basically, they treated me like a sentient being, whose head didn't need filling with airy concepts about how buying a car would change my life.
     
    I bought a Mondeo off them.
     
    Nowt wrong with chucking people keys and letting them decide for themselves. The whole sales spiel/Willy Wonka/ mind control thing makes me think the actual product isn't actually much good.
  25. Like
    Formula Autos got a reaction from Lacquer Peel in Ford Mondeo is at an end?   
    I once went and had a test drive of a seven year old Lexus at a franchised dealer.
     
    I liked the car, but not the price, and started trying to chisel them. Then the salesman's pitch started; long flowery descriptions about how I wasn't just buying a car, I was buying a lifestyle. No knicker elastic would remain unsnapped if I drove past in this wonder machine. A world of unimaginable opportunities and magic moments awaited, if I only signed on the dotted line.
     
    My response; "Aye, whatever Pal. It's a silver diesel repmobile. What price to change are we really looking at here?"
     
    The guff continued, so I left, went to a Ford dealers where they just chucked me a set of keys, left me alone with my thoughts. Basically, they treated me like a sentient being, whose head didn't need filling with airy concepts about how buying a car would change my life.
     
    I bought a Mondeo off them.
     
    Nowt wrong with chucking people keys and letting them decide for themselves. The whole sales spiel/Willy Wonka/ mind control thing makes me think the actual product isn't actually much good.
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