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    barrett got a reaction from GR8 PL8 M8 in Cars you didn't know existed until very recently.   
    I've surprised myself by going to a bookshelf and immediately locating this!

    Which includes some reasonably-priced new houses

    And this. I wonder what the fragrant Mrs Jane Onrust-Kloosterman is up to these days?

    But also this, which I hope you'll be able to read


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    barrett got a reaction from 23rdian in RS3 Found at the roadside dead   
    I know nothing about 21st century cars, but is that really right? That looks like a £1500 shitter to me, but then I have no idea if it's 6 months old or 16 years old because modern cars literally all look the same. Who is paying £30k for for a crappy little hatchback thing, though?? /crawls back under rock, gazes smugly at £135 Peugeot 205
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    barrett got a reaction from MiniMinorMk3 in The "WTF is that?" thread   
    There's a connection. The next generation Graham in 1940 used obsolete Cord body dies, with a restyled front end, but on a rear-wheel drive platform. Called the Graham Hollywood, which I always thought sounded like a cruise ship comedian or a local radio DJ

    Edit to add: I wonder if this is the only case of a car being replaced by a design which was older than the one it was replacing?
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    barrett got a reaction from RayMK in Cars you didn't know existed until very recently.   
    I've surprised myself by going to a bookshelf and immediately locating this!

    Which includes some reasonably-priced new houses

    And this. I wonder what the fragrant Mrs Jane Onrust-Kloosterman is up to these days?

    But also this, which I hope you'll be able to read


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    barrett got a reaction from adw1977 in The "WTF is that?" thread   
    There's a connection. The next generation Graham in 1940 used obsolete Cord body dies, with a restyled front end, but on a rear-wheel drive platform. Called the Graham Hollywood, which I always thought sounded like a cruise ship comedian or a local radio DJ

    Edit to add: I wonder if this is the only case of a car being replaced by a design which was older than the one it was replacing?
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    barrett got a reaction from GR8 PL8 M8 in Cars you didn't know existed until very recently.   
    Indeed. I'm going to stretch the limits of my memory here, and I don't think there is a huge amount of confirmed information anyway, but alongside that very conventional Westcar the same firm built a car called a Heron, and later Westcar Colonial, which was a variation on the Marks-Moir car which was meant to be built in Australia. This is a really interesting thing - it's a plywood monocoque 'hull' with a mid-mounted engine in 1922. Obviously not the first time those things had been done but very much an unconventional design at the time. And it looked really cool, with a 'prow' for a nose

    That's the Marks-Moir prototype (which was actually designed and constructed in England)

    That's the only image I've ever seen of the Westcar version. That's the 'Westcar Colonial' I think, because it has no doors and four seats (obviously trying to add some integrity to the 'hull'). The bodies were built on the Isle of Wight, sent to Southampton and then by road to Herne Bay were they were built up by Westcar (although I don't think very many were actually constructed, of either type - between 50 and 100 in total iirc). I seem to remember Westcar is best known for constructing something like a tram that ran on Herne Bay pier (or somewhere else local)?? Mike Worthington-Williams was very 'into' the whole saga so I have inherited a fair bit of material, but I don't think he ever truly got the absolute full story. He first wrote it up in the 1960s in Kent Life magazine, I think, and even then it was all quite mysterious.
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    barrett got a reaction from MiniMinorMk3 in Cars you didn't know existed until very recently.   
    I've surprised myself by going to a bookshelf and immediately locating this!

    Which includes some reasonably-priced new houses

    And this. I wonder what the fragrant Mrs Jane Onrust-Kloosterman is up to these days?

    But also this, which I hope you'll be able to read


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    barrett got a reaction from garethj in Cars you didn't know existed until very recently.   
    I've surprised myself by going to a bookshelf and immediately locating this!

    Which includes some reasonably-priced new houses

    And this. I wonder what the fragrant Mrs Jane Onrust-Kloosterman is up to these days?

    But also this, which I hope you'll be able to read


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    barrett got a reaction from RayMK in Cars you didn't know existed until very recently.   
    Indeed. I'm going to stretch the limits of my memory here, and I don't think there is a huge amount of confirmed information anyway, but alongside that very conventional Westcar the same firm built a car called a Heron, and later Westcar Colonial, which was a variation on the Marks-Moir car which was meant to be built in Australia. This is a really interesting thing - it's a plywood monocoque 'hull' with a mid-mounted engine in 1922. Obviously not the first time those things had been done but very much an unconventional design at the time. And it looked really cool, with a 'prow' for a nose

    That's the Marks-Moir prototype (which was actually designed and constructed in England)

    That's the only image I've ever seen of the Westcar version. That's the 'Westcar Colonial' I think, because it has no doors and four seats (obviously trying to add some integrity to the 'hull'). The bodies were built on the Isle of Wight, sent to Southampton and then by road to Herne Bay were they were built up by Westcar (although I don't think very many were actually constructed, of either type - between 50 and 100 in total iirc). I seem to remember Westcar is best known for constructing something like a tram that ran on Herne Bay pier (or somewhere else local)?? Mike Worthington-Williams was very 'into' the whole saga so I have inherited a fair bit of material, but I don't think he ever truly got the absolute full story. He first wrote it up in the 1960s in Kent Life magazine, I think, and even then it was all quite mysterious.
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    barrett got a reaction from vulgalour in Cars you didn't know existed until very recently.   
    Indeed. I'm going to stretch the limits of my memory here, and I don't think there is a huge amount of confirmed information anyway, but alongside that very conventional Westcar the same firm built a car called a Heron, and later Westcar Colonial, which was a variation on the Marks-Moir car which was meant to be built in Australia. This is a really interesting thing - it's a plywood monocoque 'hull' with a mid-mounted engine in 1922. Obviously not the first time those things had been done but very much an unconventional design at the time. And it looked really cool, with a 'prow' for a nose

    That's the Marks-Moir prototype (which was actually designed and constructed in England)

    That's the only image I've ever seen of the Westcar version. That's the 'Westcar Colonial' I think, because it has no doors and four seats (obviously trying to add some integrity to the 'hull'). The bodies were built on the Isle of Wight, sent to Southampton and then by road to Herne Bay were they were built up by Westcar (although I don't think very many were actually constructed, of either type - between 50 and 100 in total iirc). I seem to remember Westcar is best known for constructing something like a tram that ran on Herne Bay pier (or somewhere else local)?? Mike Worthington-Williams was very 'into' the whole saga so I have inherited a fair bit of material, but I don't think he ever truly got the absolute full story. He first wrote it up in the 1960s in Kent Life magazine, I think, and even then it was all quite mysterious.
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    barrett got a reaction from artdjones in Cars you didn't know existed until very recently.   
    I've surprised myself by going to a bookshelf and immediately locating this!

    Which includes some reasonably-priced new houses

    And this. I wonder what the fragrant Mrs Jane Onrust-Kloosterman is up to these days?

    But also this, which I hope you'll be able to read


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    barrett got a reaction from MiniMinorMk3 in Cars you didn't know existed until very recently.   
    Indeed. I'm going to stretch the limits of my memory here, and I don't think there is a huge amount of confirmed information anyway, but alongside that very conventional Westcar the same firm built a car called a Heron, and later Westcar Colonial, which was a variation on the Marks-Moir car which was meant to be built in Australia. This is a really interesting thing - it's a plywood monocoque 'hull' with a mid-mounted engine in 1922. Obviously not the first time those things had been done but very much an unconventional design at the time. And it looked really cool, with a 'prow' for a nose

    That's the Marks-Moir prototype (which was actually designed and constructed in England)

    That's the only image I've ever seen of the Westcar version. That's the 'Westcar Colonial' I think, because it has no doors and four seats (obviously trying to add some integrity to the 'hull'). The bodies were built on the Isle of Wight, sent to Southampton and then by road to Herne Bay were they were built up by Westcar (although I don't think very many were actually constructed, of either type - between 50 and 100 in total iirc). I seem to remember Westcar is best known for constructing something like a tram that ran on Herne Bay pier (or somewhere else local)?? Mike Worthington-Williams was very 'into' the whole saga so I have inherited a fair bit of material, but I don't think he ever truly got the absolute full story. He first wrote it up in the 1960s in Kent Life magazine, I think, and even then it was all quite mysterious.
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    barrett got a reaction from garethj in Cars you didn't know existed until very recently.   
    Indeed. I'm going to stretch the limits of my memory here, and I don't think there is a huge amount of confirmed information anyway, but alongside that very conventional Westcar the same firm built a car called a Heron, and later Westcar Colonial, which was a variation on the Marks-Moir car which was meant to be built in Australia. This is a really interesting thing - it's a plywood monocoque 'hull' with a mid-mounted engine in 1922. Obviously not the first time those things had been done but very much an unconventional design at the time. And it looked really cool, with a 'prow' for a nose

    That's the Marks-Moir prototype (which was actually designed and constructed in England)

    That's the only image I've ever seen of the Westcar version. That's the 'Westcar Colonial' I think, because it has no doors and four seats (obviously trying to add some integrity to the 'hull'). The bodies were built on the Isle of Wight, sent to Southampton and then by road to Herne Bay were they were built up by Westcar (although I don't think very many were actually constructed, of either type - between 50 and 100 in total iirc). I seem to remember Westcar is best known for constructing something like a tram that ran on Herne Bay pier (or somewhere else local)?? Mike Worthington-Williams was very 'into' the whole saga so I have inherited a fair bit of material, but I don't think he ever truly got the absolute full story. He first wrote it up in the 1960s in Kent Life magazine, I think, and even then it was all quite mysterious.
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    barrett got a reaction from chaseracer in Cars you didn't know existed until very recently.   
    Indeed. I'm going to stretch the limits of my memory here, and I don't think there is a huge amount of confirmed information anyway, but alongside that very conventional Westcar the same firm built a car called a Heron, and later Westcar Colonial, which was a variation on the Marks-Moir car which was meant to be built in Australia. This is a really interesting thing - it's a plywood monocoque 'hull' with a mid-mounted engine in 1922. Obviously not the first time those things had been done but very much an unconventional design at the time. And it looked really cool, with a 'prow' for a nose

    That's the Marks-Moir prototype (which was actually designed and constructed in England)

    That's the only image I've ever seen of the Westcar version. That's the 'Westcar Colonial' I think, because it has no doors and four seats (obviously trying to add some integrity to the 'hull'). The bodies were built on the Isle of Wight, sent to Southampton and then by road to Herne Bay were they were built up by Westcar (although I don't think very many were actually constructed, of either type - between 50 and 100 in total iirc). I seem to remember Westcar is best known for constructing something like a tram that ran on Herne Bay pier (or somewhere else local)?? Mike Worthington-Williams was very 'into' the whole saga so I have inherited a fair bit of material, but I don't think he ever truly got the absolute full story. He first wrote it up in the 1960s in Kent Life magazine, I think, and even then it was all quite mysterious.
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    barrett got a reaction from ProgRocker in The "WTF is that?" thread   
    There's a connection. The next generation Graham in 1940 used obsolete Cord body dies, with a restyled front end, but on a rear-wheel drive platform. Called the Graham Hollywood, which I always thought sounded like a cruise ship comedian or a local radio DJ

    Edit to add: I wonder if this is the only case of a car being replaced by a design which was older than the one it was replacing?
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    barrett got a reaction from RoadworkUK in The "WTF is that?" thread   
    There's a connection. The next generation Graham in 1940 used obsolete Cord body dies, with a restyled front end, but on a rear-wheel drive platform. Called the Graham Hollywood, which I always thought sounded like a cruise ship comedian or a local radio DJ

    Edit to add: I wonder if this is the only case of a car being replaced by a design which was older than the one it was replacing?
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    barrett got a reaction from RayMK in The "WTF is that?" thread   
    There's a connection. The next generation Graham in 1940 used obsolete Cord body dies, with a restyled front end, but on a rear-wheel drive platform. Called the Graham Hollywood, which I always thought sounded like a cruise ship comedian or a local radio DJ

    Edit to add: I wonder if this is the only case of a car being replaced by a design which was older than the one it was replacing?
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    barrett got a reaction from SteersWithThrottle in The "WTF is that?" thread   
    There's a connection. The next generation Graham in 1940 used obsolete Cord body dies, with a restyled front end, but on a rear-wheel drive platform. Called the Graham Hollywood, which I always thought sounded like a cruise ship comedian or a local radio DJ

    Edit to add: I wonder if this is the only case of a car being replaced by a design which was older than the one it was replacing?
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    barrett got a reaction from High Jetter in The "WTF is that?" thread   
    There's a connection. The next generation Graham in 1940 used obsolete Cord body dies, with a restyled front end, but on a rear-wheel drive platform. Called the Graham Hollywood, which I always thought sounded like a cruise ship comedian or a local radio DJ

    Edit to add: I wonder if this is the only case of a car being replaced by a design which was older than the one it was replacing?
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    barrett got a reaction from Remspoor in Shite in Miniature II   
    Let me know if you'd ever like to move that one on... I only have one CIJ model (I'm not sure when the 'Europarc' branding came in, probably late 1950s) which is this Dyna X

    They did a few cool models of cars nobody else did, including the Dyna Junior, Rovin and this early Alpine, all of which I'd love to find

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    barrett got a reaction from FakeConcern in Shite in Miniature II   
    Let me know if you'd ever like to move that one on... I only have one CIJ model (I'm not sure when the 'Europarc' branding came in, probably late 1950s) which is this Dyna X

    They did a few cool models of cars nobody else did, including the Dyna Junior, Rovin and this early Alpine, all of which I'd love to find

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    barrett got a reaction from Jon in Shite in Miniature II   
    Let me know if you'd ever like to move that one on... I only have one CIJ model (I'm not sure when the 'Europarc' branding came in, probably late 1950s) which is this Dyna X

    They did a few cool models of cars nobody else did, including the Dyna Junior, Rovin and this early Alpine, all of which I'd love to find

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    barrett got a reaction from MiniMinorMk3 in Shite in Miniature II   
    Let me know if you'd ever like to move that one on... I only have one CIJ model (I'm not sure when the 'Europarc' branding came in, probably late 1950s) which is this Dyna X

    They did a few cool models of cars nobody else did, including the Dyna Junior, Rovin and this early Alpine, all of which I'd love to find

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    barrett got a reaction from Datsuncog in Shite in Miniature II   
    Let me know if you'd ever like to move that one on... I only have one CIJ model (I'm not sure when the 'Europarc' branding came in, probably late 1950s) which is this Dyna X

    They did a few cool models of cars nobody else did, including the Dyna Junior, Rovin and this early Alpine, all of which I'd love to find

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    barrett got a reaction from bunglebus in Shite in Miniature II   
    Let me know if you'd ever like to move that one on... I only have one CIJ model (I'm not sure when the 'Europarc' branding came in, probably late 1950s) which is this Dyna X

    They did a few cool models of cars nobody else did, including the Dyna Junior, Rovin and this early Alpine, all of which I'd love to find

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