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Yeah I understand what your saying there will be or, should be a whole vetting process behind it, which makes the fact this INVACAR vs INVACARE fuck up happened in the first place, all the more galling 
 
I did fear they might just try and bodge rather then fix it properly, so I did make sure to explain in detail in my letters what I think the issue is, how it might be resolved, and the fact REV is not an isolated case etc
but alas it seems they did just bodge it sadly
 
but that is one of the reasons I am quite eager to see what if anything is said when this new V5 letter arrives, I will reserve full judgement until then.
maybe just maybe they have only just temporarily uncoded REV to get her to show up correctly, while they sort the back end out and then will re-code her once things are sorted?
thats what I would hope to hear/read at least! but obviously remains to be seen, probably not going to be until at least Monday until the V5 arrives, but ill be sure to keep people informed.
 
one of the many  frustating things about this is, this is not even the first time it happened!
you may notice that genuine AC vehicles from AC Cars Ltd, Thames Ditton mostly all show up on the DVLA as "AC (ELECTRIC)"
but they didn't always do that, wind the clock way back to about 1983, they did correctly show up as just "AC", for example if you look up 1940PE, you will see it says "AC (ELECTRIC)" and it shows a V5 last issued 8th December 1983, I have seen that V5 (it still exists with the car) and it does just say "AC" on it as it should because it was printed before the cockup its only the online record thats wrong so to speak,
its just for someone reason at some point in time after that someone added "(ELECTRIC)" to the end of "AC" in the lookup, so suddenly all genuine AC's show up "AC (ELECTRIC)"! I have seen a few owners of AC sports cars try to fix this, and often times it ends up as a bit of a mess like "ACSHELBYCOBRA260DAYTONA" or something along those lines because, they think "AC (ELECTRIC)" must be wrong, not knowing that it is technically "right" that is AC's name on the DVLA! 
 
so with this whole INVACARE thing, its given me a bad case of deja moo (for when you have seen this bullshit before!)

Hopefully you’ve picked all your toys up now and put them back in your pram.
I was genuinely curious and tried to ask in a non ‘nasty’ way - I even added a cute emoji. 
Dez has actually replied since explaining that he’s been keeping an eye because of the other issue he’d reported regarding the invacarE change and making sure his hadn’t changed - a valid answer as to why someone would be so on it with checking in. 
 
Cheers for explaining LBF, I know you didn’t have to, I just wondered if there was more to it than just randomly reg checking your car every day, turns out there is.. that’s all I wanted to know! 🙌

It does.
It might be their fault but everywhere I've worked there's had to be a cost/benefit analysis for any work. Admittedly it's all been private sector apart from the Post Office though.
I've had to review lots of these proposals but I can't see any monetary benefits in this as I understand it. Sometimes work gets approved without these but usually because of legal requirements or so another system will work 'properly', e.g. a change in data format.
If it's just an easy fix to a look up table it could probably be included in another work package. If it can't then someone will probably have to sign the cost off.
In some ways it'd probably be easier to get the work done if it was a massive problem. I've been out of this field for a while now but let me know if you're unsure about what I've said.
 

as far as I personally understand it, its just a cockup with the lookup tables, someones taken "INVACAR" and put an E on the end so every vehicle registered under the make code of ZA will display inoccrectly as Invacare, instead of Invacar as they should do
so for example the ULEZ checker 

used to correctly display Invacar
now it incorrectly displays Invacare

and someone espically a Jobsworth could argue "oh you never paid for ULEZ, you only paid for a INVACARE, your vehicle is an INVACAR, thus you never paid a charge for it"
this would be more of an issue if say the DVLA changed all fords to Citroen, but the principle is the same
 
and then the issue with how the DVLA have "Fixed" REV's record by dissosicating her from the coded system and just manually typing in INVACAR
means systems that rely on the coded system may fail
for example my parking permit portal, was able to see REV through the simple registration lookup saving me a lot of faff contacting the council to get a parking permit, it could be all done online

but as you can see when I try a vehicle not on the coded system, it dies a death
so now REV may potential start to fail to show up on these systems also
 
again with TFL for example, heres an Invacar that was never put on the coded system properly, and as you can see it sort of finds it, but note how the vehicle make is completely missing, not a good look is it!

 
the fix is AFAIK pretty simple, someone just needs to go in and fix the look up table, and then for all INVACAR's that are currently taxed or SORN, do a data refresh, there aint many of them! again about 60 (including the incorrectly registered scooters LOL)
(I mean theres about ~7000~ or so on the DVLA but most of those are dormant, tax due 1987 or whatever so those are not affected by this, since they are still using cached data from who knows when and do display correctly still)
 
but regardless of effort to fix, they themselves fucked it up in the first place, they should fix it I feel, and fix it properly
 
hopefully this makes sense  

Maybe they should get Fujitsu in to sort them out a new system. WHAT COULD POSSIBLY GO WRONG? 

Yes.
He's a doctor not a data entry clerk and has little or no need to understand the system. It's not rude or ignorant as he didn't understand the impact what he was doing, he's got far better things to do with his time. If you're doing a responsible job you prioritise the use of your time and data entry tends to be near the bottom of the list, you can always use some uni arts grad to fix it.

EFLOLZ

It always has been, @LightBulbFun but what you must also understand is it’s become as successful as it is because of the way people have always been able to get along, take the piss, help each other out and generally form a community without getting upset that someone has said something they disagree with.
You are more than welcome to partake but you must be prepared to fit in with the general ethos of the place. There are plenty of members who have gone out of their way to help you and offer advice but you need to stop getting so upset when the popular opinion doesn’t go your way 🙂

So if your car came from the factory with Michelin tyres and you replaced them with Dunlops, that’s voided your insurance? It’s nonsense.
Some tried to do it with winter tyres a while ago, saying you had to inform them ( possibly incurring an increase for a modification, definitely incurring an admin charge), but the ombudsman told them they were talking bollocks so it wasn’t something you had to tell them.

What practical difference does it make in the real world what is printed on the V5? 
 
Where I live they accidentally misread my driving license when they translated it so now I’ve got a full HGV licence. Makes absolutely no difference in the real world so I don’t worry about it. It’s been like that 8 years now. 

The internet is not a 'Safe Space'.

Yup, as someone who previously audited NHS data quality over quite a few years, it does matter if say you've coded the wrong operation or appointment date etc. As you mention data entry is often done by employees who don't have a lot of training etc.
However, 99% of errors are just mistakes rather than malicious intent or genuine fraud/gaming of the system etc.

Still curious as to why you reg check your car daily (if not daily-ish)? ☺️

But what does it matter surely they are all MOT and tax exempt anyway nothing will change that.  🤔  the only difference I can think is one can go on the path. 

I started my career as a purchase ledger clerk and I definitely didn’t* just lump things into the nearest suitable code if they didn’t fit neatly inside the available choices of descriptions. If you set up a new code then that would normally upset a management accountant somewhere.

This. 
Having also worked in this area, sometimes you find people are even actively encouraged by management to use a nearest match rather than have a new code created or to use free text. 

Just as an additional point if data is being or has been manually entered then most data entry clerks won't give a damn about whether it's an invacare or whatever. If it fails validation they'll find a code that it will accept, often using one they've found to work in the past. In my experience this is very rarely found out as nobody can be bothered to check, it's not a matter of life or death. I've been guilty of this as I was one for a few months after leaving uni whilst I decided what to do.
Obviously it is important with some systems but certainly not this one in my opinion.

I've found this very useful:
https://www.gov.uk/mot-reminder

One thing I’m curious about is what makes you ‘check in’ on your cars DVLA record, and why by the sounds of it do you do it daily?!
Too much of a coincidence for you to have by chance checked in on the very day they issued a new V5?!
Ive only ever checked any of my vehicles if I’ve forgotten when the MOT runs out, just curious as to why you’d need to constantly check in on it?

I do hope that Dez can get this thing on the road sooner rather than later.  Then he can just worry about whether it is going to start in the morning, like the rest of us. 

At the end of the day the model coding etc is not meant to be a public facing feature.
You know about it as an enthusiast/researcher but the chances are, if you complain to DVLA they won't really know what to do with it.
There must be tons of people with imports etc who don't have a coded model and manage to use their cars just fine.

Just as an additional point if data is being or has been manually entered then most data entry clerks won't give a damn about whether it's an invacare or whatever. If it fails validation they'll find a code that it will accept, often using one they've found to work in the past. In my experience this is very rarely found out as nobody can be bothered to check, it's not a matter of life or death. I've been guilty of this as I was one for a few months after leaving uni whilst I decided what to do.
Obviously it is important with some systems but certainly not this one in my opinion.

Not to worry you , Total car check  has updated  the v5 issue date... but still call it  Invacare . Sadly very awesomely curious ?  

No. 
 
And i’d have to assume the folks at DVLA have got bigger things to worry about.

You are taking all this stuff far too seriously M8.
I know zilch about computer search systems, but is it possible that your industrial scale DVLA bashing has alerted them in some way, and they are wondering why somebody is so interested in such an obscure group of vehicles?   Not suggesting you are being in any way dishonest, but sometimes it's best to keep your head down.  Just saying.