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#181 OFFLINE   SiC

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Posted 08 January 2018 - 11:30 PM

PS I reckon thats the biggest post in AS history


I'm sure quite a few of Hendrys posts beat it.
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Posted 08 January 2018 - 11:32 PM

yeah you might be right actually!!!


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Posted 09 January 2018 - 06:55 AM

Top work - I'm going to read through that again tonight and watch the videos with the volume to da max!

 

Very bizarre that those different engines were available, their journalist seems as bland as in your previous reports so I wonder if they were afraid of upsetting the manufacturers even back then?  For them to call the Perkins engine "borderline dangerous for overtaking" I wonder how bad it really must be?


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Posted 09 January 2018 - 07:36 AM

Superb effort, Bol, truly above and beyond.

 

Flipping dreadful review, though. If any 'normal' reader was looking for actual advice on which car to buy, I doubt they'd make it halfway through the first paragraph. It reads more like engineering porn than consumer journalism.


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Posted 09 January 2018 - 07:59 AM

Amazing effort, I reckon you put 34x as much time into translating that as they did writing it in the first place. I love how the discussion of bore and stroke or how many pistons rings they have takes up more space than coming to a meaningful conclusion.

Does sound like there were some desperate measures in place. Engines straight out of boats with 4000rpm redlines and yeah, what's with three different 131 models?

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Posted 09 January 2018 - 11:12 AM

....Very bizarre that those different engines were available,....

 

The Spanish new car market was probably unlike any other in Western Europe, and my understanding was that it was a bit of a closed shop until after 1982 when Spain joined the EEC.


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Posted 09 January 2018 - 12:27 PM

Having grown up partially in Valencia, this road test shows pretty much every vehicle representative as Taxis at Valencia Airport at the time I was travelling out there.

 

Some Seat 131's had a hefty bonnet bulge, so I assume one of the diesel lumps was taller than the others.

 

Other favourites were Renault 18 Diesels, Renault 21's (in later years), but there was still the odd Renault 12 knocking about.  

 

Oddly I don't remember any VW's or Mercedes which now seem to be the staple taxi fodder.


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Posted 09 January 2018 - 12:35 PM

Thanks for doing the translations Mr_B, I shall re-read when I have more time to digest these properly,

 

I now want to go to Spain/Portugal and get a 131 (or 132) although probably not a diesel.


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Posted 09 January 2018 - 09:09 PM

I'm chuffed that they decided the 4 headed monster is the best of the lot.

 

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Posted 09 January 2018 - 09:48 PM

I love the old 4-headed monster I do! Probably my favourite diesel engine with the Perkins Prima close behind.

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Posted 09 January 2018 - 10:20 PM

my mother had two autobianchi minis, one of which is actually parked under a tarp in italy rusting away. To consider that the thing was a complete pear when it was put away...circa 24 years ago, i'd guess not a lot remains under the woodpile/tarp.


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Posted 09 January 2018 - 10:21 PM

That test made a Motoring Which? Test read like an LJKS column.
No wonder we didn't really do diesels in this country until the 90's.
I had no idea what a Perkins 4108 was so looked it up, basically a diesel B Series that was thought a bit underpowered for cars in 1958 , obvious choice for a large family car in the 1980's.
Seems most in canal boats or as auxillary engines for sailing boats- not powerful enough for a main engine!
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Posted 09 January 2018 - 10:37 PM

I am imagining that most if not all of those old heaps would create a major hazard in Spanish traffic today. Yes please to any one of them!

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Posted 09 January 2018 - 10:46 PM

Too right. I would cheerfully swap my seemingly redundant knackers for any of those turds, even the Ritmo

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Posted 10 January 2018 - 12:23 AM

Those 180s are teh secks, even next to the thinly warmed over 1970s chod from SEAT and the solitary poojoe they're solid gold shite.



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Posted 10 January 2018 - 11:05 AM

I'd love a diesel 180. They're just so wonderfully crud, and paired with a Talbot badge too!

Shame Spain didn't get the 2.0 Rekord diesel. Small engine tax special which topped out at 82mph, presumably downhill with no one on board.
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Posted 10 January 2018 - 11:49 PM

I found a handbook for a Farina Morris Oxford diesel at the weekend, the sheer omph of 1489ccs of oil burning power (40 bhp) must have made the 1622cc pez ones seem like an AC Cobra.

The article is weird, as you say it goes into great detail and damns with faint praise, it seems mad a car as developed as a 505 Srd would be compared to a Chrysler 180 with a 1950s marine engine!
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Posted 13 January 2018 - 01:42 AM

Great stuff, lets get this massive undertaking back on the front page. From a totally off topic point of view how is your Spanish coming along Senior Bolleaux?
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Posted 13 January 2018 - 06:37 PM

Aw cheers! Not too bad thanks! Been doing some hour-long Skype lessons with someone in Venezuela. I can keep a conversation rumbling along now but it is very clunky and mistake-filled! I need to just keep on putting the time in. Downloaded a couple of programmes of Spanish radio to listen to while garaging on the 323 tomorrow too.

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Posted 19 January 2018 - 08:25 PM

Got a new article for you here shidders, its from this mag which looks like a sort of dream euroshite catalogue, its a special edition of French classic car mag'YOUNGTIMERS':

 

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Its actually a lot like that 'Retro' mag in that its got some nice cars and nice photos in, but the quality of writing and level of interesting info is pretty piss poor TBH. Still, who wouldn't want to see a few nice pictures of an early GS? Make sure you click through to see em properly.

 

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The world of classic cars has its foibles. Certain models are almost fetishised while others barely get a look-in among collectors. Indeed, until recently even the most hardcore Citroenistes weren’t big into the GS model. A sales failure? Hardly; The 1971 car of the year was for a long time Citroen’s highest-selling product, apart from the 2CV of course. So perhaps it needs looking at differently. Its designers achieved quite a feat in bringing it to life at all.

 

During the 1960’s, the chevron marque was one of extremes; between the minimalist 2CV and the opulent DS, there was little or nothing to see. Javel tried to disguise the situation with the remarkable Ami 6, and with the ‘basic’ ID version of the DS, but those couldn’t truly cover up the gaping hole in the middle of the Citroen catalogue that stretched from 3 to 11CV. That was a deliberate coice of the then boss Pierre Bercot, who believe that the singular technology of the marque could only really apply to specific models like the 2Cv and DS, which both represented a sort of quest for the absolute, either for economy or high-comfort long-distance travel. According to Bercot, the very idea of a ‘middle-sized’ car was a compromise, a mediocrity, that was not appropriate for Citroen. Nevertheless, projects trickled away in the background and the Ami6 became a sort of ice-breaker for something much more ambitious.

 

Eventually, the ‘project F’ got moving, and was intended to be sold with a range of different engine, suspensions and bodyshells, not unlike the old Traction Avant. But, despite verbally getting the green light from Bercot, it was eventually judged ‘too dowdy’ and was canned at the point where factory tooling started to arrive at Rennes!!! An about-turn as costly as it was salutary, the project F was, according to its protagonists at the time, probably better off dead.

 

 

 

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In the meantime, as cars like the Peugeot 204, Simca 1100 and BMC 1100 were hitting the roads, Citroen launched a new project – the ‘G’, under great pressure from a new, young and energetic sales director Calude-Alain Sarre. This time, there was a serious urgency about the project; we’re in mid-1968 and the company went all-out to get the G to market by Autumn 1970. When the moment arrived, the GS received an enthusiastic welcome, and much respect for the fact that Citroen had managed to design, develop and productionise a completely new car in 2 ½ years!

 

It wasn’t perfect though and thanks to the huge rush to get it to market, the marque ended up (much like the Traction) letting the first customers complete the test and development programme. Modifications raind down during the first 12 months or so; engine, gearbox, accessories, electrical, trim & finishing, all was under a programme of intensive ‘polishing’ and honing to get a reliable product. After a few difficult months the GS did reach a good level of maturity although it was stained with a reputation for unreliability (and thirst) that it never quite shook off. Much like its image of being a little on the slow side, a fault of engines which were perhaps a little short on size and horsepower. But, the GS was a hit with the motoring press who didn’t miss an opportunity to point out areas where the GS was years ahead of its competitors. Customers must have been listening as sales climbed steadily, reaching a high point 8 years after launch!!! So overall there are lots of reasons to look again at the GS.

 

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  • The GS's on-road abilities hold up amazingly well today with a brilliant comfort/handling compromise and millimetric precision on the road.
  • Replaced n 1977, the large honeycomb grill pattern feeds large quantities of cooling air to the aluminium flat-four

 

Theres certainly a lot stylistically to distinguish it from its concurrents, even if its profile seems to contain something from the Alfasud (launched 3 years later). The styling approach is of a similar vein to the CX, even if the CX’s longer, lower lines carry it off more elegantly. Its pure and

nicely sculpted in details, the GS has charm, notably its distinctive face marrying huge headlights and a trapezoidal grille with a honeycomb pattern. The vertically chopped-off tail might have raised a few eyebrows but it’s in line with aerodynamic practice of the time. As a whole it certainly has finesse.

The interior is seductive, notably due to the strange, aerial beauty of the dashboard. The finish is perhaps not the best, but neither was that of many of its competitors at the time. The GS at least bids for your attention with stylistic and ergonomic treats; ‘honeycomb’ motif on the door panels, drum speedo & stylised rev-counter, horizontal dash-mounted handbrake, useless but stylish ashtray…. And, in true citroen style, wide, well-designed squashy seats. The driving position doesn’t elicit any particular praise or complaint, although you notice the pedals do not have any rubber pads on them which looks a bit ‘raw’.

 

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  • Despite a modest width compared to todays cars, the GS offers a good space to its rear seat passengers. Just beware of the effect the soft suspension can have on young stomachs!!!
  • As is often the way with flat fours, the 1015 is almost invisible, hidden underneats a rats nest of tubes, pipes and wires. It takes a while to warm up but is amazingly flexible and responsive at higher speeds.

 

A quick tour at the back shows you that the rear passengers have plenty of space generally, though if they’re very tall they might find the roofline a little low. More aerodynamics! The boot also has good and bad about it; its like looking into a large microwave oven with its vertical opening door revealing a large, squared-off compartment. Theres no loading step though, so its easy to load although you have to bend down to do it..

 

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  • Can you think of any other family car with a dashboard as styling and original as the GS?
  • Putting to one side the famous drum speedo, the stylised circular-arc rev counter certainly is not lacking in flair
  • Originally the GS was conceived with a dash-mounted gearlever (like the 2CV) but it didnt make the final cut for production. Instead, the pull-out handbrake is located here;
  • The boot has a hood volume and is almost a pefect 'cube' shape - its easy to load but mind your back!!!

 

 

But, the best is yet to come – behind the wheel. If the high-pressure pump is a little slow to get the car ready to go, you do get a moment to appreciate the amazing ‘discretion’ of the little flat-four, despite it being cooled by air. Less so with the gearbox, which is a little clunky and rough when shifting. Slightly heavy when stationary, the steering is an absolute marvel of precision when youre moving, allowing you to place the car with millimetre accuracy while the suspension silently soaks up the lumps and bumps in the road.

No surprise, the hydro-pneumatic suspension wraps a thick duvet round the wheels, and you float on a sea of oil that barely registers obstacles in the road. Its fun to drive, with less body roll than expected, and certainly less than its ID/DS/CX/SM sisters. Don’t forget the sweet little engine, devoid of any noticeable vibration, lively at speed and docile low down, even if the rev counter tends to be registering higher than you might expect. Add brakes that are amazingly capable once you are used to the ‘pedal’ action and you have a great recipe - it’s the gold standard for a small 1970’s family car. Like a little ID – it could even take that car on.

 

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Sometimes, the best finds happen when you're not even looking. Such is the case with this GS, which has barely covered 10,000 km!!!

 

Owner Jean-Pierre Hurtevent says: I've been a Citroen fan for a long time, although my parents were more into Peugeots. The day I got my firs BX, it was a revelation; the safety, the comfort, the reliability (!!!) .....which, over time led me to start accumulating examples, several BX's, a DS, a C6 and so on. As for this GS, it belonged to a grandparent of my wife's nephew. He was a Citroen agent, and he'd had it stashed since 1982!!! It had come in with engine problems, as happened to many similar examples, being an early (Nov 1970) 1015cc version. I wasnt particularly searching for one of these, but I snapped it up, and have been working my way through it. The engine needed a new camshaft and followers, and since changing those its run perfectly and always turns loads of heads!!!!!!!


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Posted 19 January 2018 - 08:38 PM

The Spanish new car market was probably unlike any other in Western Europe, and my understanding was that it was a bit of a closed shop until after 1982 when Spain joined the EEC.

 

Actually it already started to open up right after Franco had died. One of the first results of this was that the Fiesta plant was built there,

which required a huge amount of red tape removal in the run up.

Before that, Spain also had difficulties in exporting to Western Europe, since nobody wanted to be seen driving a car made in a dictatorship.


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Posted 19 January 2018 - 09:01 PM

Got a new article for you here shidders, its from this mag which looks like a sort of dream euroshite catalogue, its a special edition of French classic car mag'YOUNGTIMERS':

 

https://www.youngtimers.fr/wp-content/up...

 

 

Its actually a lot like that 'Retro' mag in that its got some nice cars and nice photos in, but the quality of writing and level of interesting info is pretty piss poor TBH. Still, who wouldn't want to see a few nice pictures of an early GS? Make sure you click through to see em properly.

 

https://i.imgur.com/txkItqY.png...

 

The world of classic cars has its foibles. Certain models are almost fetishised while others barely get a look-in among collectors. Indeed, until recently even the most hardcore Citroenistes weren’t big into the GS model. A sales failure? Hardly; The 1971 car of the year was for a long time Citroen’s highest-selling product, apart from the 2CV of course. So perhaps it needs looking at differently. Its designers achieved quite a feat in bringing it to life at all.

 

During the 1960’s, the chevron marque was one of extremes; between the minimalist 2CV and the opulent DS, there was little or nothing to see. Javel tried to disguise the situation with the remarkable Ami 6, and with the ‘basic’ ID version of the DS, but those couldn’t truly cover up the gaping hole in the middle of the Citroen catalogue that stretched from 3 to 11CV. That was a deliberate coice of the then boss Pierre Bercot, who believe that the singular technology of the marque could only really apply to specific models like the 2Cv and DS, which both represented a sort of quest for the absolute, either for economy or high-comfort long-distance travel. According to Bercot, the very idea of a ‘middle-sized’ car was a compromise, a mediocrity, that was not appropriate for Citroen. Nevertheless, projects trickled away in the background and the Ami6 became a sort of ice-breaker for something much more ambitious.

 

Eventually, the ‘project F’ got moving, and was intended to be sold with a range of different engine, suspensions and bodyshells, not unlike the old Traction Avant. But, despite verbally getting the green light from Bercot, it was eventually judged ‘too dowdy’ and was canned at the point where factory tooling started to arrive at Rennes!!! An about-turn as costly as it was salutary, the project F was, according to its protagonists at the time, probably better off dead.

 

 

 

https://i.imgur.com/LbXiBAD.png...

 

In the meantime, as cars like the Peugeot 204, Simca 1100 and BMC 1100 were hitting the roads, Citroen launched a new project – the ‘G’, under great pressure from a new, young and energetic sales director Calude-Alain Sarre. This time, there was a serious urgency about the project; we’re in mid-1968 and the company went all-out to get the G to market by Autumn 1970. When the moment arrived, the GS received an enthusiastic welcome, and much respect for the fact that Citroen had managed to design, develop and productionise a completely new car in 2 ½ years!

 

It wasn’t perfect though and thanks to the huge rush to get it to market, the marque ended up (much like the Traction) letting the first customers complete the test and development programme. Modifications raind down during the first 12 months or so; engine, gearbox, accessories, electrical, trim & finishing, all was under a programme of intensive ‘polishing’ and honing to get a reliable product. After a few difficult months the GS did reach a good level of maturity although it was stained with a reputation for unreliability (and thirst) that it never quite shook off. Much like its image of being a little on the slow side, a fault of engines which were perhaps a little short on size and horsepower. But, the GS was a hit with the motoring press who didn’t miss an opportunity to point out areas where the GS was years ahead of its competitors. Customers must have been listening as sales climbed steadily, reaching a high point 8 years after launch!!! So overall there are lots of reasons to look again at the GS.

 

https://i.imgur.com/h9sRkIp.png...

 

  • The GS's on-road abilities hold up amazingly well today with a brilliant comfort/handling compromise and millimetric precision on the road.
  • Replaced n 1977, the large honeycomb grill pattern feeds large quantities of cooling air to the aluminium flat-four

 

Theres certainly a lot stylistically to distinguish it from its concurrents, even if its profile seems to contain something from the Alfasud (launched 3 years later). The styling approach is of a similar vein to the CX, even if the CX’s longer, lower lines carry it off more elegantly. Its pure and

nicely sculpted in details, the GS has charm, notably its distinctive face marrying huge headlights and a trapezoidal grille with a honeycomb pattern. The vertically chopped-off tail might have raised a few eyebrows but it’s in line with aerodynamic practice of the time. As a whole it certainly has finesse.

The interior is seductive, notably due to the strange, aerial beauty of the dashboard. The finish is perhaps not the best, but neither was that of many of its competitors at the time. The GS at least bids for your attention with stylistic and ergonomic treats; ‘honeycomb’ motif on the door panels, drum speedo & stylised rev-counter, horizontal dash-mounted handbrake, useless but stylish ashtray…. And, in true citroen style, wide, well-designed squashy seats. The driving position doesn’t elicit any particular praise or complaint, although you notice the pedals do not have any rubber pads on them which looks a bit ‘raw’.

 

https://i.imgur.com/XJ9BONO.png...

 

  • Despite a modest width compared to todays cars, the GS offers a good space to its rear seat passengers. Just beware of the effect the soft suspension can have on young stomachs!!!
  • As is often the way with flat fours, the 1015 is almost invisible, hidden underneats a rats nest of tubes, pipes and wires. It takes a while to warm up but is amazingly flexible and responsive at higher speeds.

 

A quick tour at the back shows you that the rear passengers have plenty of space generally, though if they’re very tall they might find the roofline a little low. More aerodynamics! The boot also has good and bad about it; its like looking into a large microwave oven with its vertical opening door revealing a large, squared-off compartment. Theres no loading step though, so its easy to load although you have to bend down to do it..

 

https://i.imgur.com/sPR6tQw.png...

 

  • Can you think of any other family car with a dashboard as styling and original as the GS?
  • Putting to one side the famous drum speedo, the stylised circular-arc rev counter certainly is not lacking in flair
  • Originally the GS was conceived with a dash-mounted gearlever (like the 2CV) but it didnt make the final cut for production. Instead, the pull-out handbrake is located here;
  • The boot has a hood volume and is almost a pefect 'cube' shape - its easy to load but mind your back!!!

 

 

But, the best is yet to come – behind the wheel. If the high-pressure pump is a little slow to get the car ready to go, you do get a moment to appreciate the amazing ‘discretion’ of the little flat-four, despite it being cooled by air. Less so with the gearbox, which is a little clunky and rough when shifting. Slightly heavy when stationary, the steering is an absolute marvel of precision when youre moving, allowing you to place the car with millimetre accuracy while the suspension silently soaks up the lumps and bumps in the road.

No surprise, the hydro-pneumatic suspension wraps a thick duvet round the wheels, and you float on a sea of oil that barely registers obstacles in the road. Its fun to drive, with less body roll than expected, and certainly less than its ID/DS/CX/SM sisters. Don’t forget the sweet little engine, devoid of any noticeable vibration, lively at speed and docile low down, even if the rev counter tends to be registering higher than you might expect. Add brakes that are amazingly capable once you are used to the ‘pedal’ action and you have a great recipe - it’s the gold standard for a small 1970’s family car. Like a little ID – it could even take that car on.

 

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Sometimes, the best finds happen when you're not even looking. Such is the case with this GS, which has barely covered 10,000 km!!!

 

Owner Jean-Pierre Hurtevent says: I've been a Citroen fan for a long time, although my parents were more into Peugeots. The day I got my firs BX, it was a revelation; the safety, the comfort, the reliability (!!!) .....which, over time led me to start accumulating examples, several BX's, a DS, a C6 and so on. As for this GS, it belonged to a grandparent of my wife's nephew. He was a Citroen agent, and he'd had it stashed since 1982!!! It had come in with engine problems, as happened to many similar examples, being an early (Nov 1970) 1015cc version. I wasnt particularly searching for one of these, but I snapped it up, and have been working my way through it. The engine needed a new camshaft and followers, and since changing those its run perfectly and always turns loads of heads!!!!!!!

 

 

This pretty well describes the GS I had. The engine is indeed amazing, it feels more like a turbine,

there is no perception of reciprocating masses whatsoever.

It also requires the OMGRPMs of a turbine and takes equally long to wind down to tickover, thus engine braking is pretty nonexistent,

which doesn't matter though, since the brakes are superb and it has the best ABS of all ever, large diameter wheels.

They vastly exaggerate the available rear headroom, though, which is a bit shit.

Even people my height have to sit like John Milner did in his chopped Deuce.

The front seats are like bags stuffed with Marshmallows and when cornering they provide the lateral support of a Space Hopper.

But best of all, driving one by night, the orange glow from that daft speedometer makes everyone in the car look like Mephisto.


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Posted 19 January 2018 - 09:15 PM

how cool is that rev-o-meter on the gs!


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I still haven't figured out what the custard bollocked two bob knob weasel actually does, and I strongly suspect I never will.


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Posted 19 January 2018 - 09:20 PM

I love that cloth you got in early GS models, looks so inviting.  



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Posted 19 January 2018 - 10:11 PM

Our next door neighbour had a yellow GSA in the early 80s, even as a kid I appreciated this must have meant he was a man of distinction!
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Posted 19 January 2018 - 10:18 PM

A great read as usual. Thanks Bo11!
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Posted 20 January 2018 - 07:52 AM

I try and pick up a copy of Youngtimers on my annual French hol's. Interesting to see what they feature and the classified ad's, even if I don't read very much of it.


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Posted 20 January 2018 - 11:57 AM

That test made a Motoring Which? Test read like an LJKS column.
No wonder we didn't really do diesels in this country until the 90's.
I had no idea what a Perkins 4108 was so looked it up, basically a diesel B Series that was thought a bit underpowered for cars in 1958 , obvious choice for a large family car in the 1980's.
Seems most in canal boats or as auxillary engines for sailing boats- not powerful enough for a main engine!
https://sites.google...07-4-108-engine

Far from not doing diesels in this country, it would have been hard to find a more powerful automotive compression ignition motor of this size in the world when this engine first saw the light of day. We just didn't want them under the bonnet of our cars.
The 4 108 was developed in the mid 1950's, starting life as the 4 99. Design work had begun using a 1500 'b' series petrol crankshaft in a fabricated block, and testing included installation in a Vauxhall Velox car. The unit was cutting edge in its day and went on to power a wide range of vehicles from MF tractors, Volga taxis, CA vans and Transits. Thousands were fitted to refrigeration units on semi trailers across the world where it functioned reliably for extended periods without attention (one example notched up a total 33,000 running hours).
Predating BMCs small diesels, it was very long in the tooth by the time it powered the Spanish car, and with only 3 main bearings it's no surprise that it fell behind acceptable levels of refinement. My preference would be for a 4.107 powered Alfa Giulia Nuova Super diesel because it's probably even worse than a Marina 1500d.
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