RENAULT 16 AUTO FOR SALE ON EBAY UK

[RENOMAD]

COUPLE OF DIFFERENT SHADES OF BRONZE!!! SOMEBODY TRY PUTTING UP THE LINK---I cant

[wuvvum]

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/1976-RENAULT-16-SO-SO-RARE-NOW-PURE-70s-STYLE_W0QQitemZ270225871970QQihZ017QQcategoryZ122152QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItemI'm sure that car was at one of the ECA auctions at the Norfolk Showground a couple of years back...

[Spottedlaurel]

I agree Wuvvum, I recall it only a year or so back on one of the ‘jumbler’s boards.

[mouseflakes]

Ask the seller for a photo of what's behind here...

 

[RENOMAD]

If it gone in there--its most likely scrap

[mouseflakes]

If it gone in there--its most likely scrap

...and a recent MOT is no guarantee that the trailing arms are still attached to the car - they do get missed!If I was hoping to own this (or any other R16) beyond the next MOT, I wouldn't bid on it without seeing it first.

[Renault18]

Ask the seller for a photo of what's behind here...

 

I thought exactly the same when I looked at the photos. Sills covered in underseal on something like a R12 or R16 does look right anyway, they were always the same colour as the body.

 

However, on a R16 this is usually a sign of something sinister. hope the buyer's budget is AT LEAST double what it's currently up for if there's trouble in the rear suspension mounts.

 

There could be ahead.

 

On the brighter side of life, I've just bought a 29,000 mile 2002 Megane Privilege DCi hatch for £200.

 

No, that's not a mistake £200.

 

It has been well and truly stuffed mind, but after I've removed all the nice bits, I'll get half that back in scrap, plus have a load of spares! (sadly the engine's u/s)

[mk2_craig]

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/1976-RENAULT-16-SO-SO-RARE-NOW-PURE-70s-STYLE_W0QQitemZ270225871970QQihZ017QQcategoryZ122152QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

16TL auto? LOVELY

[mirafioriman]

It's making good money. I think any car unless it is really cheap, needs looked at before you bid on ebay! Its a really rare car and even if it needs serious repair work, deserves saving. It is unfortunately a fact of life that you either have the skill, space and tools to do restoration work yourself, or you pay someone else a lot of money to do it for you

[MrRegieRitmo]

It is unfortunately a fact of life that you either have the skill, space and tools to do restoration work yourself, or you pay someone else a lot of money to do it for you

and in the case of a particular R20, risk being taken for a ride! (unfortunately not in the car! )

[RENOMAD]

I would not like to be paying that sort of money for this particular 16,,especially witn THAT hole

[mouseflakes]

I've had to rebuild the rear inner sills and trailing arm mounts on two R16s, both of which had perfect outer sills. If the outer sills show signs of repairs, rot or cover-ups, then you seriously need to check those mounts.I've also seen 16s with MOTs that would have left their rear axles in the road if the handbrake was applied before the car had come to a halt.As I say, I'm sure this car may be great for a year, but come next MOT, if the tester knows his onions, you'll need to be sure those rear mounts have been well repaired or have (miraculously) survived all this time without rotting.I'm not casting nasturtiums on the seller's integrity - even MOT testers can miss the hidden rot on these old beauties.

[Electric Leyland]

This car won "best of ebaywatch 2004" back when I used to make pages for the main site (this will return one day!).Look:http://www.autoshite.com/third-id-113-second230-1-p-230-p2-274.htm12 Months MOT, FSH, 33k, £650 it went for.

[MrRegieRitmo]

Any particular reason why it's worth more than twice as much now? Especially when it's almost certainly gone downhill since that time!

[Richard]

I imagine the PC feature on endangered cars will have made a difference.

[Electric Leyland]

To be honest I don't think you get the bargains you used to a few years back, with MOT's. By a long stretch. Dunno why though.

[Renault18]

Guys, the car featured back in 2004 is a different car. The one the was a slightly earlier (1975 model year) TS - I went and looked at it at the time, just prior to it turning up on Ebay.

 

I have owned 5 R16s over the years, including having restored a 1967 back in 1998. I also bought the 1970 TS which is on the RCCC site - it's the one falling apart that's in the resto section. That car had, at some point had about six hundred quid spent on the rear suspension - all nicely welded onto pure rust.

 

You see, the R16 is the greatest car, probably the most innovative car Renault have ever made, and quite likely more advanced than many other manufacturers too.

 

They are really rare now, but everything Mouseflakes says is spot on because, despite their greatness when new, they are absolutely unforgiving bastards when it comes to maintenance and the issue of rust - especially around the rear suspension mounts.

 

MrRitmo - why are they doubling in price you ask?

 

Simple.

 

Demand.

 

And the desire to make money.

 

I knew of a 17k mile 1979 16TL Auto. One old lady owner, MOT'd every year etc, etc. I used to see the car at the dealers every August. Sadly she died three years ago and the family sent the car to a different garage to await sale.

 

It sold with Mot, having been knocked down for a few hundred quid. Whereupon it was cleaned, serviced and resold for 1700 quid - nice work if you can get it.

 

This R16TL Auto IS all the things it says in the advert - a blast from the past, like being on a sofa, quiet as a mouse, whatever. It's up for £1995 on www.carandclassic.co.uk

 

Sorry, but it's worth less than half that, and I say that from the number of R16s I've seen over the years with repairs to the rear of the sill - which without argument is there because the rear suspension has started to go go, as you need to cut this area away to access (or more likely bodge) the rear mount. This particular car will be great to look at, but not a practical proposition at the price.

 

To be honest I don't think you get the bargains you used to a few years back, with MOT's. By a long stretch. Dunno why though.

I do - greed, and that's the current situation with cars like the R16 and R4. It's also why my "new" shite is the more modern-ish and boring, but much more affordable Renault.

[mouseflakes]

Agree with everything Renault18 has said. R16s are such characterful, stylish cars, but they're such hard work. In my eyes, this one is worth as much as the 12 months' MOT it has, which I usually value at £200 - £300 (I suppose you could add the scrap value to that these days too).There was a thread, no doubt lost in the cull, where the role of ebay in the current tat market was discussed. I still think now as then that it has caused the prices to rocket for rarer vehicles.I'm sure you can find a bargain if you just want a Peugeot 106, 'cos there'll be loads to choose from. But prior to the days of t'interweb, cars like the R16 would be advertised in the local rag, and chances are you'd be the only potential buyer to spot it.These days everyone in the UK (and beyond) with any interest in any rare model will be aware of one when it comes up. But you also have general browsers who see it and it awakens some memory of riding in one years ago, traders who think they can cash in on the Retro scene and even exporters for certain models, all competing for the same few vehicles.I doubt many folk prepared to pay the price that 16 is currently at will have any knowledge of what they are like at this age. Someone will buy it at £xxxx, use it, find it won't MOT without another £xxxx spent on it, then try to punt it on without losing money.The only way to keep these vehicles in the hands of 'hands on' enthusiasts is to make sure that if you do own one and you want to move it on then you do all you can to pass it to someone who shares your enthusiasm - even if it's value has dropped and you have to take a bit of a hit. If you pick one up cheap then when you part with it, pass it on cheap, to someone you know cares, not just the highest bidder.[/sermon]

[RENOMAD]

Hi Guys, Actually the cost of restoring one of these babies can be quite frightening. The lovely white TS that I own has had a lot of money spent on it by the previous owner by a specialist restorer. The car did not appear to be terrible bad having being parked up with only 30k on the clock. You should see my face when I added up all the receipts for the restoration,,,and even at this it wasnt completely stripped. I kid you not-------not far off a five figure sum Goes to show!!

[mr-reno-139]

i too love renault 16s and have probably contributed to the rarity factor by banger racing over 100 of them in the 80s and 90s when they were considered no more valuable than a mondeo is today (sorry if iam not supposed to mention bangers ) ooh was that really £150k worth most of those were terminally rusty , those i rescued and used as road cars or sold on also ended up scrap a few years on sadly they are a fantastic car to drive and would love to own a good example but as john and everyone here agrees the economics of welding/ restoration is prohibitive for all but the really dedicated i kept a low mileage nice 16 tl auto for ages richard b did express an interest several years back ,loss of storage and deteriation meant it got crushed nice to still hear from fellow renault fans though

[mouseflakes]

If you pick one up cheap then when you part with it, pass it on cheap, to someone you know cares, not just the highest bidder

When I said this, I wasn't thinking of the situation where you've fully restored the vehicle in between times - that's a different matter of course. And you probably wouldn't want to sell, as you'd never cover the cost!

Actually the cost of restoring one of these babies can be quite frightening.

Not surprised Mr Mad. It's a major undertaking. I've only ever done the MOT work (rear sills off, rebuild rear mounts etc.), no beautifying afterwards, and that alone is very time-consuming.

[Mr Lobster]

I'd agree wholeheartedly with what R18 and Mouseflakes have said.The ebay factor is definately pushing prices up as a vastly larger pool of people have access to it. A few years back something old and Renault shaped would be in Loot, ROC Classifieds, local rag or newsagents and as they say would have been seen by relatively few people.Now everything R4, R16 or similar goes on ebay where it gets bid to far beyond what its worth.Its a great shame, a few years back the ROC had some proper gems turn up in the classifieds but that seems to have all died a death now. And as for Loot - is it still even produced? Can't recall having seen it in ages.

[r.welfare]

Agree wholeheartedly about eBay driving up the price of obscure tin, as it brings it to a wider audience with less legwork required. Witness Pog's recent fun with Tagoras...On the other side of that coin, though, it puts us in touch with hundreds of spares collectors or motor factors having a clearout, enabling us to keep our crocks running with vital service consumables and other spare parts, usually at a fraction of the counter price.I don't know whether owners club classifieds (either forum or clubmag-based) are really that successful - problem is, the main audience already own a car like yours. I think the days of joining an owner's club before you buy a particular car (and hence finding your dream motor in the back of the Club Mag) have probably gone, due to eBay and proliferation of info on the net.I digress. I think most cars - even with prices on the up - aren't economically viable to restore, particularly if a pro does most of the work (and, when it comes to welding repairs on visible panels, that's where I would go). But £10k for an R16 resto is a lot of money - mind you, if you then get an as-new car at the end of it, is it so bad? I s'pose where you want to be is the next owner of said vehicle, acquired at Condition 1 price at a great saving on "cost"...

[mouseflakes]

sorry if iam not supposed to mention bangers

I've no problem with that.From what I recall, the weakness of the R16s I saw racing was that they tended to pop the front ball joints. At least I'm guessing that was the case - they'd be dragged off the track with one front wheel hanging off, then appear for the next race with everything back in place.

[mk2_craig]

I digress. I think most cars - even with prices on the up - aren't economically viable to restore, particularly if a pro does most of the work (and, when it comes to welding repairs on visible panels, that's where I would go). But £10k for an R16 resto is a lot of money - mind you, if you then get an as-new car at the end of it, is it so bad? I s'pose where you want to be is the next owner of said vehicle, acquired at Condition 1 price at a great saving on "cost"...

Horses for courses I suppose. I have two early mk2 Fiestas that need restoring - one an A-reg XR2, the other a C-reg Ghia. At current Ebay values, I could afford to spend three grand on a body overhaul and still make money on the XR2 once back to showroom condition. The Ghia on the other hand is worth a grand tops if immaculate. But I'm probably gonna sink a fortune into both cars eventually, simply cos they don't make 'em any more and I prefer driving either compared to something contemporary like a 207.Alternatively, the Autoshite thing to do would be bodge the Ghia's sills back into a solid-ish state, leave the rest as is and properly run it into the ground over a few more years, banking on 1980s Fiesta values rising like that of 1970s Escorts