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RENAULT 16 AUTO FOR SALE ON EBAY UK
Posted 04 April 2008 - 02:36 PM
Posted 04 April 2008 - 03:34 PM
1973 Datsun 1200 B110 2dr; 1980 Laurel 2.4 C230; 1988 Sunny 1.6 LX N13
1992 Camry 2.2GL project car (still on hold); 1993 Camry Estate 2.2GL (was daily driver, written-off and awaiting repair)
1996 Lexus LS400
And a couple of modern Toyotas.
Posted 04 April 2008 - 03:45 PM
Posted 04 April 2008 - 04:01 PM
Posted 04 April 2008 - 04:17 PM
...and a recent MOT is no guarantee that the trailing arms are still attached to the car - they do get missed!If I was hoping to own this (or any other R16) beyond the next MOT, I wouldn't bid on it without seeing it first.
If it gone in there--its most likely scrap
Posted 04 April 2008 - 11:17 PM
I thought exactly the same when I looked at the photos. Sills covered in underseal on something like a R12 or R16 does look right anyway, they were always the same colour as the body.
Ask the seller for a photo of what's behind here...
However, on a R16 this is usually a sign of something sinister. hope the buyer's budget is AT LEAST double what it's currently up for if there's trouble in the rear suspension mounts.
There could be ahead.
On the brighter side of life, I've just bought a 29,000 mile 2002 Megane Privilege DCi hatch for Â£200.
No, that's not a mistake Â£200.
It has been well and truly stuffed mind, but after I've removed all the nice bits, I'll get half that back in scrap, plus have a load of spares! (sadly the engine's u/s)
Posted 05 April 2008 - 10:25 AM
Posted 05 April 2008 - 10:50 AM
and in the case of a particular R20, risk being taken for a ride! (unfortunately not in the car! )
It is unfortunately a fact of life that you either have the skill, space and tools to do restoration work yourself, or you pay someone else a lot of money to do it for you
Posted 05 April 2008 - 11:12 AM
Posted 05 April 2008 - 10:29 PM
Posted 06 April 2008 - 04:01 PM
The Future. Of the Past. But Today.
'73 Audi 100LS
'79 Mazda 323
'72 Citroen SM
'96 BMW E36 328i
Posted 07 April 2008 - 06:43 PM
Posted 07 April 2008 - 11:52 PM
I have owned 5 R16s over the years, including having restored a 1967 back in 1998. I also bought the 1970 TS which is on the RCCC site - it's the one falling apart that's in the resto section. That car had, at some point had about six hundred quid spent on the rear suspension - all nicely welded onto pure rust.
You see, the R16 is the greatest car, probably the most innovative car Renault have ever made, and quite likely more advanced than many other manufacturers too.
They are really rare now, but everything Mouseflakes says is spot on because, despite their greatness when new, they are absolutely unforgiving bastards when it comes to maintenance and the issue of rust - especially around the rear suspension mounts.
MrRitmo - why are they doubling in price you ask?
And the desire to make money.
I knew of a 17k mile 1979 16TL Auto. One old lady owner, MOT'd every year etc, etc. I used to see the car at the dealers every August. Sadly she died three years ago and the family sent the car to a different garage to await sale.
It sold with Mot, having been knocked down for a few hundred quid. Whereupon it was cleaned, serviced and resold for 1700 quid - nice work if you can get it.
This R16TL Auto IS all the things it says in the advert - a blast from the past, like being on a sofa, quiet as a mouse, whatever. It's up for Â£1995 on www.carandclassic.co.uk
Sorry, but it's worth less than half that, and I say that from the number of R16s I've seen over the years with repairs to the rear of the sill - which without argument is there because the rear suspension has started to go go, as you need to cut this area away to access (or more likely bodge) the rear mount. This particular car will be great to look at, but not a practical proposition at the price.
I do - greed, and that's the current situation with cars like the R16 and R4. It's also why my "new" shite is the more modern-ish and boring, but much more affordable Renault.
To be honest I don't think you get the bargains you used to a few years back, with MOT's. By a long stretch. Dunno why though.
Posted 08 April 2008 - 07:20 AM
Posted 08 April 2008 - 08:11 AM
Posted 08 April 2008 - 08:47 AM
specialist subject - Renault cars 1967-1997 current stock R4 Yellow Peril, 5 Auto,Clios few less now ,Meganes several , 3x Espaces , 3x Laguna 2.2 dt ,R25V6, Oh and ive still got 25V6 limo (must fix it soon)
Posted 08 April 2008 - 08:50 AM
When I said this, I wasn't thinking of the situation where you've fully restored the vehicle in between times - that's a different matter of course. And you probably wouldn't want to sell, as you'd never cover the cost!
If you pick one up cheap then when you part with it, pass it on cheap, to someone you know cares, not just the highest bidder
Not surprised Mr Mad. It's a major undertaking. I've only ever done the MOT work (rear sills off, rebuild rear mounts etc.), no beautifying afterwards, and that alone is very time-consuming.
Actually the cost of restoring one of these babies can be quite frightening.
Posted 08 April 2008 - 09:25 AM
Posted 08 April 2008 - 10:52 AM
2003 Renault Espace IV 2.0 petrol - living up to its reputation...
Posted 08 April 2008 - 11:35 AM
I've no problem with that.From what I recall, the weakness of the R16s I saw racing was that they tended to pop the front ball joints. At least I'm guessing that was the case - they'd be dragged off the track with one front wheel hanging off, then appear for the next race with everything back in place.
sorry if iam not supposed to mention bangers
Posted 08 April 2008 - 12:37 PM
Horses for courses I suppose. I have two early mk2 Fiestas that need restoring - one an A-reg XR2, the other a C-reg Ghia. At current Ebay values, I could afford to spend three grand on a body overhaul and still make money on the XR2 once back to showroom condition. The Ghia on the other hand is worth a grand tops if immaculate. But I'm probably gonna sink a fortune into both cars eventually, simply cos they don't make 'em any more and I prefer driving either compared to something contemporary like a 207.Alternatively, the Autoshite thing to do would be bodge the Ghia's sills back into a solid-ish state, leave the rest as is and properly run it into the ground over a few more years, banking on 1980s Fiesta values rising like that of 1970s Escorts
I digress. I think most cars - even with prices on the up - aren't economically viable to restore, particularly if a pro does most of the work (and, when it comes to welding repairs on visible panels, that's where I would go). But Â£10k for an R16 resto is a lot of money - mind you, if you then get an as-new car at the end of it, is it so bad? I s'pose where you want to be is the next owner of said vehicle, acquired at Condition 1 price at a great saving on "cost"...
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