BorniteIdentity Posted February 16, 2019 Share Posted February 16, 2019 Oh, I agree it's madness. But I think I have to pursue this with the assumption of success or I'd give up straight away!How is its actual condition compared with what you expected/hoped? I never saw the original advert! LightBulbFun 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
egg Posted February 16, 2019 Author Share Posted February 16, 2019 Ah, well there never was an original advert, just someone spotting it - info relayed here by LBF and me getting a bee in my bonnet about pursuing it. Just some slightly soft focus camera phone shots resulted from the yard. As mentioned earlier - better and worse. Mr Cento nailed it - what is broken is very broken, but also it is pretty original - and what's there is almost as it came off the road. LightBulbFun, BorniteIdentity and mrbenn 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuboy Posted February 16, 2019 Share Posted February 16, 2019 It's a 52-year-old two-stroke that's been left untouched and exposed to the elements up a tree in Norfolk for the last 20-odd years, so my guess would be "no".id remove it take it home and put in a warm place for few weeks whilst pouring diesel down the bore and cider down my throat mrbenn, egg and Isaac Hunt 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
egg Posted February 16, 2019 Author Share Posted February 16, 2019 I think it would be easy* to remove the engine from its mounts, but it's the connections through to the control box inside the car that I'd worry about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tooSavvy Posted February 16, 2019 Share Posted February 16, 2019 Oh, I agree it's madness. But I think I have to pursue this with the assumption of success or I'd give up straight away!Agreed totally.... ToMM is quite nice, smart & potters along most satisfactorily [zero FTP = zero expenses] BUT I'm totally obsessed with getting a *rear bootlip spoiler *dealer fit, allegedly :/ I may have a line on one egg 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
egg Posted February 16, 2019 Author Share Posted February 16, 2019 On domestic duties today so limited to vinegar bathing my brake light screws! #projectgoals. What I should be doing is reading this book Christine has kindly sent to me... RayMK, Skizzer, Scruffy Bodger and 8 others 11 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Remspoor Posted February 16, 2019 Share Posted February 16, 2019 If the engine is solid as an Ashford & Simpson song, it will not be so hard to use some sort of engine that powered a motorbike/scotter/maybe a Twizzy.(small eV) egg 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yoss Posted February 16, 2019 Share Posted February 16, 2019 once again not sure on Mk12s, but I do know Model 70s generally all used the same FS880 key as found on many filing cabinets Ha ha, I have one of those! It's for the locking fuel cap on my Triumph.Nice to know I can use it to steal any Invacars that come my way. Probably a good job I didn't know that twenty years ago when they were still around in (slightly) larger numbers. Christine, LightBulbFun and egg 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LightBulbFun Posted February 17, 2019 Share Posted February 17, 2019 Ha ha, I have one of those! It's for the locking fuel cap on my Triumph.IMG_20190216_234409.jpgNice to know I can use it to steal any Invacars that come my way. Probably a good job I didn't know that twenty years ago when they were still around in (slightly) larger numbers. hah *dollywobbler and Zel quickly change their locks* or maybe its a good thing invacar users didn't know that or you may have found your self being tailgated by a small blue car trying to lasso fuel pipe to your car Christine, Yoss and mrbenn 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christine Posted February 17, 2019 Share Posted February 17, 2019 From Scooters and Mopeds by Hingston . I know its the 9e but expect its similar egg, LightBulbFun and shedenvy 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plasticvandan Posted February 17, 2019 Share Posted February 17, 2019 If you wanted someone to have a look at the engine,and I don't know why I'm saying this,I'd be up for getting it working,my only experience is 20 years working on and restoring classic bikes and villiers powered machinery.Somewhere I have stashed away my grandads Villiers manual that he had while he worked repairing these cars back in the mid 60s Dick Longbridge, Scruffy Bodger, Jmac and 5 others 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
egg Posted February 17, 2019 Author Share Posted February 17, 2019 Thanks Christine! So RobT arrived, after I'd first spent an hour doing more sweeping up. The air filter and carb were removed. Umm. The top won't come off the carb so haven't been able to disconnect it completely. Let's leave it in diesel. Hopefully after a few days more disassembly can occur. The spark plug ain't moving despite the addition of dizzle. Let's return to that another day. How about the indicator lights? Dunno how to disconnect...help? So we (Rob) moved on to removing the seat base for access and trying to make the sliding seat work. It doesn't, the pin that holds it in the driving position was seized. Many hours, baby steps! Thanks to Rob for coming down. Six-cylinder, LightBulbFun, Mrcento and 14 others 17 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
egg Posted February 17, 2019 Author Share Posted February 17, 2019 If you wanted someone to have a look at the engine,and I don't know why I'm saying this,I'd be up for getting it working,my only experience is 20 years working on and restoring classic bikes and villiers powered machinery.Somewhere I have stashed away my grandads Villiers manual that he had while he worked repairing these cars back in the mid 60sA kind offer indeed! Thank you. plasticvandan and Christine 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
egg Posted February 17, 2019 Author Share Posted February 17, 2019 Are you a long way from me Dan? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plasticvandan Posted February 17, 2019 Share Posted February 17, 2019 More than likely! As your location has the word 'bay' in it lol.im in Worcestershire. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
egg Posted February 17, 2019 Author Share Posted February 17, 2019 Ah, 200 ish miles then! Might be a bit of a trip... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
egg Posted February 17, 2019 Author Share Posted February 17, 2019 Also, we didn't quite have the right square end tool for the brake adjusters, so that was left for another day, although almost everything was sprayed in remonstrating fluid. Skizzer and LightBulbFun 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dollywobbler Posted February 17, 2019 Share Posted February 17, 2019 Indicator wires probably need disconnecting some way into the loom. Has it got the typical Lucas sliding metal connectors behind that bodywork? egg 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
egg Posted February 17, 2019 Author Share Posted February 17, 2019 Indicator wires probably need disconnecting some way into the loom. Has it got the typical Lucas sliding metal connectors behind that bodywork? Ah, possibly, I see - I was expected to disconnect right at the light bulb end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shedenvy Posted February 17, 2019 Share Posted February 17, 2019 If only there was an ice cream tub big enough to dunk the whole invacar in. egg, Scruffy Bodger and LightBulbFun 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
egg Posted February 17, 2019 Author Share Posted February 17, 2019 BTW, shouldn't there be gaskets between cylinder head and carb? There were none. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LightBulbFun Posted February 17, 2019 Share Posted February 17, 2019 very cool to see some work commencing May I recommend watching through DWs invacar playlist on youtube? of course the Model 70 and Mk12 are very different but the general printable of "everything is sized how do I free it all off!" is still the same I would think Ah, possibly, I see - I was expected to disconnect right at the light bulb end. I think the connectors DW is talking about (and that are used on his Model 70) are called "bullet" connectors I have a friend with an MGB in the states, and he was joking that he was going to have to order bullets from the UK Edit: I think on the brake adjusters DW abused used the wrong end of a socket (since those are square) might be worth investigating for yourself egg 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
egg Posted February 17, 2019 Author Share Posted February 17, 2019 Yep, I did watch all the Invacar vids, but a re-visit wouldn't hurt. No progress on an ignition key yet - there are no markings to go by on the top of the barrel. I'll have another look at the wiring. Oh, definitely need new handbrake cables (if such a vehicle really needs a handbrake!). LightBulbFun 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1970mgb Posted February 17, 2019 Share Posted February 17, 2019 I'm Dez's friend in the US-I DID order bullet connectors from the UK I wasn't happy with anything I could find state-side, so ended up buying a few dozen solder-type connectors along with a couple dozen single sleeves and a dozen double sleeves. I bought them on Ebay, and I THINK from a guy who mostly specialized in Triumph motorcycle parts. Moss sells them, but they will only sell as part of a full kit and they are $$$. I had to go through a bit of trial and error to be able to solder them well, too. There's a lot of thermal mass you need to overcome in them, and anything you might hold them in can make for an even bigger heatsink to overcome. My go-to method has become to tin the wires, fill the inside of the bullet with solder(the latter is a lot easier if I'm using a 100+ W solder gun to do it), then remelting the solder inside the bullet and shoving the tinned wire through it. Done right, the end of the wire will stick out the end of the bullet, where it can be trimmed back flush. Christine, Skizzer, LightBulbFun and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobT Posted February 17, 2019 Share Posted February 17, 2019 That was a good day overall, some progress made with a bit of 'leave it till next time' jobs. Shame we couldn't get the plug out. The remonstrating fluid met it's match there, and I didn't want to force it too much (not my project after all!). Whilst egg went off to buy lunch I went all arty farty. The seat base was removed fairly easily, but this securing pin for the sliding base just wouldn't budge. Not sure if heat will help, or just continued soaking in fluid. The above wasn't just random fiddling, having the base off has improved access to the controls box and other stuff. Floor is a bit frilly in places, but MoT exempt m8 so whatevs. GrumpyCat, LightBulbFun, Scruffy Bodger and 18 others 21 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
egg Posted February 17, 2019 Author Share Posted February 17, 2019 Like the pics! Since I've been home, managed to get the air filter apart Squire_Dawson, 500tops, Braddon81 and 7 others 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plasticvandan Posted February 17, 2019 Share Posted February 17, 2019 A bit of blowtorch action will free it all off I suspect Joey spud, LightBulbFun, egg and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LightBulbFun Posted February 17, 2019 Share Posted February 17, 2019 That was a good day overall, some progress made with a bit of 'leave it till next time' jobs. Shame we couldn't get the plug out. The remonstrating fluid met it's match there, and I didn't want to force it too much (not my project after all!). Whilst egg went off to buy lunch I went all arty farty. 20190217_130851.jpg 20190217_130616.jpg The seat base was removed fairly easily, but this securing pin for the sliding base just wouldn't budge. Not sure if heat will help, or just continued soaking in fluid. 20190217_142436.jpg The above wasn't just random fiddling, having the base off has improved access to the controls box and other stuff. Floor is a bit frilly in places, but MoT exempt m8 so whatevs. those are some great shots especially the first one (I feel like that one will need replicating once she is on the road and has something resembling an A pillar/windscreen ) Like the pics! Since I've been home, managed to get the air filter apart IMG_20190217_183652.jpg quick wipe over with some Brasso and she'll be reet* quick edit: has there been any more luck in regards to finding the reg via the chassis number? (especially given we have a rough idea what it might start with on the V5 thanks to DW checking his either INV or 1NV ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
egg Posted February 17, 2019 Author Share Posted February 17, 2019 No more progress - I think Lanciamatt will try again tomorrow. So, there are several possible ways of finding out from Stuart the ICR or through the VIN! LightBulbFun 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
somewhatfoolish Posted February 17, 2019 Share Posted February 17, 2019 That was a good day overall, some progress made with a bit of 'leave it till next time' jobs. Shame we couldn't get the plug out. The remonstrating fluid met it's match there, and I didn't want to force it too much (not my project after all!). Whilst egg went off to buy lunch I went all arty farty. 20190217_130851.jpg 20190217_130616.jpg The seat base was removed fairly easily, but this securing pin for the sliding base just wouldn't budge. Not sure if heat will help, or just continued soaking in fluid. 20190217_142436.jpg The above wasn't just random fiddling, having the base off has improved access to the controls box and other stuff. Floor is a bit frilly in places, but MoT exempt m8 so whatevs.A rattlegun may be the answer to the plug, shock/impulse being more use than brute force, especially if the cylinder head is heated beforehand; similarly an air hammer applied to the seat securing pin may yield results if goop doesn't give results. egg 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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