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#151 OFFLINE   forddeliveryboy

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Posted 13 October 2018 - 12:19 PM

i see you with your U Fox coveting



Yes, they're tremendous! Fast in all conditions, very comfortable, beautifully sensitive yet so stable, also not a little pur sang. Unlike anything today which is so carefully designed to appeal to the masses, Fox designed it for himself, to allow him to continue to sail a small boat through the English Channel (in particular to that yearly cricket match on Goodwin Sands).

1947-50 were years in which several iconic transportation devices emerged, better known than Fox's FF are the Land-Rover, 2cv, Morris Minor, XK120, Vickers Viscount, de Havilland Comet and Saab 92.
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Posted 13 October 2018 - 04:17 PM

Unusual if unexciting - the Suzuki Cappuccino has a helical cut reverse gear as well as the forward ones, so it doesn't make the usual reverse gear whine that you get in most cars.

Not sure why then did that, is the only car I can think of right now with such a refinement measure fitted...
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Posted 13 October 2018 - 05:57 PM

As many as that?

One on the dash and one on each rear wing. Oh and a plastic stencil badge on the driver’s side front wing.


Back on track, I don’t think there’s anything particularly strange about the car though. It’s very well designed and thought out though. I’m trying to think if any of my cars have had strange mechanics - perhaps the revolving dashboard of my series 1cx counts ?
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Posted 13 October 2018 - 06:53 PM

Odd Mechanisms - the OHC lump fitted to later Mantas was the one originally bound for FWD (transverse) Cavaliers and similar - in which install it had the dizzy on the end. That wouldn't fit in the Manta so there was an extra housing with a thing like a tiny cam belt that drove the distributor. Also found on smaller engine Carltons of the period I believe.

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That engine bay is of sutty2006s manta when it had a 2.0 cav Sri engine in before he had the c20xe, I recognise the air filter as I modified it from a 1.1 fiesta K&n for my old manta, because of how the inlet manifold was modified and the height difference of the 2.0 we had to cut a hole in a spare bonnet for it so the bonnet closed
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Posted 13 October 2018 - 07:47 PM

VW 2.5 TDI in the Transporter, a PAS pump running off a gear, oil seal goes and floods PAS system with oil. Great.

No rubber gaiter on the driveshaft so it rusts up.

What dog shit those vans are.
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Posted 14 October 2018 - 12:09 AM

Yes, they're tremendous! Fast in all conditions, very comfortable, beautifully sensitive yet so stable, also not a little pur sang. Unlike anything today which is so carefully designed to appeal to the masses, Fox designed it for himself, to allow him to continue to sail a small boat through the English Channel (in particular to that yearly cricket match on Goodwin Sands).

1947-50 were years in which several iconic transportation devices emerged, better known than Fox's FF are the Land-Rover, 2cv, Morris Minor, XK120, Vickers Viscount, de Havilland Comet and Saab 92.

the 'flying boats' were a game changer ... 


the Swordfish / Albacore  design is  also  pretty nice   
 



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Posted 14 October 2018 - 10:45 AM

How about the 1930s-1950s Daimler automatic chassis lubrication, using a pump controlled by exhaust heat at startup?


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Posted 14 October 2018 - 11:21 AM

Two cambelts on the 850TDi, one of which spins half as fast as the other so if you fuck up a belt change it can be timed perfectly at one end and 180° out at the other.

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Posted 14 October 2018 - 11:23 AM

Two cambelts on the 850TDi, one of which spins half as fast as the other so if you fuck up a belt change it can be timed perfectly at one end and 180° out at the other.
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Posted 14 October 2018 - 11:41 AM

The Ford Escort and Orion mk4? mechanical Abs : Lucas Girling SCS (stop control system) where they put little belts run off of the inner drive shaft joints to modulators bolted to the sides of gearbox.
Abs was proportioned diagonally e.g.NSF and OSR. Added complexity to the removal of gearbox and put brake components and pipes in the way.
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Posted 20 October 2018 - 02:31 PM

This thread is supposed to be about cars, but who could resist the humble Fordson pimped up with a bit of opposed-piston goodness?
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Anyway its CLM diesel was produced by an offshoot of Peugeot, so I guess that they just needed to find a way to get the thing under a normal bonnet.

And, of course, they did. They just put it under a very tall bonnet, that of the 156. Sadly I can't find much about the car except that the engine was not the same as that fitted to the tractor. Have CLM powered Lorraine-Dietrich instead.
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Posted 20 October 2018 - 02:35 PM

Looks like a Howard Rotavator with a glass fibre body on the top.


But not as refined.
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Posted 20 October 2018 - 03:05 PM

 

As common on some aero engines of the time too. The first one that comes to mind is the 24 cylinder H shaped Napier-Sabre in the Typhoon & Tempest, they produced about 3,000hp.


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Posted 20 October 2018 - 03:16 PM

When the UK car industry was occasionally* strikebound, inventive managers found ways to mitigate losses by keeping the lines rolling, albeit rather slowly.  A result of such ingenuity was discovered by my exhaust fitters when replacing the system (including the downpipe) on my Vauxhall Viva HC 1300.  The parts cross checked correctly yet the downpipe would not fit.  It seemed to be of a different design.  Exasperation quickly developed.  Their profit margin was being eroded and my lunch hour was getting unreasonably long. One of their employees suggested a 'phonecall to Vauxhall to complain about the incorrect parts directory.  30 minutes on the phone enabled the puzzle to be unravelled.  My car was built during a strike.  It was fitted with an Opel manifold and required an Opel downpipe plus some bodging to make the rest of the system hang properly.  About 100 Vivas were so affected.  Another hour and the matching downpipe was obtained and fitted.  My boss was understanding, mainly because it gave him an opportunity to slag off the working classes and Unions.

 

Apparently, Vauxhall also fitted some cars with different brands of brakes on one side for similar reasons.  Braking area and diameter was the same but shoes were different.  More puzzled owners and mechanics.

 

Probably already mentioned, but 2cvs have strange mechanics.  No head gaskets, inertial dampers on early cars, horizontal suspension springs under the car which required linseed oil for lubrication, points behind the cooling fan (fan has to come off for access), inboard front drums (discs on later models), spark plug removal made easier by removing the front wings (still quite a quick job), seats that could quickly be removed for picnics and  the bonnet and boot could be removed by sliding them sideways when open.  And that short list is merely a start.  It all worked remarkably well in a very French way.


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Posted 20 October 2018 - 05:02 PM

Yes...strike cars, the joys.

My first Metro had metric brakes on the nearside and imperial on the offside. Discovered when I went to change the front flexible lines and the offside one wouldn't fit.

I never did have the courage to unscrew the unions where these systems met in the middle to see if they had actually tapped them to fit or had just used brute force...

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Posted 20 October 2018 - 08:57 PM

allegro 1500 super- dad got repair kit for master cylinder- was too small - turms out car had non servo cylinder fitted to servo!

bluddy good brakes tho :mrgreen:


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Posted 20 October 2018 - 10:22 PM

Working in a few parts depts, I'm pretty sure 70s cars were made up whatever they found lying around at the time.
Brakes especially.

I've seen Talbot's fitted with an Ate master cylinder, Bendix calipers and Girling wheel cylinders.

There were rumours of 305s that left the factory with 3 stud hubs on one side and 4 stud on the other.

Still French, some Renaults had 5 variations of points and condensers - Lucas, Ducellier, Sev Marshal, Magnetti Marelli or Bosch.

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Posted 20 October 2018 - 10:44 PM

My car has a weird mechanic.

 

It's me.


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Posted Yesterday, 08:41 AM

A colleague of mine spent his apprenticeship in a Leyland dealer. It wasn't uncommon to find a Marina with a disc on one side and a drum on the other when conducting a PDI.

Hopefully this was due to strike action and not the much talked about "quality" of the product at the time.

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Posted Yesterday, 11:36 AM

Strike car, quality control? Industrial sabotage? All 3?
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Posted Yesterday, 12:32 PM

Oldsmobile toronado. Front wheel drive V8.
Drive from torque converter to gearbox input shaft performed by a hy - vo chain.

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Posted Yesterday, 03:37 PM

Oldsmobile toronado. Front wheel drive V8.
Drive from torque converter to gearbox input shaft performed by a hy - vo chain.


Was that not an idea Ford had spent a fortune trying to develop and gave up on?
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Posted Yesterday, 04:51 PM

When they reengineered the AMC Pacer for its disastrous spell being sold in the UK it was fitted with a chain drive to convert it from LHD to RHD. They couldn’t do anything about the longer passenger door ending up as the drivers door though. Made sense in America so the back seat passengers could eject easier, in the UK it just meant the driver had to get out of his seat to let them out.

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Posted Yesterday, 05:10 PM

Was that not an idea Ford had spent a fortune trying to develop and gave up on?


Ford T-Drive, perhaps?

T-drive is a system consisting of a transversally located inline engine, a transmission, and associated packaging. It was designed by Ford in approximately the 1990 timeframe and shown in several auto shows and to magazines. Ultimately, it was abandoned due to several reasons. Ford went ahead with the "modular" V-6, V-8, V-10, and V-12 engine families instead.

The T-Drive engine was literally t-shaped - the transmission was located in the middle of the transverse engine instead of the end. This allows easy and compact placement in small spaces. Due to the tight spacing of the cylinder bores, engines were possible in a "width" of from 4 to 8 cylinders. And T-Drive was designed from the start as a DOHC engine, state-of-the-art at that time. And because the engine design was entirely consistent (simply number of cylinders in line) across the board, any new future technology could be applied to the entire range of engines quickly.


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Yes, that's a transverse-mounted inline EIGHT.

Also, here's a transverse-mounted inline six driving the rear wheels...

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Posted Yesterday, 07:25 PM

Probably already mentioned, but 2cvs have strange mechanics. No head gaskets, inertial dampers on early cars, horizontal suspension springs under the car which required linseed oil for lubrication, points behind the cooling fan (fan has to come off for access), inboard front drums (discs on later models)... It all worked remarkably well in a very French way.


It's really weird, but having grown up with Cits from when they still were, I've found nasty stuff in regular cars regular mechanics wouldn't dare dis. Talking 1998 (or is it 1986?) and before, I can think of Fiestas and other Fords, many Renaults, Peugeot engines (yeuch!), various Mercedes nasties and much else which was pure unpleasantness.

A 2cv is logic itself and engineered to the highest standards within the economics of it all - way beyond almost all other automotive stuff; if it was cheaply built did that really matter, before PSA reduced material qualities so critically through the mid-late 80s? (the French knew this and had altogether stopped buying it beyond 1985).

This logic of the little Citroën is nearly matched with the insanity of its values today, especially given the low quality rebuilds most have received, partly due to the substandard nature of the parts now available. People really do lose their heads, perhaps understandably when the original product could be so beguiling - especially when the steering wheel was on the left.

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Posted Yesterday, 08:58 PM

They couldn’t do anything about the longer passenger door ending up as the drivers door though. Made sense in America so the back seat passengers could eject easier, in the UK it just meant the driver had to get out of his seat to let them out.

 

See also Bini Clubman with only a rear passenger door on the wrong side.


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