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#31 OFFLINE   pshome

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Posted 09 October 2018 - 08:38 PM

Simca invented these fuses to make sure you won't find them when you need them.

 

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Posted 09 October 2018 - 08:40 PM

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Mitsubishi splitter gearbox, so you get to pretend you're driving a lorry


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Posted 09 October 2018 - 08:57 PM

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Mitsubishi splitter gearbox, so you get to pretend you're driving a lorry


A chap I worked with 30 odd years ago had a Mitsubishi Colt with this, initially I didn’t believe him that his car had two gear levers as his nickname was “Drugs”....
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Posted 09 October 2018 - 09:18 PM

Strange are we talking or plain fucking daft?

Not a lot would top the PAS pump running off the cambelt on Lancia Gamma.

Not sure on those Mitsubishi ones you could block shift into higher range as you would in a Rangechange in a lorry.

Plenty of unecessarily PITA jobs on any car, too many to mention.

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Posted 09 October 2018 - 09:20 PM

We spotted an old racing car at Shelsey Walsh which had a huge brake disc on the back of the diff rather than brakes on the rear wheels.

 

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94 Peugeot 405 Estate
93 Land Rover Discovery 200TDI

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Posted 09 October 2018 - 09:21 PM

That'll probably be a BRM - they had a habit of doing that brake disc thing.
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Posted 09 October 2018 - 09:53 PM

My Corolla has that as well, i was quite surprised when changing rear pads.


And the Sigma

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Posted 09 October 2018 - 10:06 PM

Trojan Utility is a two stroke 'square four', with two sets of pistons each operated by a single siamesed con rod, which actually bends during each stroke. The engine is mounted under the passenger seat and coupled to a two speed epicyclic gearbox, which is mounted under the driver's seat. The gearbox drives a chain to one hub on the back axle (that's one wheel drive, then) while the brake (singular) operates on the other wheel. There is no electric starter or starting handle, but instead there's a pull lever like a giant handbrake inside the cabin. Pull it upwards a few times to kick the engine over and it (theoretically) fires into life. If it doesn't go, maybe you need to flood the carburetter, which, incidentally, is located under the 'bonnet' at the end of the longest inlet you've ever seen. Also, solid tyres.


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Posted 09 October 2018 - 10:07 PM

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-rear chassis of the Peugeot 407. Look at the state of it. Huge ally castings everywhere, squeezed in to too small a space, toe arm clamped by the fucking tiniest bolts you've ever seen which 100% seize and snap. What an overly contrived mess. Take a look at the front too;

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#40 OFFLINE   Tadhg Tiogar

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Posted 09 October 2018 - 10:21 PM

Renault 4 and 5 with the gearbox infront of the engine....


I think the DS had that as well.

Didn't the Renault 5 have an asymmetric wheelbase, i.e. one side was slightly longer than the other?
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Posted 09 October 2018 - 10:23 PM

Wasn't it the mk1 Zephyr or Zodiac that had the windae wipers powered by inlet vacuum?
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Posted 09 October 2018 - 10:25 PM

I think virtually all Fords until the 105E did.
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Posted 09 October 2018 - 10:27 PM

Mk1 Hillman Imp: pneumatic throttle instead of bowden cable, and automatic choke. The air throttle was unusual, but the auto choke seems tame enough, right? Except it was controlled by the temperature of the exhaust manifold, not the coolant.
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Posted 09 October 2018 - 10:29 PM

Austin Metro: when the Verto clutch on later models was actuated by Bowden cable, the end of the wire stayed still and the outer moved instead.
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Posted 09 October 2018 - 10:32 PM

I can't find a thread for this...

 

Cars with odd ways to do mechanics, engine, drivetrain, electrics etc.  show them here.

 

Let me start with Peugeot running a belt around the corner.

 

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I think Chevy was there first with the Corvair.

 

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Posted 09 October 2018 - 10:43 PM

Front suspension of Toyota Corolla Levin and Celica GT4, over complex and unreliable.
Pug 504 break double sprung rear end, fantastic, why weren't Volvo 240 similarly equipped.
Lancia sliding pillar front suspension.
Opel cam in head engines.
Panhard- making the engine part of the structure of the car.
Ferguson four wheel drive applied to the Interceptor.
Saab freewheel, largely pointless!
Saab 99, chain driven gearbox under car with clutch at front end.
Volvo triangular dual circuit braking system, the only unconventional thing about volvo I can think of.
Lancia vacuum operated just about everything on Flavias and Flaminias.
Lancia narrow angle V4s with single head.
Alfa transaxle.
Citroen, adoption of 'V' shaped gear teeth to counter lateral loading.
Vacuum operated throttle on early Hillman Imps...doh.
Mushroom on off braking 'switch' on DS.
Moving inner headlamps on Citroen DS, operated by a cable when everything else was hydraulic.
Commer 'knocker' type engines, anyone else try that?
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Posted 09 October 2018 - 10:52 PM

Bendy propshaft on the 1961 Pontiac Tempest?

 

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Posted 09 October 2018 - 10:53 PM

Renault 4 and 5 with the gearbox infront of the engine.

Spitfire single transverse leaf spring rear suspension.

Sorry for lack of pics. Phone, see.

 
 

Both had unequal left and right wheelbases too I think.

 
 

I think the DS had that as well.

Didn't the Renault 5 have an asymmetric wheelbase, i.e. one side was slightly longer than the other?

 
 
Gearbox in front of the engine was pioneered by Miller in the USA on his Indianapolis race cars.
It was first copied by Cord for a production model in 1929, beating Ruxton by mere months.
It was then copied by Adler and Audi in 1932 and 1933 respectively.
It was then copied by one Andre Citroen, copier of many things, for his Traction Avants in 1934.
It continued on the DS.
It was then copied by Renault for the R4 (1961), R16 (1965), R6 (1968) and R5 (1972).
All of these Renaults also have the unequal wheelbase left and right.
 
 
There are so many cars with transverse leaf springs that I'm too lazy to list them all, but the first one I know of is the 1897 Decauville Voiturette (built in Germany under licence by Wartburg) the most popular is the Ford Model T and the one that referred to them with its model name is the DKW Schwebeklasse.


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Posted 09 October 2018 - 10:58 PM

Viva/Bedford HA van had single transverse leaf spring front suspension also.

 

As did Vanette and Bristol, those vehicle designers do like a good honk on the crack pipe.


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Posted 09 October 2018 - 10:59 PM

Wasn't it the mk1 Zephyr or Zodiac that had the windae wipers powered by inlet vacuum?


I belive a lot of Fords and other cars did, so the faster you went the slower the wipers went...
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Posted 09 October 2018 - 11:03 PM

Was it the Rootes group who had the Easydrive semi automatic that used magnets and iron filings?

Also the Cotal gearbox on the Cord which was a manual box, but changed gear using solenoids controlled by a little switch

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Posted 09 October 2018 - 11:06 PM

ZX and its passive rear wheel steering. Unusual at the time: since adopted for many other models by several manufacturers iirc.

I thought the ZX's sliding rear seat was a brilliant innovation too, but later found it was not a new thing.
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XM 2.1 SEDTurbo (leaky driveway ornament)

LT Multicruiser (guest bedroom and backup kitchen)

Mk1 MR2 (rumours of its health are lies)

 

In the Voyager Sanitorium:

Chrysler Graf Spee Limited 3.3 + LPG (suspected OMGHG, Driver's window failure, ABS, AC and driver's seat heater failures)

Spears and reapers Chrysler Graf Spee Limited 3.3 + LPG (suspected long term abuse by PO, passenger's window failure)

 

(I'm sure I've forgotten at least one...)


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Posted 09 October 2018 - 11:15 PM

1946 - 1950 Invicta Black Prince.

 

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Meadows twin overhead camshaft 3-litre six with three carburettors and with a torque converter (Brockhouse Hydro-Kinetic Turbo Transmitter) entirely replacing the gearbox. It was controlled by a small switch with forward and reverse positions. Fully independent suspension using torsion bars and there were built in electric jacks. It also had a trickle-charger to charge the battery from the domestic mains, an immersion heater in the engine, a heater for the body and a radio!

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1993 Peugeot 405 2.0 auto Saloon..........................................A disappointment for many

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Posted 09 October 2018 - 11:17 PM

Pretty sure side mounted rads on original Minis was a first...........


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Posted 09 October 2018 - 11:21 PM

E39 and E46 too. Cos it's not dear enough buying bits for the feckers anyway. Mines sticking on at the moment. Grrr

The E28 I owned years ago had that type of handbrake, I now own a Porsche Boxster & a Land Rover Freelander 2 with the same set-up. Common as muck!

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Posted 09 October 2018 - 11:26 PM

Alfa transaxle.

 

Notable Front-engine, rear-wheel drive cars with a transaxle design include:

    1898–1910 De Dion Bouton
    1914–1939 Stutz Bearcat
    1929–1936 Bugatti Type 46
    1934–1944 Škoda Popular
    1950–1958 Lancia Aurelia
    1951–1956 Pegaso Z-102
    1957–1970 Lancia Flaminia
    1959–1963 DAF
    1961–1963 Pontiac Tempest
    1964–1968 Ferrari 275
    1963–1968 Ferrari 330
    1968–1973 Ferrari 365 GTB/4 "Daytona"
    1972–1987 Alfa Romeo Alfetta and GTV6
    1976–1988 Porsche 924
    1976–1991 Volvo 300 series
    1977–1985 Alfa Romeo Giulietta
    1978–1995 Porsche 928
    1982–1995 Porsche 944 and Porsche 968
    1984–1987 Alfa Romeo 90
    1985–1992 Alfa Romeo 75/Milano
    1989–1991 Alfa Romeo SZ/RZ
    1992–2003 Ferrari 456
    1996–2005 Ferrari 550/Ferrari 575M
    1997–2004 Chevrolet Corvette C5
    1997–1999 Panoz Esperante GTR-1
    1997–2002 Plymouth Prowler
    1998–2005 Shelby Series 1
    2001-2007 Maserati Coupé and Spyder
    2003–date Aston Martin DB9
    2004–2009 Cadillac XLR
    2004–2013 Chevrolet Corvette C6
    2004–2011 Ferrari 612 Scaglietti
    2004–2012 Maserati Quattroporte
    2005–date Aston Martin V8 Vantage
    2006–2012 Ferrari 599 GTB Fiorano
    2007–2010 Alfa Romeo 8C Competizione
    2007–date Maserati GranTurismo/GranCabrio
    2008–date Ferrari California/California T
    2009–2012 Lexus LF-A
    2010–date Aston Martin Rapide
    2010–2013 Mercedes-Benz SLS AMG
    2011–date Ferrari FF
    2012–date Aston Martin Vanquish
    2012–date Ferrari F12berlinetta
    2014–date Chevrolet Corvette C7
    2014–date Mercedes-AMG GT


1967 Renault 16 Grand Luxe.......................Thanks to Weber now running well on regular gas

1993 Peugeot 405 2.0 auto Saloon..........................................A disappointment for many

1997 Peugeot 405 2.0 auto Estate..............................Is being regularly crashed into things


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Posted 09 October 2018 - 11:36 PM

Lancia sliding pillar front suspension.


Sliding pillar independent suspension was first used by Decauville in 1898,
the first recorded instance of independent front suspension on a motor vehicle.
Ironically, it also had a transverse leaf spring.
This system was copied by Sizaire-Naudin a few years later.
Around 1904, the New Jersey inventor J. Walter Christie introduced a sliding pillar suspension system
with vertical coil springs, which may* be the inspiration** for what Lancia used in the 1920s.
Lancia continued with sliding pillar suspension until the 1950s Appia.
In turn, this was copied for a single year by Nash on its unibody 600 model.
Sliding pillar suspension systems have also been used by several cyclecar manufacturers, the French maker Tracta,
and in several prototype vehicles.
In 1909 H.F.S. Morgan introduced a fundamentally similar system using a sliding stub axle on a fixed pillar,
used first on Morgan Motor Company cyclecars, then on their cars up to the current time.
The Morgan design is an inverted sliding pillar, as are most of the later designs, IE the pillar is attached
to the chassis and the stub axle is carried by the sliding sleeve over this.

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1993 Peugeot 405 2.0 auto Saloon..........................................A disappointment for many

1997 Peugeot 405 2.0 auto Estate..............................Is being regularly crashed into things


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Posted 09 October 2018 - 11:39 PM

Opel cam in head engines.


First used in the Maudslay car, designed by Alexander Craig in 1902.

1967 Renault 16 Grand Luxe.......................Thanks to Weber now running well on regular gas

1993 Peugeot 405 2.0 auto Saloon..........................................A disappointment for many

1997 Peugeot 405 2.0 auto Estate..............................Is being regularly crashed into things


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Posted 09 October 2018 - 11:45 PM

Panhard- making the engine part of the structure of the car.


Directly lifted from the cars designed by Grégoire in the 1920s and 1930s.
However, this was even by then common practice in tractors and aeroplanes
and was also used by many automotive pioneers.

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1993 Peugeot 405 2.0 auto Saloon..........................................A disappointment for many

1997 Peugeot 405 2.0 auto Estate..............................Is being regularly crashed into things


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Posted 09 October 2018 - 11:45 PM

Alfa 75 inboard rear brakes

 

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Enjoy changing those.


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