Guest Hooli Posted October 21, 2018 Share Posted October 21, 2018 Another 230ish miles added to the Jaaaaaaaaaaaag today, on just* half a tank of dinosaurs. Considering I went through Bradford twice & up past Skipton and spent half an hour to do a mile on the M62 on the way home I really can't complain at it claiming to have done 26.5mpg. I think it would have cracked 27 if it wasn't for that damned traffic. eddyramrod, Ohdearme, oldcars and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Hooli Posted October 21, 2018 Share Posted October 21, 2018 Oh one other thing I noted tonight. This lovely conveyance is that quiet on the motorway at 70 I can hear FB messenger messages go 'ping' on my phone when said phone is in the closed glovebox Ohdearme, richardthestag, eddyramrod and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Broadsword Posted October 21, 2018 Share Posted October 21, 2018 Glad that you are enjoying it. That is pretty good fuel economy. We ran a X350 3.5 V8 for summer holidays to France and back then up Scotland way. It managed about 27 mpg and that is a much lighter car, though we didn’t spare the whip at all. Boy was it good up Scotland. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squire_Dawson Posted October 21, 2018 Share Posted October 21, 2018 Considering I went through Bradford twice Very brave/daft of you. Christine 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Hooli Posted October 21, 2018 Share Posted October 21, 2018 Glad that you are enjoying it. That is pretty good fuel economy. We ran a X350 3.5 V8 for summer holidays to France and back then up Scotland way. It managed about 27 mpg and that is a much lighter car, though we didn’t spare the whip at all. Boy was it good up Scotland. I could make it much worse but I'm enjoying the waft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Hooli Posted October 22, 2018 Share Posted October 22, 2018 Today the gearbox appears about 75% fixed too, my usual routine of ignoring them till they give up demanding attention appears to be working again. If it stays behaving I'll assume a bit of dirt got stuck somewhere when the fluid was changed by richardthestag & has now washed out into the filter or somewhere else harmless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richardthestag Posted October 22, 2018 Share Posted October 22, 2018 Another 230ish miles added to the Jaaaaaaaaaaaag today, on just* half a tank of dinosaurs. Considering I went through Bradford twice & up past Skipton and spent half an hour to do a mile on the M62 on the way home I really can't complain at it claiming to have done 26.5mpg. I think it would have cracked 27 if it wasn't for that damned traffic. I tried hard to get that onboard to read anything over 26.6 but failed. I reckon to brim the tank and calculate manually might give better (or worse*) results. Have you driven it in a downpour yet? the noise of the rain hitting the roof might make you think it is hailing. I am missing that low down lazy waft with the ability to point and squirt when needed. Audi twat was tailgating me on M4, I had no place to go because of middle lane botherers. I wasnt hanging around either! When I got past I pulled back to lane 2, waited for Audi to get alongside and hit the loud pedal, in sport of course. It pulled clear of that audi pretty rapidly, I then slowed and let him go and spoil someone else's day and got back to the waft Stevebrookman, The Reverend Bluejeans and solid61 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Hooli Posted October 22, 2018 Share Posted October 22, 2018 Have you driven it in a downpour yet? the noise of the rain hitting the roof might make you think it is hailing. Not yet... Point n squirt did work well on the A629/A65 to get past all the professionals* who struggle to pass 35mph in 60 zones. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richardthestag Posted October 22, 2018 Share Posted October 22, 2018 Richardthestag did it last year or earlier this year I forget which. These don't even have a dipstick so I can't check the level either but as there is no leak apparent & Richard obviously knows his way around cars I'd expect it to be correct. At some point I'll talk to the local Jag specialist about the rear subframe bushes so I'll ask about this at the same time. Ah that bloody gearbox ZF 5HP24 had special fluid developed specifically for it. Jaguar then advise that the box was seal for life, alas the life was that of the gearbox and not the car! when fatha thestag bought the car there was no history at all with it aside from a couple of sheets of paper. fatha tried to contact the previous owners for any further detail without any response. I check for metal top tensioners in the engine which it had. fatha thestag then lobbed it into his local carcare for a service, I think you should have the receipt for that, fluid change and all. They didnt touch the gearbox at this point. I found the specialist fluid, not cheap stuff, the filter and gaskets and fatha thestag got the fluid changed at carcare following the procedure found online. the old fluid was not burned but was very dirty. This was promising I think. The gearbox after the fluid change was much more responsive and smooth between 1-2 which it wasnt before. However when I was at home 200 miles away, dad starts it up, from cold and within a few hundred yards gearbox fault popped up on the dash followed by limp mode, through over phone diagnosis with dad we found that switch off and back on cleared the fault. it went back in to carcare with more fluid, it was drained again, less dirty but far from cherry, new filter I think. By this time I was back in Devon. we found that by starting it and running the gear selector through the gate and back again it would behave. If however the fault did occur, switching off, back on would clear it. only ever happened with a couple of hundred yards of starting. I am almost certain now that this fault was linked to the failing battery. 12.6v static is needed from the battery before starting. anything less = Christmas tree lights and spurious messages on the dash However by this point the slight whirr had developed on changing from 1-2 but really only from cold. I never noticed the clonk or delay, BUT then I drive like a nun as engines warm up. So it is possible that the clonk existed back then but I never noticed. I think also it may well have gone in for a 3rd fluid change also. The whirr continued. I found a world of zf 5hp specialists are available, google is your friend. none of them was prepared to comment over the phone but to bring it in to "av a look" however these folk were all miles away so never bothered. I ran it up and down the motorway and it got smoother so put it down to high mileage. lack of dipstick is just a shit idea on these boxes and I think that has been recognised by just about every forum of any installation of the flippin ZF 5HP box. There is loads and loads of stuff on line but suspect that autobox specialist for ZF 5HP would be the first port of enquiry as there is a world of scaremongering and fake news Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Hooli Posted October 22, 2018 Share Posted October 22, 2018 Ah that bloody gearbox ZF 5HP24 had special fluid developed specifically for it. Jaguar then advise that the box was seal for life, alas the life was that of the gearbox and not the car! when fatha thestag bought the car there was no history at all with it aside from a couple of sheets of paper. fatha tried to contact the previous owners for any further detail without any response. I check for metal top tensioners in the engine which it had. fatha thestag then lobbed it into his local carcare for a service, I think you should have the receipt for that, fluid change and all. They didnt touch the gearbox at this point. I found the specialist fluid, not cheap stuff, the filter and gaskets and fatha thestag got the fluid changed at carcare following the procedure found online. the old fluid was not burned but was very dirty. This was promising I think. The gearbox after the fluid change was much more responsive and smooth between 1-2 which it wasnt before. However when I was at home 200 miles away, dad starts it up, from cold and within a few hundred yards gearbox fault popped up on the dash followed by limp mode, through over phone diagnosis with dad we found that switch off and back on cleared the fault. it went back in to carcare with more fluid, it was drained again, less dirty but far from cherry, new filter I think. By this time I was back in Devon. we found that by starting it and running the gear selector through the gate and back again it would behave. If however the fault did occur, switching off, back on would clear it. only ever happened with a couple of hundred yards of starting. I am almost certain now that this fault was linked to the failing battery. 12.6v static is needed from the battery before starting. anything less = Christmas tree lights and spurious messages on the dash However by this point the slight whirr had developed on changing from 1-2 but really only from cold. I never noticed the clonk or delay, BUT then I drive like a nun as engines warm up. So it is possible that the clonk existed back then but I never noticed. I think also it may well have gone in for a 3rd fluid change also. The whirr continued. I found a world of zf 5hp specialists are available, google is your friend. none of them was prepared to comment over the phone but to bring it in to "av a look" however these folk were all miles away so never bothered. I ran it up and down the motorway and it got smoother so put it down to high mileage. lack of dipstick is just a shit idea on these boxes and I think that has been recognised by just about every forum of any installation of the flippin ZF 5HP box. There is loads and loads of stuff on line but suspect that autobox specialist for ZF 5HP would be the first port of enquiry as there is a world of scaremongering and fake news Thanks for the info. I tend to be gentle to cars till they warm up too & the fault when cold is worst when accelerating with a very light throttle. Considering you didn't notice it to the degree I have & that it suddenly seems a lot better today I'm sticking to me theory that a bit of dislodged dirt has moved from somewhere important to somewhere unimportant. richardthestag 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richardthestag Posted October 22, 2018 Share Posted October 22, 2018 there is a lot of noise about the clonk being a broken valve block. as yours aint doing it any more I favour the "got crap in the gearbox" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Furious Posted October 22, 2018 Share Posted October 22, 2018 Crikey, with no dipstick how are you even supposed to know what the level is at? Or is it a case of "sealed 4 life so you don't need to know" Its a totally different animal, because comparatively speaking mine is out of the ARK, but my Mk2 Granada loses ATF at the rate of about 500ml per 500 miles. It doesn't drop any, so I can only assume that the vacuum diaphragm on the pipe from the inlet is leaking slightly and allowing it to be sucked up into the inlet manifold and burned. Anyway, once it drops about half a litre it will start banging into 2nd gear when cold. Its surprising really that losing half a litre from a 6-7 litre system makes a difference but it definitely does. Once warmed up its fine and once topped up the problem goes away completely until the level drops again. Because its not a daily driver I just top it up regularly and ignore it, but without a dipstick you're at a bit of a loss, if it was me i'd be tempted to add another half litre of ATF and see if it made a difference. If its not that then it shouldn't overfill it enough to cause an issue, if it is level related you should notice an immediate improvement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Hooli Posted October 22, 2018 Share Posted October 22, 2018 Crikey, with no dipstick how are you even supposed to know what the level is at? Or is it a case of "sealed 4 life so you don't need to know" Its a totally different animal, because comparatively speaking mine is out of the ARK, but my Mk2 Granada loses ATF at the rate of about 500ml per 500 miles. It doesn't drop any, so I can only assume that the vacuum diaphragm on the pipe from the inlet is leaking slightly and allowing it to be sucked up into the inlet manifold and burned. Anyway, once it drops about half a litre it will start banging into 2nd gear when cold. Its surprising really that losing half a litre from a 6-7 litre system makes a difference but it definitely does. Once warmed up its fine and once topped up the problem goes away completely until the level drops again. Because its not a daily driver I just top it up regularly and ignore it, but without a dipstick you're at a bit of a loss, if it was me i'd be tempted to add another half litre of ATF and see if it made a difference. If its not that then it shouldn't overfill it enough to cause an issue, if it is level related you should notice an immediate improvement. I like that theory & a slight overfill on the Saab did improve that when it was previously leaking. However I will continue with the ignoring it's demands for attention procedure first, it often works on puppies and seems to have worked on cars/bikes in the past. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Hooli Posted October 25, 2018 Share Posted October 25, 2018 Gearbox update! I might have fixed it by breaking it.... Coming home tonight I booted it out of a T junction to fit in a gap in the traffic, the traffic then stopped so I had to brake hard just as it started to change gear badly into 2nd plus the ASC light lit up. Once I stopped orange LED came back on & it showed 'Gearbox Fault' on the display, along with not giving me any drive at all. I then turned it off & on again. It's now driving fine & the gear change 1st to 2nd was almost perfect right away, normally it's bangy till I get home. I'll see what happens tomorrow morning but fingers crossed that upsetting it that much has forced it to reset something learnt & it'll now behave. Dan_ZTT, Broadsword, Squire_Dawson and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SiC Posted October 25, 2018 Share Posted October 25, 2018 I bet you nearly marked the seats when it lost all drive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Hooli Posted October 25, 2018 Share Posted October 25, 2018 I bet you nearly marked the seats when it lost all drive. It was more of a 'ffs why doesn't it work?' moment. If it hadn't worked after a power cycle then I'd have started getting grumpy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Hooli Posted October 26, 2018 Share Posted October 26, 2018 Morning update, it is smoother! not perfect but a lot better. It's now at defcon level 'hmm thats slighly annoying' rather than 'bugger must fix that'. Takes about half the distance to start working properly too. I'd call that a fix* richardthestag 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bangernomics Posted October 26, 2018 Share Posted October 26, 2018 There’s a couple of ways of resting the adaptions on the box too, ones the drive at 50 then slow, then 50 etc and the others using the diagnostic which I still have if you’re around the NW I can reset it for you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Hooli Posted October 26, 2018 Share Posted October 26, 2018 There’s a couple of ways of resting the adaptions on the box too, ones the drive at 50 then slow, then 50 etc and the others using the diagnostic which I still have if you’re around the NW I can reset it for you. I'm Doncaster but if you ever get to the Powerhouse meets I'm normally there. It'd be interesting to reset it completely & see what happens if it can be arranged. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squire_Dawson Posted October 26, 2018 Share Posted October 26, 2018 I bet you nearly marked the seats when it lost all drive. Hooli is unflappable. He would've just said something like 'fuck' and carried on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Hooli Posted October 27, 2018 Share Posted October 27, 2018 Indeed Squire. One has standards to maintain now so words like 'oh damn and blast it that's a bit of a bugger' were voiced quietly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Hooli Posted October 27, 2018 Share Posted October 27, 2018 Bodgery ahoy! I need to seal the hole in the floor before winter really comes in and as I can't weld filler seems the obvious answer for now. I'm already sporting three plasters as the trim for the metal bit that holds the carpet down on the sill has rather sharp edges and I started the bleed everywhere after grabbing it to pull it off, it's attached with double sided sticky foam you see. You've seen the hole from underneath before so here is the inside view while I wait for the rust killer to dry. It doesn't look like a hole here as the inner wing goes under the floor pan and that seam has rotted. Meaning a kinda horizontal hole going backwards that water can creep back up. While that dries I'm scraping the sticky foam off the trim strip, bets on how many more cuts I get off the damned thing? I will then press some fibreglass bridging compound (the professional choice it says on the tin) into the gap until it's full and water tight. The underside will then get a dab of underseal to ensure protection and we'll all live happily ever after. richardthestag, oldcars and Squire_Dawson 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Hooli Posted October 27, 2018 Share Posted October 27, 2018 And bodged.I'll let it dry for a bit and then put it all back together. I mixed too much so I slipped it in anyway and pushed hard to fill all the gap. I might need to tidy it underneath before the underseal but I've not looked yet to find out. oldcars, Stevebrookman, Squire_Dawson and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Hooli Posted October 27, 2018 Share Posted October 27, 2018 Why are the easy jobs never easy? I've put it all back together but the shiney trim strip that glues on top of the sills won't stay stuck & nor is is smooth & flat like it used to be. I even bought some explensive sticky foam tape that's guaranteed* to stick metal. Aye right, does it bollocks! I've stuck both sides of the tape down with gorilla glue & clamped the whole lot together with a spare bit of 2x3" clamped on top of it. It seems to be working but I've got to leave the car out there with the door open for another hour or so while it dries. It's still going to look shabby now the strip isn't smooth though, what an annoying design that is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Hooli Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 Gearbox update the 'break/fix'TM solution has been a resounding success. I'd say it's 75% improved on cold mornings to when I first got the car and the issue vanishes in less time as the box warms up too. Based on my experiences with them modern* autoboxes are best fixed* by just ignoring them till they shut up, bit like upset puppies really. richardthestag, Tickman, RobT and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richardthestag Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 Gearbox update the 'break/fix'TM solution has been a resounding success. I'd say it's 75% improved on cold mornings to when I first got the car and the issue vanishes in less time as the box warms up too. Based on my experiences with them modern* autoboxes are best fixed* by just ignoring them till they shut up, bit like upset puppies really. does it still chatter on gear changes? I reckon on a bit of crap getting dislodged maybe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Hooli Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 does it still chatter on gear changes? I reckon on a bit of crap getting dislodged maybe. Yeah it does till fully warmed up, so a bit of dirt makes sense to me too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Hooli Posted November 2, 2018 Share Posted November 2, 2018 Smool update on running costs for such an expensive* car. I've just trundled back n forth to work in this all week. A massive 9.5miles each way that's about 50/50 country roads and town work. The dash is showing the 18.6mpg for the week. That's a huge* reduction from the 19.5mpg the Saab would show doing the same trips. Oh and the distance during which the gearbox plays up is still getting shorter so I'll ignore it for longer.... richardthestag, bangernomics, brandersnatch and 4 others 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Hooli Posted November 6, 2018 Share Posted November 6, 2018 1,000miles completed in this yesterday. Update - Not broke it yet... brandersnatch, richardthestag, dome and 4 others 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Hooli Posted November 6, 2018 Share Posted November 6, 2018 Minor update I manually checked the OMGMPGS tonight. The trip computer is pessimistic if anything. It was saying 20.4 and manually working it out gives 20.48.That's after a week of short trips to work, two days of stop start traffic to Leeds n back and the run over to Glossop tonight. Seems pretty reasonable to me. Gearbox has changed its noise too. The chatter is now more of a groan. It's a very commuicative drive lol Squire_Dawson 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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