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#82771 OFFLINE   bub2006

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Posted 11 October 2018 - 09:19 PM

Wow. Just wow.

Do you have another son I wasn't aware of? Because this doesn't sound like Rhys at all.

Hope it works out, mate.

Seriously mate he can come across so innocent to people but he is a big trouble causer.

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Posted 11 October 2018 - 09:36 PM

Get up early after they have had a session and wake the fucked up. Use Any excuse. Make fake parcels and tell him theyve been delivered to you. Knock on his door, tell him you are mowing your front lawn, would he like you to do his. Put your music on at full blast at 7 am and go and sit in the garden.
Drill with hammer action into the shared walls.
Always complain. But not when it's happening. Stop him on his way to work, thus forcing him to talk to you when he's late already.
Get a solicitor to get an injunction.

 

i think they need an argos catalogue or some shefag :mrgreen:


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Posted 11 October 2018 - 10:45 PM

Not really. When I was booted into private education in 1981, Latin was compulsory from age 11 onwards up to 15. I remember it being fun, and it taught me how grammar works, the origins of language and why we (still) have the words that we do.



And loads of our words have nothing to do with Latin at all. It's all a result of Bill the Conk successfully invading us 952 years ago. The Harrying of the North was spectacularly brutal, in an attempt to rid England of any rebuttal of this invasion by the pseudo-French.

As I've spouted here before, the Scots moan of their 300 years of subjugation by Westminster whereas The North of England (which was pivotal in the Industrial Revolution and gave the British Isles such a lead in the world) has been under the thumb of a Norman system for 1000 years.

I'm hugely in favour of schools teaching such fascinating and disciplinary languages as Latin (why not more Ancient Greek, it's way more of an interesting culture and language) which have a bearing of the words we use now, but why not Ancient Scandinavian languages also?
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Posted 12 October 2018 - 05:39 AM

I agree about synthetic phonics. My neices are being tawt/tort (sic) this way and their spelling is weird. My sister and I had flash cards which my mum diligently kept but hasn't been allowed to use for her grandchildren. They read a lot, but it has taken a long time for them to realise that what they read is connected to how they spell.


When my wife worked in "School of Scalls" in netherton Bootle she would tell the kids to put on their best Telephone voice and try to sound like the queen was phoning them.
Also used to tell them to put their BBC world service voice on, but obviously they had no idea what she was going on about.

She once recorded the shipping forecast and had them try to mimic the accent.

Fucking Scallies she should have told them to talk like the Magistrate that was sending their mum's boyfriend down for getting caught stealing Christmas from Matalan.
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Posted 12 October 2018 - 08:49 AM

I used to teach English as a foreign language to adults and my instinct was that phonics was bunk - or at least unsuitable for English.

If you understand how Italian pronunciation works you can read pretty much anything aloud, even if you don't understand what you're saying. English spelling, however, has more exceptions than rules.

This isn't a new issue. My mum was taught to use the rules of Latin grammar on her English, leading her to tut at every episode of Star Trek. This is silly: it's fine to boldly split an infinitive in English, just as it's fine to pick up the ball in rugby (unless you're trying to play it using the rules of football).

When teaching, the question is always about outcomes. Why are we doing this? What's the point of teaching kids to read words out if they don't know what they're saying?
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Posted 12 October 2018 - 10:54 AM

.... What's the point of teaching kids to read words out if they don't know what they're saying?

 

The same question might be asked of politicians making statements.....


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Posted 12 October 2018 - 11:00 AM

I used to teach English as a foreign language to adults and my instinct was that phonics was bunk - or at least unsuitable for English.

If you understand how Italian pronunciation works you can read pretty much anything aloud, even if you don't understand what you're saying. English spelling, however, has more exceptions than rules.

This isn't a new issue. My mum was taught to use the rules of Latin grammar on her English, leading her to tut at every episode of Star Trek. This is silly: it's fine to boldly split an infinitive in English, just as it's fine to pick up the ball in rugby (unless you're trying to play it using the rules of football).

When teaching, the question is always about outcomes. Why are we doing this? What's the point of teaching kids to read words out if they don't know what they're saying?

 

 

I quite agree.

 

I'm not a psychologist but there are many studies out there that show that the simple act of communicating with and to children improves their knowledge of English.  The most critical time period for this is before formal education even starts.  Reading and writing are things that can be taught effectively any number of ways and this focus on one method that I also feel is inherently unsuitable for the English language is a major mistake.  It does work - but there are so many other methods that also work.

 

To be honest, I'm not the best judge of this because I could read and write before I ever stepped into a classroom.  I'd be interested in knowing what experience others have had...


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Posted 12 October 2018 - 11:30 AM

I used to teach English as a foreign language to adults and my instinct was that phonics was bunk - or at least unsuitable for English.

If you understand how Italian pronunciation works you can read pretty much anything aloud, even if you don't understand what you're saying. English spelling, however, has more exceptions than rules.

This isn't a new issue. My mum was taught to use the rules of Latin grammar on her English, leading her to tut at every episode of Star Trek. This is silly: it's fine to boldly split an infinitive in English, just as it's fine to pick up the ball in rugby (unless you're trying to play it using the rules of football).

When teaching, the question is always about outcomes. Why are we doing this? What's the point of teaching kids to read words out if they don't know what they're saying?


Why would you teach anyone to read out words in their native tongue that they don't know? Surely children are taught to read using simple books containing words they already know.Once they have some level of literacy then more advanced texts are gradually introduced,and also the use of a dictionary with pronunciations can be taught.
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Posted 12 October 2018 - 11:37 AM

Why would you teach anyone to read out words in their native tongue that they don't know? Surely children are taught to read using simple books containing words they already know.Once they have some level of literacy then more advanced texts are gradually introduced,and also the use of a dictionary with pronunciations can be taught.

 

Out of interest and maybe a touch OT, what is the current Irish approach to this, and does it differ from how it was done when you were in school?


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Posted 12 October 2018 - 12:02 PM

I was brought up in Wales myself,not Ireland.My Mother went to school in Ireland and left at the age of 12 in 1939.She was a very fluent reader and writer.
I believe that phonics is an important part of teaching reading here.I have no children myself,but friend's children all read very well,and my own opinion is that the Irish education system is superior to the English one.I believe that around 20% of those in their late teens are functionally illiterate in England.

A friend of mine who has two small girls is thinking of moving to Birmingham next year.I'm trying to think of a tactful way of enquiring as to his sanity, particularly regarding what the move would mean for the girls'education.They are in a really good local Gaelscoil now.Gaelscoils are Irish medium,but they speak,read,and write English to a very high standard for their age.
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Posted 12 October 2018 - 12:07 PM

I suppose the high rate of functional illiteracy in the UK is down to society's general attitude towards literacy.Oh well, even if the children can't read,at least they are world leaders in making Plasticine worms.

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Posted 12 October 2018 - 12:10 PM

Having spent a lot of time in recent years working with Irish colleagues (mainly in Dublin, but in other parts of Ireland too) my anecdotal experience is that the education system does seem superior.  Not only that but the levels of good manners, decency and sense of humour have been better than many of my UK/US colleagues. 


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Posted 12 October 2018 - 12:11 PM

..... even if the children can't read, at least they are world leaders in making Plasticine worms. go into government

 

FTFY.


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Posted 12 October 2018 - 01:27 PM

On Anglesey at the moment. Bit breezy but didn't seem too bad so I went for a walk around the block. It's bad. Something flying through the air hit me on the side of the head, knocked my glasses off. Amazingly, I found them about 20 yards away stuck in bushes (ever tried to find something when you're short sighted and don't have glasses on? Not easy...). Right lens badly chipped and scratched, pad missing but could have been worse.

 

So yeah, if you're in the bad weather, watch yourself!


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Posted 12 October 2018 - 01:39 PM

Why would you teach anyone to read out words in their native tongue that they don't know? Surely children are taught to read using simple books containing words they already know.Once they have some level of literacy then more advanced texts are gradually introduced,and also the use of a dictionary with pronunciations can be taught.


Nope. That’s not how it’s done...

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Posted 12 October 2018 - 01:45 PM

Nope. That’s not how it’s done...


Well that's how it used to be done.The improvements* in the education system since the sixties seem to have resulted in a regression of standards.
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Posted 12 October 2018 - 02:07 PM

Well that's how it used to be done.The improvements* in the education system since the sixties seem to have resulted in a regression of standards.

 

 

I think I've addressed this in a previous post.  Bar specific issues like Phonics, I think education is much, much better than it has been at any other point.  Outcomes have certainly improved enormously.



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Posted 12 October 2018 - 02:21 PM

Well according to the OECD,the UK is bottom in the developed world for literacy and second bottom for numeracy.So these vast improvements seem to be rather theoretical, unless you are comparing the present with the time before the 1870 Education Act.

Look at the average private eBay ad for a car.Does it look like it comes from a country where literacy standards are better than ever and "outcomes" are better than ever?
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Posted 12 October 2018 - 02:57 PM

On Anglesey at the moment. Bit breezy but didn't seem too bad so I went for a walk around the block. It's bad. Something flying through the air hit me on the side of the head, knocked my glasses off. Amazingly, I found them about 20 yards away stuck in bushes (ever tried to find something when you're short sighted and don't have glasses on? Not easy...). Right lens badly chipped and scratched, pad missing but could have been worse.

So yeah, if you're in the bad weather, watch yourself!


Parents live in Llandonna. I suspect if the wind gets worse they will be replacing the greenhouse again for the er third time.

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Posted 12 October 2018 - 03:01 PM

You may well be right. Just stepped outside to get something from the car, got about 10 yards before I thought better of it and went straight back in the house.



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Posted 12 October 2018 - 08:26 PM

Not really. When I was booted into private education in 1981, Latin was compulsory from age 11 onwards up to 15. I remember it being fun, and it taught me how grammar works, the origins of language and why we (still) have the words that we do.


I did Latin in comprehensive school for two years from about 1983. Oh poor caecilius!
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Posted 12 October 2018 - 08:50 PM

Was in Iceland (the supermarket not the country ) yesterday woman on till late 20s was in a flap as till roll had run out & she didn't now how much change to give me without it!

I'd spent £7 & gave her £10!
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Posted 12 October 2018 - 09:09 PM

Not really. When I was booted into private education in 1981, Latin was compulsory from age 11 onwards up to 15. I remember it being fun, and it taught me how grammar works, the origins of language and why we (still) have the words that we do.

 

 

Latin was fine.  The odd part for me was that I was in a state school and I started in 1999...



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Posted 12 October 2018 - 09:10 PM

I did Latin in comprehensive school for two years from about 1983. Oh poor caecilius!

 

 

Canis est in via...

 

Grumio est anxius...


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Posted 12 October 2018 - 09:18 PM

I did Latin in comprehensive school for two years from about 1983. Oh poor caecilius!

 

 

Cambridge Latin course. I remember it well with my Latin & Classics teachers.

 

Caecilius est pater et dominus. Metella in horto vinum bibit. Grumio in culina coquaat.

 

Best word I learnt in Latin? block & tackle - polyspaston


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Posted 12 October 2018 - 09:19 PM

Romanes eunt domus?
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Posted 12 October 2018 - 09:22 PM

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Posted 12 October 2018 - 09:24 PM

Romanes eunt domus?

have you rememberd to conjugate the verb?

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now write it out 150 times.

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Posted 12 October 2018 - 09:25 PM

Was in Iceland (the supermarket not the country ) yesterday woman on till late 20s was in a flap as till roll had run out & she didn't now how much change to give me without it!

I'd spent £7 & gave her £10!


I hope you persuaded her that you'd take £5 change to make it easy and she could keep the difference.
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Posted 13 October 2018 - 03:52 AM

My son is doing Latin as part of the gifted and talented set. It’s one of the few subjects he actually makes an effort in.

He just scored 98% on a Cambridge Latin comprehension competition in an intra school test which apparently is the highest ever scored which isn’t bad for a monosyllabic Brooklyn Beckham lookalike who spends all day playing Counterstrike..

I did two years of it in grammar school. Canis est in horo is about all I can remember. That and Grumio est in Canis but I think that’s illegal....
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