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#271 OFFLINE   PhilA

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Posted 13 September 2018 - 03:07 PM

Quite possibly. There's a lot of "don't need this wire" and snip, leaving the cut wire dangling.

I'm looking at replacing the gauges with VDO standard movements. They're 90 degree gauges like the originals, but the original gauges are a twin voice coil style. They need a 6 Volt feed to create the locking magnet and then vary the current through a second coil at 90 degrees to the first to move the needle. Not good for a 12V system.
Changing the movements to something modern means also modern sensors are available (VDO at least are still around).

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Posted 13 September 2018 - 08:04 PM

Convinced SWMBO that 4x off-brand VDO knockoff gauges v. important to have. Can get a sensor that has both thermistor and a closure switch to bring in on a warning light for overheat for the engine, oil pressure sender unit is again standard and ditto fuel tank sender unit.

Next task, trying to figure out how to remove the dashboard.

I think this will represent the point of no return for the electrics. I'll probably rig up a hotwire so I can start it up and move it easily but the rest will begin to be pulled out.

Next paycheck I'll order some wire and crimps. I'm thinking a couple multiplugs for things like the dash to make life a little easier.

My oil can and hot air gun arrived today too. Woo!

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Posted 13 September 2018 - 08:41 PM

Would you keep it 6v, or has too much already been done? It would be a ball-ache to convert the instruments certainly. Plus 6v batteries give more power.


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Posted 13 September 2018 - 09:04 PM

Too much has been done and torn out already that I'm just going to go ahead and convert it properly to 12V.

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Posted 13 September 2018 - 09:08 PM

Fair cop. Naturally, I would've kept it a sixer, but that's just me!


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Posted 13 September 2018 - 09:15 PM

The lighting has all been changed, the generator is gone, control box gone, horns are gone, battery box gone.

The starter is still the 6V one but that's a case of "don't hold it on start for too long". It is the size of a small waste paper basket so can handle low duty cycle at 12V. I'll just keep an eye on the brushes.

I'm wanting to put some more modern pieces in behind the scenes, radio and such. 6V is actually a complete pain in the behind here- all mail order. Everything 12V on the car I can get off the shelf at any local motor factors so on the road repairs are significantly simplified and reduced in time.

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I'm not going to go out and try jetwash some of this crap off...

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Posted 13 September 2018 - 09:21 PM

What about powering the gauges & senders off one of the many cheap Chinese adjustable regulator modules to convert down to 6v?
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Posted 13 September 2018 - 09:21 PM

Was that heating system a special order for colder states or standard? Looking with envy at what you've posted the whole car has features that would be associated with much more recent cars in the UK.

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Posted 13 September 2018 - 09:27 PM

What about powering the gauges & senders off one of the many cheap Chinese adjustable regulator modules to convert down to 6v?

I was thinking about it but I have to pull it to bits to replace the oil pressure gauge.. if I have to do that then I'll just convert it to electric because any old gauge is likely to have the same fault, the senders have been changed anyway and I can't find the correct Pontiac one easily and the fuel tank sender is U/S. So, convert the lot to modern senders and negate the pain while retaining the look and feel of the originals.

(Says you, three speedometers later!)

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Posted 13 September 2018 - 09:30 PM

Was that heating system a special order for colder states or standard? Looking with envy at what you've posted the whole car has features that would be associated with much more recent cars in the UK.


Special order. As was the demister heater and fan unit. And the dipping rear view mirror, and the traffic light viewer, indicators, radio and deluxe interior package (nicer material, two tone door cards with the silver trim). 8 cylinder engine with automatic gearbox was also optional extras, exterior side trim too.

Someone checked quite a lot of boxes when they ordered this car.

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Posted 13 September 2018 - 09:42 PM

https://rover.ebay.c...tm/282867391119
Or (depending on room)
https://rover.ebay.c...tm/253672811529

And an Arduino/PIC/etc.

You know you want to! ;)
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Posted 13 September 2018 - 10:35 PM

 8 cylinder engine with automatic gearbox was also optional extras, exterior side trim too.

Someone checked quite a lot of boxes when they ordered this car.

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what normally? 6 in line - what size?



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Posted 13 September 2018 - 11:16 PM

what normally? 6 in line - what size?

3.9 straight six. It's basically this engine missing two cylinders.

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Posted 13 September 2018 - 11:20 PM

New oil can. It's nice.

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Took the spats off the car to clean the rear wheels. Looks quite different without them.

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Lots of crap on the driveway.

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Worth it, quite a satisfying result.

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Posted 13 September 2018 - 11:22 PM

https://rover.ebay.c...tm/282867391119
Or (depending on room)
https://rover.ebay.c...tm/253672811529
And an Arduino/PIC/etc.
You know you want to! ;)

I would but I already ordered the voice coil gauges. I'm aiming for moderate simplicity on this car.

The most I had considered practically is a interior theatre light conversion (stays on for a while after the doors are closed, then fades off).


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Posted 14 September 2018 - 06:36 AM

I had a 6v Beetle with a seperate 12v battery just for the starter.
The 12v battery only needed an overnight charge every few weeks; starting was so quick with the extra starter volts. The engine was an oil burner, absolutely knackered and an impossible bastard to start on the 6v battery.
The starter motor had a MUCH easier life with double volts.

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Posted 14 September 2018 - 01:25 PM

Yeah, this one has no trouble at all. It's rare to have to hold the starter on for more than a second, usually a quick flick and it's running.

Electric fuel pump has a lot to do with that also.


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Posted 14 September 2018 - 04:02 PM

New gauges have shipped from that there India this morning via FedEx.

Apparently they'll be here before October.

Quite impressive really. Especially so for $29 delivered; I guess I'll see if it was folly or financial sense to have bought them when they get here and I pull them to bits.
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Posted 14 September 2018 - 05:03 PM

Also went in to investigate the spiderweb in the front of the car (will need to spray for bugs now, looks like a brown widow web, and I do not need one of those up inside the dashboard) and found the fourth green lens circle for the gearshift indicator under the front seat. It must have fallen out when I undid the mechanism. I'll put that back in when I fix the bulb.

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Posted 14 September 2018 - 07:00 PM

New gauges have shipped from that there India this morning via FedEx.

Apparently they'll be here before October.

Quite impressive really. Especially so for $29 delivered; I guess I'll see if it was folly or financial sense to have bought them when they get here and I pull them to bits.


Did you tell them what sensor ranges they needed to work for? I messaged about at set of specials and they were confident they could do them at the same price, the gauges from India are common on tractors apparently and I haven't heard any moaning.

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Posted 14 September 2018 - 07:14 PM

Yup, all standard VDO ranges (VW I think).

I bought the gauges based on the premise I'm changing the sensors.

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Posted 14 September 2018 - 11:28 PM

Is it time yet?

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Pulled the clock apart because it was filthy.

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It's a Jaeger movement inside and putting a battery on it makes it tick. I should be able to run this one through a resistor.

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It's also freaking awesome when it's lit up.

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Looks much nicer back in the dash, too.


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Posted 15 September 2018 - 10:49 AM

Is it time yet?

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Pulled the clock apart because it was filthy.

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It's a Jaeger movement inside and putting a battery on it makes it tick. I should be able to run this one through a resistor.

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It's also freaking awesome when it's lit up.

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Looks much nicer back in the dash, too.


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jimmy buffett


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Posted 15 September 2018 - 10:53 AM

Also went in to investigate the spiderweb in the front of the car (will need to spray for bugs now, looks like a brown widow web, and I do not need one of those up inside the dashboard) and found the fourth green lens circle for the gearshift indicator under the front seat. It must have fallen out when I undid the mechanism. I'll put that back in when I fix the bulb.
Phil

My brother lives in the states and has told me about a few of the precautions he has had to take because of spiders, even when doing stuff like getting a new fridge when he was in Tucson, what a different world. Over here if you get a web you wipe it off with your hand or give a blast with WD40 if you are wuss.
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Posted 15 September 2018 - 12:04 PM

Yup. As a rule, you don't reach into any space you've not thoroughly inspected. Adult brown widow web will make your fingers sting too if you grab it.

An angry one will put you in the hospital at best or a coffin if it gets you properly.

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Posted 15 September 2018 - 02:35 PM

Just thinking on appropriate circuits to use to drive the clock. I think I'll transistorize the contact points.

Before any of you complain, this is as much a safety feature as a convenience; if the points jam, these clocks seem to have a habit of going up in smoke.

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Posted 15 September 2018 - 07:52 PM

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Decided to nix the electronic points deal; this circuit will kinda protect the clock from drawing too much current.

I've cleaned and lubricated it, adjusted the points and it's quietly ticking away on my desk.

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Posted 15 September 2018 - 09:51 PM

Went outside to put a bit more oil on some of the cables and mechanisms. Ended up seeing if the paint would hold a shine up front.

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Not too bad. I think I do need a machine polisher though, that there was hard work just by itself...


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Posted 15 September 2018 - 10:28 PM

mmmmmmm shiney


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Posted 15 September 2018 - 11:51 PM

It all looks so frickin' awesome.


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