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1951 Pontiac Chieftain - Odds 'n' Ends

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#31 OFFLINE   hairnet

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Posted 29 August 2018 - 05:29 PM

will the first job be when you collect to squash the bmw with it parked there :D


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Posted 29 August 2018 - 05:36 PM

Glad you got it in the end. Lovely looking car.
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Posted 29 August 2018 - 06:03 PM

Top work, very nice!
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Posted 29 August 2018 - 06:07 PM

Thanks for all the kind remarks. The pictures flatter it, honestly!

The scene calls for 2 doors, but in this case the difference in shape is negligible. Plus, the two door versions don't get rear quarterlight windows.

Honestly, from pictures the block in this looks similar to Packard's engine. It may be the same, it can find its roots back in the thirties. For the age, it's a fairly advanced design, all bearing surfaces are pressure fed with oil, the weak points are the conrods if you over-rev it. Cast iron pistons, coated with tin see this to being a low-revving but torque-laden lump.

Busman: $5300, or by today's exchange rate £4074.

I believe this to be the original color scheme. I quite like the sky blue, so it's going to hang around.

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Posted 29 August 2018 - 06:31 PM

That is very lovely.  I love American cars and have a 30 plus fleet in 1:43 scale!

 

Remember my wee daughter being engrossed by an early 50s Packard at Northampton about ten years ago.  Might have been a '51?

 

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Has it been lowered?  Looks quite low to the ground

 

 


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Posted 29 August 2018 - 06:55 PM

That's a '52 or newer with that gearshift. Very similar inside though!

It's sitting at standard ride height as far as I can tell. The wheels are tucked down deep into the arches and the front overhang gives an impression of being lower than it is.

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Posted 29 August 2018 - 07:14 PM

Now that’s an automobile! I just love American cars of this era, they are like works of art..
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Posted 29 August 2018 - 07:18 PM

Blimey Phil I never saw that coming!

You are the Guvnor ;)

Top buy gold stars for you sir for a job well done :)


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Just remember I told you so! ;-)


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Posted 29 August 2018 - 07:27 PM

That really does have road presence, looks splendid, congratulations and best of luck with the refurb.


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Posted 29 August 2018 - 07:38 PM

Lovely . I love the idea of a straight 8 I bet the crank shaft is flippin massive .
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I estimate this car needs £3000 maybe £4000 spending on it to get it rite and when this is done it will be wotrth about £1500!!


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Posted 29 August 2018 - 07:48 PM

Are we related in some way - superb car sir! I do like a good side-valver and 6 volt electrics. Pontiac made great publicity about these being 100,000 mile cars.


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Posted 29 August 2018 - 07:58 PM

Wonderful. What a fantastic-looking thing. I demand video!


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Posted 29 August 2018 - 08:00 PM

Lovely lovely lovely lovely lovely lovely.

 

A video walkaround and start up please!


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Posted 29 August 2018 - 08:16 PM

Video and more pictures shall be forthcoming once Collection Thread is complete. I promise!

It's actually really quite quiet. It has a straight through exhaust from the factory. Imagine a Morris Minor idling, just with more attitude.

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Posted 29 August 2018 - 08:18 PM

Video and more pictures shall be forthcoming once Collection Thread is complete. I promise!

It's actually really quite quiet. It has a straight through exhaust from the factory. Imagine a Morris Minor idling, just with more attitude.

Phil

Are we going to see your Fuelly Sig change to the Chieftain and single figures Phil?


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Posted 29 August 2018 - 08:27 PM

5300 dollars for that beauty or 4995 for that pile of crap next to it in the first picture. I'd have done the same.
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Posted 29 August 2018 - 08:31 PM

Are we going to see your Fuelly Sig change to the Chieftain and single figures Phil?


Book is 12 city, 19-25 highway.

Research on comments on Pontiac internet fora suggests 15-18 MPG is realistic for everyday pottering (so in the low 20's UK MPG).

Considering it's 6.5:1 compression, it will probably run on anything and return about the same economy figures.

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Posted 29 August 2018 - 08:32 PM

Wonderful. What a fantastic-looking thing. I demand a go


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Posted 29 August 2018 - 08:33 PM

5300 dollars for that beauty or 4995 for that pile of crap next to it in the first picture. I'd have done the same.


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Posted 29 August 2018 - 08:34 PM

5300 dollars for that beauty or 4995 for that pile of crap next to it in the first picture. I'd have done the same.


But, that's down from $12,995.

A stack of paper with Benjamin Franklin on each one spoke out to the guy, who in all fairness was most excellent and wonderful to deal with.

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Posted 29 August 2018 - 08:42 PM

Excellent, I can totally see the appeal behind this. Sad to hear the Renault go but it sounds like domestic bliss will be restored with your new car, which is not an element to be underestimated. 

 

That's also quite a discount you got there! Looking forward to more photos and project progression. Imagine not having to deal with American-French bits anymore!


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Posted 29 August 2018 - 09:03 PM

5300 dollars for that beauty or 4995 for that pile of crap next to it in the first picture. I'd have done the same.


Definitely, that’s excellent value for money.....
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Posted 29 August 2018 - 09:51 PM

That is very lovely.  I love American cars and have a 30 plus fleet in 1:43 scale!

 

Remember my wee daughter being engrossed by an early 50s Packard at Northampton about ten years ago.  Might have been a '51?

 

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Has it been lowered?  Looks quite low to the ground

I think that is a Pontiac. Amazingly the more expensive Packards were much plainer inside.



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Posted 29 August 2018 - 09:56 PM

51 Packard. The 55's were more elaborate but by then it was too late for poor Packard sales had gone to Cadillac and Chrysler and Pontiac.

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Posted 29 August 2018 - 09:58 PM

Classy though but more in a European way. Not enought glitz for the Post War American buyer.



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Posted 29 August 2018 - 10:36 PM

Pictures from the advert, teaser material.

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Interior is in nice shape overall.

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Dashboard is DYNAMIC and STYLISH.

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Finally, the powerplant!


More when I have them.

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Posted 29 August 2018 - 10:38 PM

That looks really good.


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Posted 29 August 2018 - 11:10 PM

Now that’s an automobile! I just love American cars of this era, they are like works of art..

I think this qualifies as a locomotive! :D


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Posted 29 August 2018 - 11:26 PM

I think that is a Pontiac. Amazingly the more expensive Packards were much plainer inside.


You are right. Zoomed in on a big screen you can clearly see the Chieftain head and the word PONTIAC on the center of the steering wheel...
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Posted 30 August 2018 - 03:31 AM

Ace, nice find. Were you particularly looking for one of these, or just looking to spend some money?

Well, that's an interesting question. What began the ball rolling was actually the wife. Understand that she has an innate hatred for the styling of the Renault, so when her Facebook feed showed up a '65 Pontiac Catalina for sale locally for a very good price, she showed me and said that It Was A Car That She Did Not Mind The Look Of.
Circumstances however caused someone else to buy it before I could. Therefore, I did what any sane person would; I had a quiet sulk and started looking at cars on Craiglist. There was very little in my interest range on the New Orleans subsection so I broadened my search to center on Baton Rouge. Up pops this in the search, already reduced to $8k after 24 days of having been posted.
It was shown to the wife. She agreed that indeed, it was a fine looking automobile (Yeah, that one is okay).
To stop me nagging about it she agreed to take the road trip to go view it. Once I was certain it was not a complete basket case, that was it. It had to be mine. Ever since I got to drive a 1947 Humber Super Snipe about 20 years ago this era of vehicle had been etched into my mind. The price was reduced, reduced again.. a call was placed and the age-old question "What's your best price if I bring cash today?" was asked.

The rest is in this thread.

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