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#301 OFFLINE   LightBulbFun

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Posted 13 January 2019 - 02:06 AM

result kind of?

 

the guy very kindly got back to me with some info where I Think i was able to track down what he was talking about 

 

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sadly thats clearly not an AC Invacar model 70, it looks like a 1960s Reliant regal to me

 

at least it shows people are willing to help out random strangers :)


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Posted 13 January 2019 - 08:47 AM

What's that in the "driveway"?
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Posted 13 January 2019 - 08:54 AM

What's that in the "driveway"?

 

Some sort of Reliant based trike project?


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Posted 13 January 2019 - 09:53 AM

Tis a shame, but I guess now try that breakers in Norwich?


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Posted 14 January 2019 - 02:09 PM

time to wet yourself mr lightbulb:

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Posted 14 January 2019 - 03:24 PM

that was a very interesting watch, thank you for sharing it :)

 

I wonder how many people there would of thought there would still be a couple hundred Model 70s still running around in service into the millennium :)

 

its interesting to see what Looks like an AC Model 57 on a J plate there, I wonder what thats about?



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Posted 14 January 2019 - 04:03 PM

They were still made up till around 1970/71.


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Posted 14 January 2019 - 04:05 PM

and heres another of them moaning about how dangerous they are a year earlier.It is very interesting how their atttitude towards the trike changed once they realised that instead of replacing the trike,they would get given a fiver a week instead,take it or leave it!

https://player.bfi.o...ars-1975-online


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Posted 14 January 2019 - 04:43 PM

very interesting :)

 

its cool to see a Model 67 in action too, im curious why did they keep making Model 57s until 1970/1971 if the Model 67 was already on the scene?

 

I also think once again the Model 70 gets a bit unfairly tarred with the same brush, for example the guy mentions how his invalid carriage fell over when avoiding a pot hole but he mentions "it fell over onto the only door it has" which does not sound like a Model 70 to me.

 

as for safety was the Model 70 really that much unsafer then contemporary cars of the time? and I also do have to wonder how many of the accidents where just down the fact invalid carriage drivers never got proper driving lessons and a test compared to regular car drivers.

 

ah well, at least I got to see some more invacars in motion :)



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Posted 14 January 2019 - 05:09 PM

rose tinted glasses aside,yes,they were considerably more dangerous than anything on the road back then.

Handling wise the model 70 was no better than earlier ones in reality.Just the extra speed available made things worse.Ive got a which report from 1970 at home which has the results of a survey completed by around 18,000 trike drivers,makes for informative reading!


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Posted 14 January 2019 - 05:49 PM

ill have you know I wear DHSS blue tinted glasses! *humph*  :mrgreen: 

 

I am well aware they are not safe in the slightest, but im just wondering because most cars from that time are also not very safe, so I wonder how they compared especially to other micro/small cars at the time (from what I read model 70s actually has a better suspension setup then what Reliants had for example)



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Posted 14 January 2019 - 06:49 PM

Reliants weighed almost twice as much and had a proper steel chassis,the main problem with the Invacar was its light weight,ironically governed by regulation that it had to be under iirc 5cwt.the problem was cars had moved on a lot in the period between 1955 and 1975,and the trike hadn't.
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Posted 14 January 2019 - 07:00 PM

interesting I did not know the invalid carriage class had a weight limit :)

 

if my googling is correct 5CWT is 254Kg but a Model 70 weighs 417Kg, where the regulations relaxed for the Model 70? (I wonder how much a Model 67 weighs, as I cant imagine the Flat twin engine in the model 70 added all that much weight?)

 

(also from looking at the service manual and pictures, the Model 70 seems to have a fairly substantial steel chassis as thats where all the body work etc all bolt down to AFAIK?)



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Posted 14 January 2019 - 07:17 PM

The model 70 was over the weight limit,so fell in to tricycle tax rates rather than cheaper invalid carriage rates,to save embarrassment the dhss had to stump up the extra for every one on issue. Yes the flat twin and Salisbury drive ashy will weigh considerably more than a 197cc villiers single motorcycle engine! I have a dhss master catalogue upstairs,sort of a spec book for every trike available before the model 70,I'll see what weights are listed
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Posted 14 January 2019 - 07:27 PM

very interesting :)

 

id love to have a scan of that master catalogue for some more light* reading  :mrgreen:

 

 

Tis a shame, but I guess now try that breakers in Norwich?

 

quick google shows they have a website with a contact us page :)

 

http://www.wafrost.co.uk/

 

so ill think about firing off an email or something (I did try and see if I could spot anything from google earth but could not see anything)



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Posted 15 January 2019 - 03:23 AM

did some more sleuthing and it looks like Q202LDV ended up in Sweden with i think the same guy who owns TLX322, which I think was the one for sale last year (maybe still is for sale?)

 

https://www.instagra.../p/Bo4jLpGjtBB/

 

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edit: yep they ended up together :)

 

https://www.instagra.../p/Bi2pNjjltAP/

 

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Posted 15 January 2019 - 03:43 AM

Welp I finally sent the guy an email seeing as he had one advertised for sale here https://www.instagra.../p/BWabaETF7bd/

 

it was only after I sent the email did I realise he was asking €11K! not €1.1K as I thought I saw...

 

Wank  :mellow:

 

oh well, it will be interesting to see if he gets back to me regardless, this is what I sent :)

 

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Posted 15 January 2019 - 02:42 PM

Looking at that Google Maps link in Thamesmead, quite interesting to go back in time and see what used to be there - 
 
In 2014 a late Reliant Robin:
 
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By 2015, it's been interestingly modded with a vented matt black bonnet and Rostyle rear wheels!:

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Posted 16 January 2019 - 05:22 AM

very interesting I was not aware of the Model 67 thank you for the information :) looking at it again i also see the roof lacks the Ford Anglia/Citroen Ami swept backness to it that the model 70 has. (edit: now im (over) analysing it some more im not sure now if the model 67 has the swept back roof or not, as i noticed from similar angles the Model 70 hides its swept back roof too so the model 67 could also have one)

 

speaking of anglia tho I do notice that the model 70  from the 2015 Anglia auction Link I posted above, has the same mould lines down the indicators that the Model 67 has, I have not seen those mould lines on a Model 70 before, do they mean anything? (ie is the Model 70 in the Anglia link an early one?)

 

heres said Model 70

 

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sadly no reg plate so i cant look up its info

 

did some more sleuthing and figured out which "Invacar" this one is 

 

its not a Model 70, its a Model 67 :)

 

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I could not quite make out the rear arch profile in the original picture I had, so I was not sure if it was a 67 or a 70, I was wondering if it was a 67 rather then a 70 due to the mould lines down the front of each head light/indicator section (because that seems to be a 67 specific feature thats not there on Model 70s)

 

I wonder how many Model 67s survive?

 

any who, getting back to Model 70s and an excuse to post more pictures  :mrgreen:

 

I noticed WOO848S and TTW 991R both got 1 MOT and then nothing afterwords I wonder what that was about or what happened to them...

 

theres a picture of WOO848S 

 

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and heres a Picture of TTW991R

 

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I just find it peculiar how they both got 1 MOT in the early 2010s and then nothing not even SORN... 


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Posted 16 January 2019 - 07:41 AM

TTW is the one I drove,I know where it is :-)
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Posted 16 January 2019 - 07:53 AM

TTW is the one I drove,I know where it is :-)

 

very cool :) (its not for sale is it?  :mrgreen: )

 

always good to know that an invacars details is known, its part of the reason I post these pictures, if i happen to come across an invacar that shows up on the DVLA with recent-ish (ie post 2003) activity or is in a post 2003 picture, ill generally post it here incase anyone knows any details about it, (especially if where the picture comes from contains no information)

 

theres no ians bus stop website style for invacars sadly so im sorta trying to do that here :) (im not making a website, but I am trying to gather the details into this thread if that makes sense)



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Posted 16 January 2019 - 08:43 AM

Its not for sale no,but current owner paid £1700 for it 7-8 years ago.


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Posted 16 January 2019 - 09:16 AM

Cool good to know :)

 

BTW you dont happen to know what happened to "1Leg" would you? or even just what its actual reg was/is?

 

http://rumcars.org/f...hp?topic=5370.0

 

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looks like Fraser got it, but sadly he never updated his thread as to what he did with it in the end.



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Posted 18 January 2019 - 04:57 AM

one for Conan :)

 

did a bit of sleuthing and it looks like they repaired the headlight on the Thailand Invacar but gave it a split lip in the meantime!

 

http://www.jesadatec...detail.php?id=3

 

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this photo of it with a "black eye" shows it without a crack in the bumper so I think the above picture is later (unless they did a good job repairing the split then broke the headlight LOL)

 

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(I wonder if someone tried to drag it along by the front?)

 

whats the hot line for reporting abusive owners again?  :mrgreen:


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Posted 18 January 2019 - 05:08 AM

There are many subtle differences between those photos. Is it possible that they are 2 different Invacars?


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Posted 18 January 2019 - 05:17 AM

not sure, I guess Conan could pop round and tell us? :)

 

I think there are a couple more shots of that invacar floating on the web, ill try and hunt em down.

 

in the meantime I found a picture of it from the rear where it looks a lot shinier...

 

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Posted 18 January 2019 - 01:18 PM

Grr the first picture/link is broken already LOL from now on ill make sure to upload all pictures i find to autoshite directly instead of embedding them

 

(Sorry admins if you find the server hard drive full of invacar pictures!  :mrgreen: )

 

did some sluething and found this picture from Conans one shite in Bangkok thread

 

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sadly he does not say when he took the picture, but I belive its a more recent picture

 

speaking of I was looking at the rear end picture closely and I think the Exhaust pipe has blue overspray on it

 

maybe they treated it to a spruce up a few years ago (respraying it and fixing the split lip) and then since then its deteriorated a bit?







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