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#1141 ONLINE   LightBulbFun

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Posted 14 March 2019 - 09:43 PM

That JPF413N. Wondering whether it's the same car in both pics? I have this idea that they worked on a similar basis to the old London Bus Overhaul Works where they swapped ID, so bring in vehicle ABC123 on the morning and a freshly rebuilt one leaves with the same ABC123 registration in the afternoon. Saved on tax disc costs apparently.

Maybe there was somewhere that took in a damaged Invacar and issued a replacement with the number plates etc swapped onto it? I'm only suggesting that because the second pic (presumably newer than the first) shows the car with more modern type of plate and also the badge in a different place.

Alternatively it just had a front end repair and the above is bollocks.

 

 

funny you should mentioned that, because stuart said some service centres worked like that, although apparently the AC badges did have a bad habit of falling off

 

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Dez, if there's dental work needed don't hold off getting it done. It's one of those things which the longer you wait the worse it will get - and the more expensive getting it sorted will be. There are few things worse than serious toothache either - especially given you've already indicated that most painkillers don't seem to help you. Picture if you will, a white hot poker being drilled into your jaw, which you cannot escape or help no matter what you do. It is the most unpleasant sensation I have ever encountered in my life and isn't something I would wish on my worst enemy.

If you're registered with an NHS dentist checkups should be free, but any work done will likely require payment to some degree.

If they've told you there is work needed, get it sorted.

 
luckily nothings in pain, they "just" want to do some filling/crown work IIRC?
 
they prescribed some special extra fluoride tooth paste, and I got a funky sonic tooth brush thats been much easier on my back to use
 
(up until recently, iv been quite bad, when it came to brushing my teeth because of the literal Pain in the back that it was with a normal tooth brush, so some of my teeth, especially a molar or 2 are sort of half not there anymore, oops...)

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Posted 14 March 2019 - 09:46 PM

That might be one reason why Q plated examples have turned up.
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Posted 14 March 2019 - 09:50 PM

That might be one reason why Q plated examples have turned up.

 

 

i dont think so, the Q plate examples have been done up clearly after DHSS Service, and both examples I know of use clearly not Model 70 Chassis numbers, so some deliberate ringing had been done



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Posted 14 March 2019 - 09:53 PM

 

I found the black and white location of Clifton avenue.

 

Clifton Ave
 
9 course block walls, copings, kerb, house with strange arch detail, national grid in the background. Theres another picture with that yard to the right looking down Clifton, a VW breakers was next door. Funnily enough, the unit that is now built in that yard has a strange shaped vehicle covered in a tarp against the wall. It's hashtagged meadow Lane but it's just off it.

 

Oooh nice work

 

ill stick on the list of things to dig into some more later on :)



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Posted 14 March 2019 - 10:14 PM

Well, in a closed yard opposite that site is 3 massive shipping containers... Wouldn't it be good if....


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Posted 14 March 2019 - 10:54 PM


funny you should mentioned that, because stuart said some service centres worked like that, although apparently the AC badges did have a bad habit of falling off

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luckily nothings in pain, they "just" want to do some filling/crown work IIRC?

they prescribed some special extra fluoride tooth paste, and I got a funky sonic tooth brush thats been much easier on my back to use

(up until recently, iv been quite bad, when it came to brushing my teeth because of the literal Pain in the back that it was with a normal tooth brush, so some of my teeth, especially a molar or 2 are sort of half not there anymore, oops...)


Yeah...that doesn't sound good. You'll be wanting to get that sorted out sooner than later. Getting fillings or crowns done is a hell of a lot better than the alternatives if things degrade further and you wind up needing root canal work done.

If you're able to discuss things with the dentist directly it's worth seeing what their long term thoughts on your wisdom teeth are. Many dentists will just remove them rather than work on them because it's often really awkward. If your teeth are generally in poor condition they may just want to remove them - while it sounds extreme, I've had one tooth out and while it wasn't *pleasant* and I did look like I'd headbutted a bus for a few days afterwards, it wasn't actually painful. Certainly less painful than most fillings I've had. If you're on a budget and don't know if you're going to have regular access to a dentist, it may well be worth seeing if they want to do that work preventatively. Certainly a heck of a lot better option than dealing with an abscess.

Don't mean to sound alarming - but I have terrible teeth (thanks Mum...) so have spent far more time in that seat than I'd like!
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Posted 14 March 2019 - 11:05 PM

thanks for the tips, ill keep it all in mind :)

 

truth be told I think iv already had a root canal done somewhere (its where they blow torch a bit of metal then shove into part of a tooth right?) that was a good year or so ago

 

as for wisdom teeth I currently have 1 wisdom tooth, didn't actually even know about it until my last check up about a month ago, my mum says wisdom teeth are unusual for this family,



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Posted 14 March 2019 - 11:57 PM

noticed something weird about VES108S

 

it has Scottish registration plate which is odd for a Invacar but iv was told this was one sold privately, so thought ok that explains the plate, but I noticed just now that https://cazana.com/uk/car/VES108S says it was registered near Chelmsford (which makes sense for an Invacar Model 70 normally)

 

so i did a bit of checking on the DVLA and noticed some other imported cars with VESxxxS plates, so I wonder if VES108S originally had a different plate and was plate raped like the Mk12E, JBY503J

 

so this then also raises the question is VES108S actually a private or an ex DHSS car?



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Posted 15 March 2019 - 12:42 AM

well that was a bomb shell for stuart  :mrgreen:

 

turns out he hadn't noticed what I had noticed until now, so we now think it originally had a WOO-S or WVW-S plate which fits in with my other WOO/WVW Model 70s I have documented given the date of registrations, and that it was a ministry car not a private one

 

I kinda feel bad for Fraser now, guess someone has to tell him now...



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Posted 15 March 2019 - 03:39 AM

ok this tail fin stuff is getting ridiculous  :mrgreen:

 

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Posted 15 March 2019 - 11:40 AM

Maybe better for the bus shite thread? But, I know you love an old bus too! And Yoss checks in here too I think. Local to me.

 

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Posted 15 March 2019 - 08:02 PM

Probably but im not going to complain  :mrgreen:

 

heres the history on that Routemaster (Cavcraft look away now LOL)

 

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good old ians bus stop, iv been visiting his website since I was 4 :)

 

 

 

 

I had a good night/early morning (till about 4AM) chatting with stuart,

 

learnt some interesting tidbits

 

like how after about 1976 Model 70s did get a head liner as stock, but that the one in TWC is weird and not of ministry spec

 

we suspect it may have been made as a small batch when a service centre just needed a few spares

 

it looks like combined with the roll over bar and the larger speedo, Model 70s got a bit of a mid life "face lift" in the mid 1970s :)

 

 

the registration plate for the oldest known (but not surviving sadly) Invacar Model 70 is REV707K (chassis number INV89) which comes back as December 1971, so it took Invacar about 6 months to make 800 Model 70s (seeing as TWC Is June 1972)

 

 

oh and as for controls, they where all fully assembled on the production line, with some being built specifically for the first users needs,

 

and then also after the fact they would of been adapted as needed (I wonder if anyones got a picture of the Same Model 70 but with 2 different control schemes?  :) )

 

 

oh and iv updated the survivors list with VPF441M which belongs to the ICR collection (they have a small gaggle various ICs it turns out :) including 7 Mk12s IIRC, Might be worth it for egg to ask them for VIN numbers )

 

and on the subject of the ICR, they do indeed have all of Stuarts paperwork now (a couple large filing cabinets and a few large boxes worth!)


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Posted 15 March 2019 - 08:23 PM

7 MK12s! Wow, they aren't the big Al one's then? Any idea where they are D?

 

I'll ask Kathryn about them anyway.


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Posted 15 March 2019 - 08:34 PM

7 MK12s! Wow, they aren't the big Al one's then? Any idea where they are D?

 

I'll ask Kathryn about them anyway.

 

about 13 Mk12s where found dumped in the woods in Trysull in about 2013 :)

 

3 became art sculptures 7 went to the ICR, and 3 had to be left behind which were then hoovered up by Graham & Danny walker (apparently the same guys doing all the french stuff on the Microcar FB page) (the 2 pictured together with the broken body work round the head lamp, are 2 of those 3)

 

as to where those are all now Im not sure sadly

 

(it turns out you could actually buy an Invacar for £1 as long as you where going to scrap it, but many people did not, and the ministry put and end to that in about 1984)


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Posted 15 March 2019 - 08:43 PM

Ah ok, so one of the art sculpture ones is that gold one in Liverpool - I actually emailed the agent of the artist that did that and asked for the chassis number, lol ;-) (no response...)

 

I asked Dan Walker last week what happened to KWC896J, and he was kind enough to tell me that he sold it - and would pass on my request for the chassis number for that one to the new owner (a collector apparently) - I'm waiting to hear back on that one too. 


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Posted 15 March 2019 - 08:56 PM

Yeah I asked stuart if "Lame" was those 3, but it flew unnoticed, but I would not be surprised if it is one of or a combination of those 3 that became art sculptures (I mean are there any Other invacar art sculptures out there even? I hope not LOL poor invacars)


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Posted 15 March 2019 - 09:02 PM

yeah, what a waste of a MK12 door ;-)! I quite like it actually.

 

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Posted 16 March 2019 - 08:15 PM

From 'Real classic' magazine 2008 I have just got this nice review of a Mk8, I'll scan and email it to you soon...

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Posted 16 March 2019 - 08:50 PM

Oh thank you very much that would make for a nice read :)

 

(still not sure what the deal is with that one, pretty sure it does have its stock engine, but the DVLA says its 900cc LOL)

 

 

 

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looks like Mr Q plate has found the Microcar facebook page :) (i did not direct him to it yet, so must of found it on his own :) )

 

Model 70 in Autoshite colours  :mrgreen: one thing that imidently caught my eye was the rear light clusters, one would say there not stock, but at the same time, I swear iv seen another Model 70 with the same rear lights, ill have to try and dig that photo up and see what the deal is....

 

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I also wonder if its had a rear end shunt and repair at some point, much like what Zel has done to TPA, cuz that rear end lip looks a bit short and I dont see a rear number plate light

 

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Posted 16 March 2019 - 09:02 PM

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Posted 16 March 2019 - 09:07 PM

Also 10 inch wheels at a guess or am I just seeing things?

 

BTW, I was sure you would have directed Mr Q plate - almost said so on the thread...


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Posted 16 March 2019 - 09:10 PM

Oh Cool :)

 

here we go knew there was another Model 70 running around with the same lights

 

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indeed it has 10 inch wheels, but thats normal fit for the later Model 70 it is :)


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Posted 16 March 2019 - 09:18 PM

Also 10 inch wheels at a guess or am I just seeing things?

 

BTW, I was sure you would have directed Mr Q plate - almost said so on the thread...

 

I dont think I did? i directed him to AS a while back, dont know if he signed up or not

 

but I dont think i had sent him a link to to the Microcar world facebook page yet

 

(most Model 70 info seems to all be on this forum rather then anywhere else LOL)



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Posted 16 March 2019 - 09:29 PM

What I meant was, I thought it would have been you who directed him, but in fact he did it himself! Cool that he's on there now, regardless!


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Posted 16 March 2019 - 09:35 PM

aye yeah, little surprised myself, but in a good way :) I hope he continues to post updates there

 

yeah he is having some carb issues, if im making out what he texted me correctly, some water got into the carb at some point and has rotted things out?

 

defo sounds like he is planning to keep it rather then flog it on, especially if he is putting money into it now. :)


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Posted 16 March 2019 - 09:43 PM

If I was him, I'd go for a proper carb re-build myself given the issues others have had (naming no names!), it's my intention to do that if my engine can be saved, as I have almost no carb experience.


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Posted 17 March 2019 - 02:34 AM

I decided with almost 40 pages of invacar, that this thread might be a bit unwieldy for new comers so I have stuck/started a thread index in the 1st post on page 1 :)

 

if anyone has any suggestions of parts/posts of this thread i should include there feel free to let me know :)


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Posted 17 March 2019 - 08:53 AM

Catching up here. Amazing work.

TWC's headliner was made in 1997, with a material that very much reminds me of Ford velour. I don't much like it, as it robs headroom, but it does keep the noise down a bit.

All the talking of handling really makes me want to chuck TWC around a bit, but I'm terrified that I'll find the limits, and she's too historically significant for dicking about.

I am planning to take her 'home' to the Greeves factory site this year.
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Posted 17 March 2019 - 09:40 AM

Catching up here. Amazing work.

TWC's headliner was made in 1997, with a material that very much reminds me of Ford velour. I don't much like it, as it robs headroom, but it does keep the noise down a bit.

All the talking of handling really makes me want to chuck TWC around a bit, but I'm terrified that I'll find the limits, and she's too historically significant for dicking about.

I am planning to take her 'home' to the Greeves factory site this year.

 

Thanks, as is probably evidant iv put a lot of hours into all this :) (well I say that, having no life what soever helps  :mrgreen: )

 

I think what id be most terrified of in a Model 70 is sudden understeer more then anything

 

im still hoping you get a chance to drive some earlier invalid carriages/tricycles and do a sort of Invalid vehicle shoot out :)

 

if you make it to the greeves site, it looks like there just might be a Model 70 there still to greet you and TWC :) (if there is any chance you could bring it back with you for me?  :mrgreen: )

 

I dont actually know what a factory head liner looks like for a Model 70, will have to see if i can see anything in my pictures :)

 

im also looking forward to seeing how TWC on 12 inch wheels compares to TPA on 10 inch wheels :) (and also how TWC does for her 2nd MOT :) )

 

speaking of going fast, I came across this post on the internet https://www.gtplanet.../#post-11192609

 

90Mph... Hmmm LOL (it reminds me of "Smiths MPH" from busmansholiday's post in TWCs thread  :mrgreen: )

 

 

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Posted 18 March 2019 - 09:14 AM

heres the scans that egg kindly provided me from the magazine he has, assembled into a PDF :)

 

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interesting to note how similar the controls are to the Mk12, and I also wonder if the Mk12 got the same sort of testing during development  :mrgreen:







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