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#31 OFFLINE   Burnside

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Posted 05 August 2018 - 10:22 PM

https://www.autotrad...e=ws98re&page=1

 

How about this? Citroen AX 1.5D Debut 5dr, admittedly it's a fair way away but well within budget at £395.


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Posted 05 August 2018 - 10:29 PM

https://www.autotrad...ius=1500&page=1

 

Not sure if link will work but Audi A2 Derv for £500 needing tlc in Blackpool, Cheap train tickets maybe available

I maybe able to help with collection if timing is right ie a Saturday when I go to visit My dad


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#33 OFFLINE   M'coli

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Posted 05 August 2018 - 11:15 PM

https://www.autotrad...e=ws98re&page=1

How about this? Citroen AX 1.5D Debut 5dr, admittedly it's a fair way away but well within budget at £395.

That's a wee belter. 55-65 mpg depending on how much lead is in your clog and not too slow either - it's not going to be a rocket ship but it's not an embarrassment either (governor in third is close to 70).
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Posted 06 August 2018 - 12:24 PM

Just go to India and buy a turbo TUD. 4163963f479c573c7459d9bf57381045.jpg
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Posted 06 August 2018 - 01:16 PM

Mmmm let me tell you about L series diesel engines.

Deffo one of my favourite engine, they can be retrofitted very easily with the injectors from the previous incarnation - the SDI and some gains can be, gained. £25 mod that addes something stupid like 9% power increase.

Its a pretty agricultural 8v diesel with a belt driven pump on the opposite side of the engine. Common problems are usually the failure of oil cooler pipes which go under the sump due to rust. Theyre cheap and readily available but can lead to oil all over your drive.

The second issue i had with them is that the mechanical pumps are a bit shit with veg oil, and timing one up is a total and utter fucking nightmare. They require two specific diameter pins to lock the pump and the cam in place before refitting the pump timing belt, which from memory are some random imperial drill bit sizes. Poor pump timing can cause no start issues.

Its loud, clacky and generally a very solid engine with little else but general maintenence on stuff like priming bulbs and leakoff pipes.

They are also controlled electronically by a few bits - there is a wire incorporated into injector 1 which if frayed or damaged can cause the car to not rev higher than 4k. That is also the case with a bust MAF, but also makes it easy to diagnose.

Lastly the glow plugs are not actually needed - which is good - because in order to remove number 3 you need to completely remove the fuel pump which is a mare of a job. The rest are pretty standard.

Last one i had was still rocking & shockin at 218k.
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Posted 06 August 2018 - 01:28 PM

I did all six glow plugs on a VW D24 engine, the factory manual suggests you remove the injection pump to access the last two.
Glow plugs behind the pump aren't impossible but can be very awkward, the D24 needed various jointed extensions.

Weren't some L series fitted with 3 glow plugs from the factory? Direct injection diesels don't really need glow plugs most of the time.
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Posted 06 August 2018 - 01:36 PM

Yes some were fitted with three, didn't think you had to remove the fuel pump to change them, certainly didn't on mine unless some versions had four.
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Posted 06 August 2018 - 01:47 PM

Suction direct injection, £475 and localish

https://www.gumtree....-mot/1309051914136cbe9c093b472b28a240df93e532e8.jpg
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Posted 06 August 2018 - 01:55 PM

That's a shout!
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Posted 06 August 2018 - 02:08 PM

Re my comments about non/un Turboed engines. Having driven a Mk2 Astra Mert-it and some old 1980s Merc (no idea of model number) both without turbo they were both dire. The Astra would sit at legal limit all day. But years it took me to get there was not to my liking. Especially as I had just handed back a Pug 307 Turbo Coke Estate.

Now I am having a few more problems with my 307SW turbo system. after it was repaired just a few months ago with the same fault. I am very much against the complicated anti-smog devises coke powered cars have these days.

Plus travelling a round mainland Europe is getting a bit more difficult with more and more cities making clear air zones and older cars (mine included and it is a 2003) are getting banned from entering.

Just hope the UK does not erect too many smog zones.


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Posted 06 August 2018 - 02:57 PM

I don't think an 80s GM diesel is comparable to an NA XUD or VW 1.9 engine, the latter have a lot more power (relatively) and are happy to cruise at high motorway speeds.
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Posted 06 August 2018 - 05:24 PM

Cheers all, great advice and recommendations.

I really like the look of that AX, it's in Walsall area though, it's a bit of a trek to potentially come back empty handed, I've rode my luck with the last couple. Might give the seller a phone and try and size it up a wee bit.

The Fabia SDI is a good shout, a solid, big feeling motor. My dad had one and it was a capable steer. Unfortunately that one now appears to be sold.
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Posted 09 August 2018 - 12:08 PM

So, fitting not many of the criteria I've been offered the following from a good friend, it's his mothers old car.

 

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As it says, 54 plate Astra "Enjoy", it's the 1.7 CDTI. It's an Astra "G", so one of the last of the 1998-2004 shape. Has roughly 133k on the clock and she's owned it for 5 years. It's visually tatty with rust on one of the rear arches. A few known issues, it needs at least one new tyre and the tracking must be off because it's worn on one edge. The back box is fucked and the MOT is short. 

 

On the plus side, he has given full disclosure and it has recent front brakes. I also know his mum to be a sympathetic driver and he would never knowingly sell me a dud. 

 

It's just hard discussing money. What would folk say is the going rate given I'm saving him the bother of running the Gumtree gauntlet?

 

Also, what's the verdict on these in general? I've never owned a Vauxhall so my knowledge is lacking, but I believe these are an Isuzu derived lump which are fairly rustic and dependable. 


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Posted 09 August 2018 - 12:32 PM

What you need is a 305 diesel, big enough to be useful but small by today's standards.

My estate is fairly economical and can still manage about 90mph flat out.

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#45 ONLINE   Lacquer Peel

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Posted 09 August 2018 - 12:50 PM

Those Astras are okay, and better to drive than a MK3, which is good because MK3s drive like shit. I'd offer scrap money plus a bottle of wine, it sounds a bit neglected.
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Posted 09 August 2018 - 12:55 PM

Those Astras are okay, and better to drive than a MK3, which is good because MK3s drive like shit. I'd offer scrap money plus a bottle of wine, it sounds a bit neglected.

Yeah, that's the kind of money I was reckoning but I think his valuation is a bit higher. 

 

It's probably a £500 car with two new front tyres, new exhaust and a years ticket. It's quite a ways off that at the moment though.

 

I'll have to approach the thorny issue of cash, it is a model of car I have little enthusiasm for, but this is mainly a pragmatic and practical purchase rather than a matter of the heart.


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Posted 09 August 2018 - 01:13 PM

So, fitting not many of the criteria I've been offered the following from a good friend, it's his mothers old car.

https://image.ibb.co/nmnF89/astra.jpg...

As it says, 54 plate Astra "Enjoy", it's the 1.7 CDTI. It's an Astra "G", so one of the last of the 1998-2004 shape. Has roughly 133k on the clock and she's owned it for 5 years. It's visually tatty with rust on one of the rear arches. A few known issues, it needs at least one new tyre and the tracking must be off because it's worn on one edge. The back box is fucked and the MOT is short.

On the plus side, he has given full disclosure and it has recent front brakes. I also know his mum to be a sympathetic driver and he would never knowingly sell me a dud.

It's just hard discussing money. What would folk say is the going rate given I'm saving him the bother of running the Gumtree gauntlet?

Also, what's the verdict on these in general? I've never owned a Vauxhall so my knowledge is lacking, but I believe these are an Isuzu derived lump which are fairly rustic and dependable.

What do you folks think i


I've had one of those exact models. Plenty of low end grunt and feels quick for what is a 90/100hp hatchback. Rusty arches is pretty much a given with these now. Parts are cheap as fuck and easy to source. Extremely dull to look at but should be a decent buy. Mega MPG's
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Posted 09 August 2018 - 01:14 PM

Report him to trade descriptions. He has the words Astra and Enjoy in the same sentence.


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Posted 09 August 2018 - 02:03 PM

I've had one of those exact models. Plenty of low end grunt and feels quick for what is a 90/100hp hatchback. Rusty arches is pretty much a given with these now. Parts are cheap as fuck and easy to source. Extremely dull to look at but should be a decent buy. Mega MPG's

Good to know.

 

I've not seen the car in a while, I'll pop over and have a look. It's not really what I'm after but it would probably do me a turn. 


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Posted 09 August 2018 - 02:11 PM

Good to know.

I've not seen the car in a while, I'll pop over and have a look. It's not really what I'm after but it would probably do me a turn.

it's no frills cheap motoring at its finest. I've had a few G's and haven't a major problem with any. The diesel I had got 45-50mpg regardless of how I drove it
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Posted 09 August 2018 - 08:39 PM

As a perpetual SDI fanboy with two in the fleet at present I can offer a bit of insight here...

 

Lupo SDI:

 

I've had mine for a few years now and whilst it has to be the most economical car in the world bar none achieving 60mpg round the doors, 70mpg plus on a run, £30 tax and a circa £500 purchase price it is a miserable place to be for anything but short journeys. The clutch is very heavy indeed. The whole car vibrates violently at idle, this can be felt through the seat and steering wheel. The interior slowly dismantles itself under the vibrations, it also tends to make you feel pretty vulnerable on motorways on the basis of being tiny. Noise levels are obscene, frankly the 1.7 engine is probably way too big to try and house in a car of that size.

 

Also, it's an absolute bastard to work on. Replacing a powers steering pump which would be a 30 minute task on a Golf turned into a full day seminar on the Lupo as removal of bumper/wheel/arch liner is needed due to restricted space. Many other jobs are like this on the loop, eg alternator replacement requires engine mount loosening and jacking up of the whole engine to get enough space. Think on...

 

I ran it for almost a year on my 50 mile per day commute and in the end cried enough, it was passed down to Mrs Eunos who uses it 10 miles each way to work on B-roads, it's much more suitable for that kind of work IME and she seems very happy with it.

 

Golf SDI (Mk4):

 

Much nicer than the Lupo. Whilst still somewhat agricultural, soundproofing is far better, clutch is hydraulic and light and the brakes also work far better too with discs all round. Easy to work on compared with the loop with bags of space, especially sans turbo. Also an abundance of spare parts and knowledge available when compared with it's smaller stable mate.

 

The only real downsides are fuel economy isn't quite as good, usually 50mpg on short journeys and 60mpg on a run. Tax is more expensive too at circa £135 IIRC.

 

SDI's In General:

 

Vastly underrated and much maligned, they're a real diamond in the rough IME.

 

Granted their TDI cousins are nicer to drive, faster and more plentiful but turbos and dual mass flywheels can and do fail on them and in doing so cancel out all of the money saved as at that stage you'll either need to replace parts or the car. This makes the whole exercise counter intuitive. Both of these parts are none existent on SDI's so you're left in the position of enjoying the astronomical levels of economy of the VAG diesel range with all of the reliability advantages usually reserved for petrol cars. The ultimate bangernomics machine? Probably....

 

Downsides? Aside from lacklustre performance there's only one really, gearboxes! Volkswagen had a nasty habit of fitting gearboxes from their petrol range to them rather than the tougher 'boxes that TDI's got. The three main rules when buying a used SDI are check the gearbox, check the gearbox and then check the gearbox again.

 

Hope that helps :)


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Posted 09 August 2018 - 08:54 PM

Wtf does a Lupo need PAS for in the first place?

Also, why does having discs all round on a FWD car make them better, when the back brakes are only really there for the handbrake? Or does this have something to do with pedal pressure rather than fade resistance? Because overly light pedals can FUCK RIGHT OFF in my book.
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Posted 09 August 2018 - 09:03 PM

Wtf does a Lupo need PAS for in the first place?

 

 

Probably doesn't, driving round with the pump making a sound like nails rattling round in a washing machine got old pretty quickly though and a £20 used PAS pump seemed the lesser of the evils.

 

 

Also, why does having discs all round on a FWD car make them better, when the back brakes are only really there for the handbrake? Or does this have something to do with pedal pressure rather than fade resistance? Because overly light pedals can FUCK RIGHT OFF in my book.

 

IDK. I'm not a specialist in brakes but I can confirm from a perspective of owning and driving both cars the Golf's brakes work far better.



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Posted 10 August 2018 - 05:19 AM

Does the Lupo have solid discs? I had a Golf 1.9D with solid front discs, it's the only car I've experienced brake fade in.
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Posted 10 August 2018 - 05:31 AM

Small(ish) diesel with a bit of added practicality.

 

1.9d with a whopping 68hp, it does have A/C and velour on the bonus sheet.

 

https://www.autotrad...onesearchad=New


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Posted 10 August 2018 - 05:51 AM

That's a rarity! PSA DW8 powered Corolla.

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Posted 10 August 2018 - 05:53 AM

^That looks cool

 

 

Does the Lupo have solid discs? I had a Golf 1.9D with solid front discs, it's the only car I've experienced brake fade in.

 

Nope, vented discs.

 

I've driven a few of them and the brakes never seem to feel that sharp on them TBH, they also all seem to have a pretty heavy clutch. Just small niggles really but worth mentioning and taking into account ;)


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Posted 10 August 2018 - 05:57 AM

Meanwhile....

 

https://www.gumtree....sel-/1309433980


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Posted 10 August 2018 - 06:15 AM

i know Les has a 2004 Rover 45 Diesel with not a lot of miles on it going pretty cheap, London though, so about 4 gallons away...


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Posted 10 August 2018 - 08:06 AM

https://www.ebay.co....JsAAOSw39Vbaacd


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