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#121 OFFLINE   puddlethumper

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Posted 20 February 2019 - 09:56 PM

I'm with you on this Colc. It's all very well having an old car but most aren't 

up to modern traffic especially if you want to use it daily. I've modified, or ruined ,

depending on your outlook, several motors over the years. I.E. Three litre 56 splitty Mog,

v8 Ventora, RS2000 scrote van. Although with a Scrote you can practically do what you like

because it's, probably, an improvement. I can't wait to get my PC on the road. It's 

guaranteed to piss the purists off big style but I'm going to laugh my tits off.


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Posted 20 February 2019 - 10:11 PM

What plans do you have regarding the rear axle and suspension?

 

Fit the Golf rear beam?



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Posted 21 February 2019 - 07:09 AM

That's the plan.........although we may just use the existing one for now.........


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Posted 21 February 2019 - 07:18 AM

I'm with you on this Colc. It's all very well having an old car but most aren't 

up to modern traffic especially if you want to use it daily. I've modified, or ruined ,

depending on your outlook, several motors over the years. I.E. Three litre 56 splitty Mog,

v8 Ventora, RS2000 scrote van. Although with a Scrote you can practically do what you like

because it's, probably, an improvement. I can't wait to get my PC on the road. It's 

guaranteed to piss the purists off big style but I'm going to laugh my tits off.

 

 

And this is the point...........I've driven a few old classics in original form, and in more than a few cases, it's been a pretty miserable experience. Awful steering, bordering on dangerous brakes, and [for todays roads] a woeful lack of performance. I'm not doing a roof chop, converting it into a pick up, or doing any body mods at all [though the thought did cross my mind.........] It will have a fairly restrained paint job, it'll be a little lower, and it WILL be drivable.


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#125 ONLINE   wuvvum

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Posted 21 February 2019 - 08:35 AM

I'm not sure I buy the whole argument about lack of performance making old cars dangerous on modern roads tbh.  Even something properly slow like an A30 will get up to speed quicker than a fully-laden 44-tonner, and those seem to manage to pull out of junctions / onto roundabouts etc. OK.



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Posted 21 February 2019 - 08:56 AM

Agreed, but I intend driving this some fairly long distances, and I'd like to get out not suffering from backache, tinnitus or cramp..........and it's not so much that old stuff is "dangerous", it's more their vulnerability to modern traffic and driving habits. The thought of doing a 200 mile trip in a something like a flat head Ford Pop would fill me with dread...


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Posted 21 February 2019 - 12:07 PM

I don't follow many car threads on here these days, but this one has definitely piqued my interest (in a good way).

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Posted 21 February 2019 - 07:35 PM

I'm sort of playing with the idea of putting a bigger engine with a turbot in my 305 van.

It probably won't upset the purists coz most, probably, won't know wtf it is.

Will be following this with great interest.



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Posted 22 February 2019 - 07:02 AM

The plan is to construct a subframe to accommodate the engine, transmission, steering rack, and front struts, and attach the lot in one go. Basically, a space framed front end...I'll worry about the whole SVA thing when it's finished, but we're going to be mindful of making it complaint.

If you kept it quiet and didn't tell anyone, how would they even find out?



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Posted 22 February 2019 - 07:22 AM

If you kept it quiet and didn't tell anyone, how would they even find out?

 

 

 

Ahem.....exactly..........!


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Posted 22 February 2019 - 07:34 AM

Pondering this conversion in the shower, I'd say the Aygo/C1/107 engine is a great upgrade for this sort of thing, being economical, cheap to buy and relatively powerful all wrapped up in a tiny package. It has a characterful sound too.

Not that that's any help to you colc because you've already got the drivetrain but hypothetically speaking.
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Posted 22 February 2019 - 07:44 AM

^^^^^^^ Unfortunately, I think this may weigh about the same as three Aygos welded together, Golf engine is 150 bhp in standard tune, the one that I'm using has been mildly tuned, and it's about 180 bhp. Before it was rear ended, it also had a timing belt, water pump, DMF, and a new clutch..........


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Posted 23 February 2019 - 12:25 PM

I have nothing to add apart from good luck with the project!

 

And also, with enough dedication, anything and everything is possible to be recreated or restored back to it's original state if people want to some day. If the conversion means this car stay relevant for another 50-60 years then it cannot be a bad thing.

 

I'm all for originality (risking being a hypocrite here) but having witnessed first hand an attempt to keep a comparatively modern Peugeot 404 on the road, I can totally understand why you'd want it to do it.  :lol: It's not like THIS IS THE LAST OF THE 403 ESTATE ZOMG either.


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Posted 03 March 2019 - 04:10 PM

I think this is sacrilege!

 

Oh, wait... :oops:

 

I actually find my tastes leaning slightly more towards originality nowadays, but I do appreciate the work needed to re-engineer an older vehicle, especially something radical like this. And even if I didn't, it's your car :-) Watching with interest!



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Posted 12 March 2019 - 03:17 PM

More photos, progress...and a brief explanation

 

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These are probably a trifle out of chronological sequence..........but the cunning plan is this;

Golf engine, gearbox, steering, and suspension has been removed from Golf, along with Golf front chassis legs, and some of the bulkhead. The plan is to slip the whole lot under the Peugeot, and mount the whole thing as one unit. After careful measuring, the Golf strut towers will fit under the 403 wings [those wheels are going in the bin, steel wheels being used. After some careful measuring and cutting, weld the whole thing into the Peugeot. Advantage of doing this way is that all the suspension and steering geometry stays as it was in the Golf. Then seam weld first, then plate both sides...........

 

Flameproof jacket donned.........


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Posted 12 March 2019 - 03:21 PM

How about now :D



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Posted 12 March 2019 - 03:29 PM

Be my guest..........


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Posted 12 March 2019 - 03:34 PM

That's quite the welding project!

What's the current suspension setup on the pug,?
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Posted 12 March 2019 - 03:36 PM

Transverse leaf spring....! Now in the skip..............


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Posted 12 March 2019 - 04:04 PM

Transverse leaf spring....! Now in the skip..............


Not the ideal start point.. so can see why you have gone down this route
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Posted 12 March 2019 - 04:07 PM

This way I also get power steering as well......................as the rack sits behind the engine.


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Posted 12 March 2019 - 04:10 PM

I can't talk, look at the state of what I'm trying to achieve with my 405.

Good luck!

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Posted 12 March 2019 - 06:43 PM

What’s the plan with the rear suspension? Keep the Pug kit as is? Also what happens with the rear axle?

Or are you sizing up 4wd Golf bits as we speak?!

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Posted 12 March 2019 - 07:27 PM

what does it weigh compared to the glfo



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Posted 12 March 2019 - 08:29 PM

We could keep the rear axle.......it's a simple beam on leaf springs, but would like to use the Golf, probably get better ride..................weights are surprisingly close, which just shows how lardy modern stuff is..............


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Posted 15 March 2019 - 09:59 AM

Engine should be in on Monday........spent a few hours yesterday knocking up a new set of door cards..............the old ones were completely bolloxed, as was the material covering them........

 

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Posted 15 March 2019 - 10:23 AM

Like this. What are you going to do with all the ECU bollocks? Is there a way of getting that nice speedo operational? Things like this would do my three in, not the dropping the engine in.

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Posted 15 March 2019 - 10:29 AM

Like this. What are you going to do with all the ECU bollocks? Is there a way of getting that nice speedo operational? Things like this would do my three in, not the dropping the engine in.

 

 Going to use the Golf loom and ECU.........Plan is to fillet the guts out of the speedo and use a GPS transponder to run it......if that doesn't work, have a rather groovy solution which I've had lying about, which pays homage to the old speedo shape, but is a more modern update.............

 

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Posted 18 March 2019 - 06:56 PM

IMG_0838.JPG Right..for those who've been paying attention, the idea was to lob a Golf 1.8t engine  [fwd] into an ancient 403 [rwd] and use all of the Golf ancillaries...........I'll try and post these in chronological order.......

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More soon..........we starting trimming bits off the Golf front end, with a combination of angle grinder and palm cutter.....The top pic is the current rear suspension set up

 

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The pile of extraneous bits starts to grow..

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Posted 18 March 2019 - 06:58 PM

I vote for hater pipe right of the hood, full on Rotsun style.

 

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