25v6turbo Posted July 13, 2018 Share Posted July 13, 2018 Got to do abit of paintwork on one of my cars and have got to try and make a presentable job,but I need to do the painting outside,are electric sprayguns any use?,also what is the best paint to use for primer and top coat,its white.I know its never going to be great painting outside but I just want to make the car a touch more presentable and one shade of white,instead of about 4!Also can I paint it panel by panel,i know this can be time consuming but I wanted to focus on a panel at a time,also I need to think of the neighbours.....is it legal to paint in the open. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adw1977 Posted July 13, 2018 Share Posted July 13, 2018 It's legal, but if you end up with paint on your neighbours' cars, fences etc you will be liable. Choose your day carefully and think about wind direction! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Six-cylinder Posted July 13, 2018 Share Posted July 13, 2018 Years ago I had an electric spray gun and it blobbed just when you thought it was going well, I went back to colour match aerosols. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D Spares & Tyres Posted July 13, 2018 Share Posted July 13, 2018 Anything other than water based paints are illegal to use on cars. Not really feasable to use water based outside though. Or just paint between 9 and 3 when most are at work or school. If nobody complains then it's legal*. Like everything else these days it's only an issue if someone complains. 2k best finish but don't breath the isocyanites. Autoshite way round this is to use a length of hosepipe with one end well away from where you are spraying and the other in your mouth. Earplugs up your nose just in case you forget . ( yes I have done this ) Cellulose safest but needs more work after to get a good shine Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kringle Posted July 13, 2018 Share Posted July 13, 2018 Autoshite way round this is to use a length of hosepipe with one end well away from where you are spraying and the other in your mouth. Earplugs up your nose just in case you forget . ( yes I have done this )Quoted for poignancy. Fabergé Greggs and fatharris 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveDorson Posted July 13, 2018 Share Posted July 13, 2018 Anything other than water based paints are illegal to use on cars. Not really feasable to use water based outside though. Or just paint between 9 and 3 when most are at work or school. If nobody complains then it's legal*. Like everything else these days it's only an issue if someone complains. 2k best finish but don't breath the isocyanites. Autoshite way round this is to use a length of hosepipe with one end well away from where you are spraying and the other in your mouth. Earplugs up your nose just in case you forget . ( yes I have done this ) Cellulose safest but needs more work after to get a good shine That's not strictly true. it's illegal to sell to the public at least, cellulouse paint for certain uses. The EU legislation states that you can use cellulouse paint for vintage and classic cars, but it doesn't actually define what that age is. D Spares & Tyres and chodweaver 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fordperv Posted July 13, 2018 Share Posted July 13, 2018 Anything other than water based paints are illegal to use on cars. That is actually incorrect It's only illegal on cars under 30 years old D Spares & Tyres 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parky Posted July 13, 2018 Share Posted July 13, 2018 Often wondered if buying a cheap marquee tent wouldn’t be a bad idea to spray in? https://www.ebay.co.uk/p/Outsunny-6m-X-3m-Garden-Heavy-Duty-Pop-up-Gazebo-Marquee-Party-Tent-Wedding-Bag/1139075716?iid=350733475730&var=620255389289 Keeps the dust out and should ensure any overspray doesn’t drift onto neighbours possessions. And I am sure it will have other uses at some point. It is an additional cost but might still work out cheaper than paying clean up your neighbours car. As for paint, coachbuilders enamel (Tekaloid) can be thinned down and sprayed with and is easily available online Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mally Posted July 13, 2018 Share Posted July 13, 2018 I once painted an A60 van with Tekaloid and a 2" brush.Looked fine* from 6 feet away. Alanism 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave21478 Posted July 13, 2018 Share Posted July 13, 2018 Mr Bollox used an electric spray gun on his...1100? I cant remember. Anyway, it was apparently a fair old faff for mediocre results.Decent quality aerosols would be my suggestion if you dont want to use a compressor or a brush/roller. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveDorson Posted July 13, 2018 Share Posted July 13, 2018 I've got a little compressor you can use if you want it? Its in Stamford, bring it back not broken. (it's not currently broken) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
purplebargeken Posted July 13, 2018 Share Posted July 13, 2018 Apollo HVLP is good. Or 2k, cover up, spray, run out after holding breath, repeat till done. louiepj 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artdjones Posted July 13, 2018 Share Posted July 13, 2018 ∆Plus one for Apollo.I did 2 Renault 4s in tractor paint and sprayed front wings and sills on a Visa in cellulose about 25 years ago.The strange thing is I arranged to borrow the same unit today from it's owner to do two Saab 96 front wings.(Will be in cellulose.) Hopefully it still works as well as it did in 1993 purplebargeken 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SiC Posted July 13, 2018 Share Posted July 13, 2018 Modern aerosol cans seem to have very good spray patterns nowadays. I noticed this when using a fresh can to paint the MGB seat frame. I ran out, so used a NOS old can (about 10yrs old ish maybe?). It didn't provide anywhere near as good spray and made a right mess in comparison. Plus you don't need to worry about cleaning a gun out after every use. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeeJay Posted July 13, 2018 Share Posted July 13, 2018 Mr Bollox used an electric spray gun on his...1100? I cant remember. Anyway, it was apparently a fair old faff for mediocre results.Decent quality aerosols would be my suggestion if you dont want to use a compressor or a brush/roller.Maxi?Using it over on the blue, (it used to be green) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D Spares & Tyres Posted July 13, 2018 Share Posted July 13, 2018 That's not strictly true. it's illegal to sell to the public at least, cellulouse paint for certain uses. The EU legislation states that you can use cellulouse paint for vintage and classic cars, but it doesn't actually define what that age is.That is actually incorrect It's only illegal on cars under 30 years oldI was just going by the stickers they put on the tops of the time saying : must not be used for the coatings of road vehicles due to directive 12345 or whatever number it was Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D Spares & Tyres Posted July 13, 2018 Share Posted July 13, 2018 Quoted for poignancy.Please elaborate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D Spares & Tyres Posted July 13, 2018 Share Posted July 13, 2018 2k is evil stuff. A build up of isocyanites is no good for you but it's the lungs it can ruin. Just one inhalation can be enough to give you occupational asthma. A normal mask will not be good enough, you need an air fed mask, fed from a separate compressor to the one used by the spray gun. Most people do not have two compressors but I would say that to spray one panel at a time out doors on a still day using 2k is 99% safe using my method. Appreciated it is not a proven method, approved by health and safety bods but thought about logically i can see no harm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SiC Posted July 13, 2018 Share Posted July 13, 2018 I actually thought you were joking when you suggested breathing through a long hose pipe! How do you get enough airflow out of it so you're not just rebreathing your own carbon dioxide? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kringle Posted July 13, 2018 Share Posted July 13, 2018 Please elaborate.Wrong word, I think I wanted the word posterity but night shifts and only 2.5 hours sleep causes many brain farts. Either way the method tickled me. D Spares & Tyres 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dieselnutjob Posted July 13, 2018 Share Posted July 13, 2018 I think electric spray guns are alright for painting a wooden door or a fence or something. I have a 2hp 50L compressor that I will probably sell. I have sprayed a panel using a tough up gun and it was a pain as I had to keep stopping to let the compressor catch up but the panel looked brilliant. This was using illegal cellulose base and 2K lacquer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuboy Posted July 13, 2018 Share Posted July 13, 2018 cheap gazebra for protection Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isaac Hunt Posted July 13, 2018 Share Posted July 13, 2018 Back. In the day when I used to paint DIY, electric sprayguns used to considered shite. I used a small Clarke compressor and a gravity feed gun, later professing to a suction feed gun. Not the quickest, but with care you could get a good result. With cello, flat back 1200 wet and hand polish and after some effort you could be left with a monty finish. I was once told, buy a really good mask and 'go for it' with 2k but piss off out of the garage quick, don't hang around waiting for paint to dry. I never fancied that myself or the 'bear grylls' method of pissing on an old vest and breathing through that. I'm a long time off the gun but a paint supplier mentioned the other day that painting a wing off the car was legit, but painting it on the car was not. I don't know what type of paint it was, didn't ask as it sounded like some boring modernist legislation written by a twat. Simply means all panels are painted off the car innit mate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junkman Posted July 13, 2018 Share Posted July 13, 2018 Electric spray guns? The biggest snake oil shit I have ever heard of. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
junkyarddog Posted July 13, 2018 Share Posted July 13, 2018 A Long long time ago,1992 to be exact. A young me started a short lived "career" in the aircraft industry as a spray painter. Imagine if you will,a vessel full of 2k,maybe 50 odd litres maybe more,3 guys spraying as one time,a hanger full of fumes and mist,all while you are wearing a standard 3m mask with charcoal filters. Didn't stay at it too long. I do still paint the odd car now and then,yes with 2k,and a standard mask.I just don't tend to hang around after spraying it. Still here,but not something I would really recommend doing. As for electric,just don't waste your time or paint. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parky Posted July 13, 2018 Share Posted July 13, 2018 Vinyl wrap? No fumes, overspray, problems with neighbours or the council, no environmental laws broken, and no risk of fish eyes or crazing. Are you any good at wallpapering? gtd2000 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Honey Badger Posted July 13, 2018 Share Posted July 13, 2018 Graco guns are really good but you will be spending several hundred notes to get one. If I was doing a car a panel at a time then I just use aerosols, just buy enough at the start of the job to finish it all, as different batches can have colour variations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben_O Posted July 14, 2018 Share Posted July 14, 2018 I used an Earlex spray station to do paintwork on 3 cars under a marquee on the driveway.Finish was absolutely fine although not perfect but what outside cheap paint job would be? Joloke 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben_O Posted July 14, 2018 Share Posted July 14, 2018 Just had a dig around and found a pic of one of the cars I did with the Earlex. I did the whole car except the roof under that Marquee Joloke, Mr_Bo11ox, Conrad D. Conelrad and 4 others 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
25v6turbo Posted July 14, 2018 Author Share Posted July 14, 2018 Brillant advise,thankyou very much,i,am going to read this thread several times to be clear on what not to do,and of course what I should do!The car is coming next weekend and I would like to smarten it up over the next few weeks,i like the aerosol idea and can be quite good with these but seriously how many would I need to paint a car?A Marquee is an idea although it would be an eyesore on the drive but its not going to be there for long...I have little rust to repair and its a solid old girl but tatty from previous paintwork being done.I don,t want a show queen either,just a smart looking car.I have the grand sum of zero equipment to do this job,so any tips on sanders,primers etc would be great,i know I need masking tape,paper,thinners,panel wipe with but tips on what tools etc would be most helpful that I should have around me before I start.Oh and by the way its a MK1 Triumph 2000. DeeJay 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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