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#121 OFFLINE   500tops

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Posted 11 November 2018 - 05:11 PM

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Posted 11 November 2018 - 06:37 PM

Good work on those gutters. My LDV convoy camper conversion suffers a similar issue, the gutters were never designed to have an additional roof moulding fitted and as a result the gutter isn't deep enough for a good continuous bead of sealant/adhesive, obviously it leaks. I don't have the time or space to take the roof off but I'll be following your work with interest to see if I can gain any tips!

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Posted 11 November 2018 - 07:26 PM

Thanks.
I've worked out that the leak is from a small split in the fibreglass that allows water to get in, rust the metal frame inside the fibreglass and split it, dumping water into the inside. Flashband will stop this inside but I must repair the outside to minimise any more leakage.
Maybe make some more metalwork and bond it in and remove the leaky ones, dunno, I'm making it all up as I go along so plans may change.

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Posted 11 November 2018 - 08:13 PM

Sure, but as I'm sure you've worked out even if you put flash band on the inside, the water will get in and rust the body/gutter from the inside out. Is the fibreglass split on yours or is it just poorly applied/poor quality adhesive. On mine it's clear the adhesive has not only been scrimped on, it's also shrunk back, allowing water to run between it and the metal lip of the gutter, this makes leak finding even more tricky, as it just runs along until it finds the easiest path into the camper.
Ultimately starting again as you are is the only sure way to make sure it's water tight. Although I have wondered about a supplementary glued on gutter above the roof/body join.

#125 ONLINE   Arthur Foxhake

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Posted 11 November 2018 - 08:37 PM

The flashband will stop it getting to the interior and new metalwork and rusting it, in the short term. The fibreglass is compromised in many places, has been for some time. The metal ribs are rusting and expanding and allowing the water to get into the channel that has rusted away.
As I say above, new ribs being bonded in are probably the best solution and not that hard to do I wouldn't think. Then remove the old ribs and fibreglass and make good.
It has 2 shit sunroofs in the fibreglass that need throwing as far away as possible as well, so roof repair was always on the cards.

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Posted 11 November 2018 - 09:10 PM

Yeah, the more you tell me about it the more I think I should crack on with mine,I hadn't considered the collateral damage of the gutter and ribs expanding under corrosion.:-(

#127 ONLINE   Arthur Foxhake

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Posted 11 November 2018 - 09:25 PM

https://www.ebay.co....A9dj6D_gOy6op1A
Some of that above your existing gutter may help?
That's what I'll be using to finish mine off on the outside.

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Posted 11 November 2018 - 10:23 PM

That's pretty much what I was thinking of, hopefully bonded on to avoid breaching the fibreglass top. Thanks for the link.

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Posted 13 November 2018 - 09:49 AM

this is awesome stuff.

 

following thread with interest

 

did you get an apron? I bought mine from

 

https://www.thewelde...ther-Apron.html

 

also useful at preventing wire from knot wheel getting into my joy dept.


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#130 ONLINE   Arthur Foxhake

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Posted 13 November 2018 - 10:29 AM

Thanks Richard. No I haven't bought one yet but that one looks like a good shout.
Only doing Saturday on it this weekend as off to see another shiter Sunday to collect another conveyance.

#131 ONLINE   Arthur Foxhake

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Posted 13 November 2018 - 06:44 PM

Sure, but as I'm sure you've worked out even if you put flash band on the inside, the water will get in and rust the body/gutter from the inside out. Is the fibreglass split on yours or is it just poorly applied/poor quality adhesive. On mine it's clear the adhesive has not only been scrimped on, it's also shrunk back, allowing water to run between it and the metal lip of the gutter, this makes leak finding even more tricky, as it just runs along until it finds the easiest path into the camper.
Ultimately starting again as you are is the only sure way to make sure it's water tight. Although I have wondered about a supplementary glued on gutter above the roof/body join.

Just read this again and I didn't answer loads of your questions.
None of this damage was caused by lack of sealant. The fibreglass roof was attached just above the gutter with wide rivets and sealant. The metal used to finish about 3 inches above the gutter and the roof about 5mm above the gutter.
The trouble was water getting in fom the splits in the rusted ribs and condensation from it being lived in I think.
I don't think I can ever make it perfect now but I hope I can extend its life by a good few years. It lasted the last 15 with just a load of filler, hopes and prayers, so with some new metal I would hope another 15 would be on the cards.

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Posted 15 November 2018 - 06:10 PM

J section gutter turned up today, as did my new welding clamps, as seen in TripleRich and SiC's threads. New magnetic clamps turned up Tuesday, hopefully leather apron tomorrow as I have been allowed a day off work to get some more done as we arent starting the next job until Monday now.

#133 ONLINE   Arthur Foxhake

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Posted 17 November 2018 - 07:07 PM

More gutter work today.

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J section taped in place to see if it worked ok.
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Less than a metre left to do now, then weld on the inside bits and that's it for the gutter.

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Filed another big hole outside yesterday as well, weather was miserable so didn't get much done, don't seem to have taken any pics of that so I'll get one next time I'm there.
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Posted 18 November 2018 - 02:47 PM

Have some quality* Merc van bodywork repairs spotted en route to France, the whole OSF cab window was also fixed in place with wob.

 

DVLA paperwork done so now down to 3 mopeds.

 

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#135 ONLINE   Arthur Foxhake

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Posted 18 November 2018 - 02:59 PM

That's a beauty. Clearly I am wasting my time welding!
Good to meet you again Mark, the smell of stale petrol is rife in the van now. Back now, M25 was stop-start as usual but not too bad.

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Posted 20 November 2018 - 05:29 PM

The reason for my visit to Castro's Bro?

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Pic stolen from vendor.
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Perfect for scouting the area when parked up. I tried using a BMX when I went to Europe this year and it sucked in a big way.
Especially as I was with my mate, who was riding my old mountain bike I sold him as I wasn't using it.

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Posted 20 November 2018 - 05:35 PM

I like bmx's they're fun to knock around on but when you're not so young and your knees are creaking a bit it takes the edge off, so good call on the scooter. Are you making a rack for it?

#138 ONLINE   Arthur Foxhake

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Posted 20 November 2018 - 05:41 PM

Either a basket or rear rack, yeah.
There's a rear rack on ebay for cheap so probably that.

Ive ridden BMX's my whole life but I'll be 36 in a short time and I think my days of riding them may be over.
Edit. Did you mean a rear rack to mount it to? If so, no, just makes it more nickable. If that is a word.

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Posted 20 November 2018 - 08:19 PM

For the fibreglass roof repairs this stuff isn't cheap but it is very good. https://www.roofings...g-box-of-4.html

 

My mates a jobbing builder and uses it for emergency and sometimes permanent repairs if people don't warrant repairing it properly.


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Posted 20 November 2018 - 08:43 PM

That is truly inspiring work; I'm reminded of this other beautiful work of freestyle guerilla repairage.

 

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