dollywobbler Posted October 12, 2018 Author Share Posted October 12, 2018 Common sense has prevailed, there simply isn't room in a Fox for the batteries needed without sacrificing the entire rear load area. I almost want to go ahead with electrification just to prove you wrong. Having spoken to people who actually know about building EVs, the load area would have plenty of space left in it. However, I'm looking forward to lashing it together in my usual half-arsed manner and driving somewhere ridiculous in it anyway. I quite fancy Norway. Lacquer Peel, loserone, catsinthewelder and 6 others 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SiC Posted October 12, 2018 Share Posted October 12, 2018 If you used lithium based cells, there would have been plenty of room. Lead acids wouldn't have gone near anywhere near as far, as fast. Craig the Princess 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dollywobbler Posted October 12, 2018 Author Share Posted October 12, 2018 If you used lithium based cells, there would have been plenty of room. Lead acids wouldn't have gone near anywhere near as far, as fast. Quite. Lead acids would have just smashed the suspension to bits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loserone Posted October 12, 2018 Share Posted October 12, 2018 If you're going to Norway it HAS to be electrified. It's a much more sensible destination than Greece. dollywobbler and egg 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dollywobbler Posted October 12, 2018 Author Share Posted October 12, 2018 Nah. I've got off the electric idea for the Fox. Invacar on the other hand... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
somewhatfoolish Posted October 12, 2018 Share Posted October 12, 2018 I almost want to go ahead with electrification just to prove you wrong. Having spoken to people who actually know about building EVs, the load area would have plenty of space left in it. However, I'm looking forward to lashing it together in my usual half-arsed manner and driving somewhere ridiculous in it anyway. I quite fancy Norway.A single thickness layer of cells on the load bed would give reasonable balance and good range; with the cells protected by a sophisticated* amalgam of 2x4 and plywood the loadspace would be identical in surface area and ideal for conveying shite mopeds and such like. Fannying about trying to fit cells in the hole left by fuel tanks is a bad idea, although some could be put in the not-an-engine-bay for optimum 50:50 weight distribution. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dollywobbler Posted October 12, 2018 Author Share Posted October 12, 2018 A single thickness layer of cells on the load bed would give reasonable balance and good range; with the cells protected by a sophisticated* amalgam of 2x4 and plywood the loadspace would be identical in surface area and ideal for conveying shite mopeds and such like. Fannying about trying to fit cells in the hole left by fuel tanks is a bad idea, although some could be put in the not-an-engine-bay for optimum 50:50 weight distribution. That was my thinking. You want some weight up front to replicate the weight (albeit not much in this case) of the engine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LightBulbFun Posted October 12, 2018 Share Posted October 12, 2018 Invacar on the other hand... *shrieks in horror* No not TWC! cant you electrify the Rover or something? (would solve the KV6s lack of Torque ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fumbler Posted October 12, 2018 Share Posted October 12, 2018 *shrieks in horror* No not TWC! cant you electrify the Rover or something? (would solve the KV6s lack of Torque )I thought he regained it by replacing the intake filter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dollywobbler Posted October 12, 2018 Author Share Posted October 12, 2018 *shrieks in horror* No not TWC! cant you electrify the Rover or something? (would solve the KV6s lack of Torque ) Oh come on. TWC is an ideal candidate. Especially if I can't get this bloody transmission working. The fact that a company up the road builds Fiat 500 EVs, and the Invacar uses Fiat 500 driveshafts means it's practically built. I mean, how hard can it be? Plus, battery placement might substantially improve the handling. A bit of weight up front would certainly make crosswinds less terrifying. purplebargeken, somewhatfoolish, Broadsword and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LightBulbFun Posted October 12, 2018 Share Posted October 12, 2018 Oh come on. TWC is an ideal candidate. Especially if I can't get this bloody transmission working. The fact that a company up the road builds Fiat 500 EVs, and the Invacar uses Fiat 500 driveshafts means it's practically built. I mean, how hard can it be? Plus, battery placement might substantially improve the handling. A bit of weight up front would certainly make crosswinds less terrifying. (Warning personal opinions up ahead) its just that My motor vehicle interests started with the Routemaster bus and as im sure many people are aware quite a few those and and pretty much all but 3 of the 524 RMLs lost their original running gear so im generally quite against engine swapping a vehicle, where so few/original examples are left plus enough people mistakingly think model 70s are electric anyway so imagine the confusion and mass panic* that would result from an actual electric model 70.... but if you do, can I call dibs on the running gear? im prolly gonna need it if i ever find myself an invacar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dollywobbler Posted October 12, 2018 Author Share Posted October 12, 2018 (Warning personal opinions up ahead) its just that My motor vehicle interests started with the Routemaster bus and as im sure many people are aware quite a few those and and pretty much all but 3 of the 524 RMLs lost their original running gear so im generally quite against engine swapping a vehicle, where so few/original examples are left plus enough people mistakingly think model 70s are electric anyway so imagine the confusion and mass panic* that would result from an actual electric model 70.... but if you do, can I call dibs on the running gear? im prolly gonna need it if i ever find myself an invacar If it happens, I'd be keeping the original running gear. There are quite a few rolling chassis in preservation, just not enough bodies. I can see retro-fit EVs proving very popular on cars with impossible-to-find bits. Imagine a Renault 16 EV! Or a Fiat Panda Selecta. I'd rather have an electric Invacar than one I can't use at all. egg and Lacquer Peel 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DodgeRover Posted October 12, 2018 Share Posted October 12, 2018 I would quite like to find one of the electric Bedford CFs especially if they ever did a twin wheeler, they would be a good candidate for more modern electrickery. LightBulbFun and dollywobbler 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LightBulbFun Posted October 12, 2018 Share Posted October 12, 2018 If it happens, I'd be keeping the original running gear. There are quite a few rolling chassis in preservation, just not enough bodies. I can see retro-fit EVs proving very popular on cars with impossible-to-find bits. Imagine a Renault 16 EV! Or a Fiat Panda Selecta. I'd rather have an electric Invacar than one I can't use at all. twas mostly said in Jest, god only knows where id put the engine from an invacar but thats a good point, can you half inch a better transmission from one of the rolling chassis? any-who im going a bit off topic now so I better shut up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DodgeRover Posted October 12, 2018 Share Posted October 12, 2018 I actually think my post belonged in a guilty admissions type thread also, sorry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProgRocker Posted October 13, 2018 Share Posted October 13, 2018 Any more thoughts on putting a FIRE engine into it? I mean the Fiat engine of course, not a firetruck! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dollywobbler Posted October 13, 2018 Author Share Posted October 13, 2018 Not easy on these. A body-off job. I have a Reliant engine in my workshop waiting to drop in. Momentary Lapse Of Reason, ProgRocker and oldcars 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldcars Posted October 13, 2018 Share Posted October 13, 2018 REALLY looking forward to this. I have done a little engine work on mine, headgasket, but looking forward to seeing what you do with this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andy18s Posted October 13, 2018 Share Posted October 13, 2018 Oh come on. TWC is an ideal candidate. Especially if I can't get this bloody transmission working. The fact that a company up the road builds Fiat 500 EVs, and the Invacar uses Fiat 500 driveshafts means it's practically built. I mean, how hard can it be? Plus, battery placement might substantially improve the handling. A bit of weight up front would certainly make crosswinds less terrifying.Any more details on that company Ian?Sounds interesting Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
egg Posted October 13, 2018 Share Posted October 13, 2018 Imagine a Renault 16 EV! I am. I'm sure it would be remarkable. Skizzer?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dollywobbler Posted October 13, 2018 Author Share Posted October 13, 2018 This is the company that does the work.https://www.electricclassiccars.co.uk/ They do a beautiful job, but I should point out they quoted me £17k for everything I'd need to convert the Fox, including Tesla batteries. That didn't include the cost of converting the Fox. I have since chatted with someone who does his own conversions, but even he reckoned on budgeting several grand. egg 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
They_all_do_that_sir Posted October 13, 2018 Share Posted October 13, 2018 What about a DIY hybrid? Sent from my TA-1012 using Tapatalk AMC Rebel 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plasticvandan Posted October 13, 2018 Share Posted October 13, 2018 Reliant made a hybrid car with Lucas in 1982 using the 850 engine and electric motor,some 25 years before the prius etc. AMC Rebel, dollywobbler and DodgeRover 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
egg Posted October 13, 2018 Share Posted October 13, 2018 I think London Electric classic cars says they converted their Morris Minor at about £10-12k, and they are looking to sell kits I think? http://londonelectriccars.com/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dollywobbler Posted October 13, 2018 Author Share Posted October 13, 2018 What about a DIY hybrid? Sent from my TA-1012 using Tapatalk I can't really see the point with the Fox. It should be able to top 50mpg as it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dollywobbler Posted October 13, 2018 Author Share Posted October 13, 2018 I think London Electric classic cars says they converted their Morris Minor at about £10-12k, and they are looking to sell kits I think? http://londonelectriccars.com/ Thanks. They are on my radar but I hadn't contacted them for a quote. egg 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dollywobbler Posted November 25, 2018 Author Share Posted November 25, 2018 So, the electric plan didn't happen. It was all looking far too expensive. But, there has been some progress! Yes, prepare yourselves, I fitted a tailgate hinge! I also managed to free off the lock with some brute force and ignorance. This'll help with the engine project, because the load bay is going to be handy for storing bits - the theory being that if I put bits inside the Fox rather than all over the tip of my garage, I won't lose anything... I also pulled the engine outside so I could blast through the coolant passages. All clear, and water seems to be getting around it without issue, so that's nice. Not much progress, but progress nonetheless. Further progress on hold as I need to tidy up the garage and re-proof the 2CV's roof before she's turfed out. MorrisItalSLX, Supernaut, AMC Rebel and 14 others 17 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angrydicky Posted November 25, 2018 Share Posted November 25, 2018 That's an ADO16/17 bonnet stay holding up the tailgate, innit? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dollywobbler Posted November 25, 2018 Author Share Posted November 25, 2018 That's an ADO16/17 bonnet stay holding up the tailgate, innit? Probably. Has a very BMC vibe about it. Reminds me of the tailgate support on my Aunt's Series VI Oxford Traveller. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plasticvandan Posted November 25, 2018 Share Posted November 25, 2018 Was the same as my minors boot strut when I had mine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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