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Posted 12 October 2018 - 03:51 PM

No rush mon ami. 


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Posted 12 October 2018 - 03:53 PM

Great news, it will be great to get a Reliant engine back in this. Looking forward to reading about it, sure i will learn some new stuff on the way.


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Posted 12 October 2018 - 05:25 PM

Common sense has prevailed, there simply isn't room in a Fox for the batteries needed without sacrificing the entire rear load area. The level of fabrication and wiring would be well beyond a beardie druid in a damp valley, some of it would be pure Blackhurst territory I think. Take your time with it, if it takes 6 months plus of on and off work, so be it. Taking your time will make sure it is 'right', and when you get bored, you should be easily able to punt it on as a runner with ticket. I want to know though how the hell does anyone manage to sleep in a Tandy camper?


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Posted 12 October 2018 - 05:38 PM

Common sense has prevailed, there simply isn't room in a Fox for the batteries needed without sacrificing the entire rear load area. 

 

I almost want to go ahead with electrification just to prove you wrong. Having spoken to people who actually know about building EVs, the load area would have plenty of space left in it. 

 

However, I'm looking forward to lashing it together in my usual half-arsed manner and driving somewhere ridiculous in it anyway. I quite fancy Norway.


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Posted 12 October 2018 - 05:40 PM

If you used lithium based cells, there would have been plenty of room. Lead acids wouldn't have gone near anywhere near as far, as fast.
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Posted 12 October 2018 - 05:44 PM

If you used lithium based cells, there would have been plenty of room. Lead acids wouldn't have gone near anywhere near as far, as fast.

 

Quite. Lead acids would have just smashed the suspension to bits.


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Posted 12 October 2018 - 05:45 PM

If you're going to Norway it HAS to be electrified.

It's a much more sensible destination than Greece.
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Posted 12 October 2018 - 05:47 PM

Nah. I've got off the electric idea for the Fox. Invacar on the other hand...


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Posted 12 October 2018 - 06:12 PM

I almost want to go ahead with electrification just to prove you wrong. Having spoken to people who actually know about building EVs, the load area would have plenty of space left in it. 

 

However, I'm looking forward to lashing it together in my usual half-arsed manner and driving somewhere ridiculous in it anyway. I quite fancy Norway.

A single thickness layer of cells on the load bed would give reasonable balance and good range; with the cells protected by a sophisticated* amalgam of 2x4 and plywood the loadspace would be identical in surface area and ideal for conveying shite mopeds and such like. Fannying about trying to fit cells in the hole left by fuel tanks is a bad idea, although some could be put in the not-an-engine-bay for optimum 50:50 weight distribution.


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Posted 12 October 2018 - 07:12 PM

A single thickness layer of cells on the load bed would give reasonable balance and good range; with the cells protected by a sophisticated* amalgam of 2x4 and plywood the loadspace would be identical in surface area and ideal for conveying shite mopeds and such like. Fannying about trying to fit cells in the hole left by fuel tanks is a bad idea, although some could be put in the not-an-engine-bay for optimum 50:50 weight distribution.

 

That was my thinking. You want some weight up front to replicate the weight (albeit not much in this case) of the engine.


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Posted 12 October 2018 - 07:38 PM

 Invacar on the other hand...

 

*shrieks in horror*

 

No not TWC!

 

cant you electrify the Rover or something? :) (would solve the KV6s lack of Torque  :mrgreen: )



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Posted 12 October 2018 - 07:42 PM

*shrieks in horror*

 

No not TWC!

 

cant you electrify the Rover or something? :) (would solve the KV6s lack of Torque  :mrgreen: )

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Posted 12 October 2018 - 08:12 PM

*shrieks in horror*

 

No not TWC!

 

cant you electrify the Rover or something? :) (would solve the KV6s lack of Torque  :mrgreen: )

 

Oh come on. TWC is an ideal candidate. Especially if I can't get this bloody transmission working. The fact that a company up the road builds Fiat 500 EVs, and the Invacar uses Fiat 500 driveshafts means it's practically built. I mean, how hard can it be? Plus, battery placement might substantially improve the handling. A bit of weight up front would certainly make crosswinds less terrifying.


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Posted 12 October 2018 - 08:29 PM

Oh come on. TWC is an ideal candidate. Especially if I can't get this bloody transmission working. The fact that a company up the road builds Fiat 500 EVs, and the Invacar uses Fiat 500 driveshafts means it's practically built. I mean, how hard can it be? Plus, battery placement might substantially improve the handling. A bit of weight up front would certainly make crosswinds less terrifying.

 

(Warning personal opinions up ahead)

 

its just that My motor vehicle interests started with the Routemaster bus and as im sure many people are aware quite a few those and and pretty much all but 3 of the 524 RMLs lost their original running gear

 

so im generally quite against engine swapping a vehicle, where so few/original examples are left

 

plus enough people mistakingly think model 70s are electric anyway so imagine the confusion and mass panic* that would result from an actual electric model 70....

 

but if you do, can I call dibs on the running gear? im prolly gonna need it if i ever find myself an invacar  :mrgreen:



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Posted 12 October 2018 - 08:31 PM

(Warning personal opinions up ahead)

 

its just that My motor vehicle interests started with the Routemaster bus and as im sure many people are aware quite a few those and and pretty much all but 3 of the 524 RMLs lost their original running gear

 

so im generally quite against engine swapping a vehicle, where so few/original examples are left

 

plus enough people mistakingly think model 70s are electric anyway so imagine the confusion and mass panic* that would result from an actual electric model 70....

 

but if you do, can I call dibs on the running gear? im prolly gonna need it if i ever find myself an invacar  :mrgreen:

 

If it happens, I'd be keeping the original running gear. There are quite a few rolling chassis in preservation, just not enough bodies. 

 

I can see retro-fit EVs proving very popular on cars with impossible-to-find bits. Imagine a Renault 16 EV! Or a Fiat Panda Selecta. I'd rather have an electric Invacar than one I can't use at all.


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Posted 12 October 2018 - 08:35 PM

I would quite like to find one of the electric Bedford CFs especially if they ever did a twin wheeler, they would be a good candidate for more modern electrickery.
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Posted 12 October 2018 - 08:47 PM

If it happens, I'd be keeping the original running gear. There are quite a few rolling chassis in preservation, just not enough bodies. 

 

I can see retro-fit EVs proving very popular on cars with impossible-to-find bits. Imagine a Renault 16 EV! Or a Fiat Panda Selecta. I'd rather have an electric Invacar than one I can't use at all.

 

twas mostly said in Jest, god only knows where id put the engine from an invacar  :mrgreen:

 

but thats a good point, can you half inch a better transmission from one of the rolling chassis?

 

any-who im going a bit off topic now so I better shut up :)



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Posted 12 October 2018 - 09:24 PM

I actually think my post belonged in a guilty admissions type thread also, sorry

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Posted 13 October 2018 - 06:00 AM

Any more thoughts on putting a FIRE engine into it?

 

I mean the Fiat engine of course, not a firetruck! :)


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Posted 13 October 2018 - 07:33 AM

Not easy on these. A body-off job. I have a Reliant engine in my workshop waiting to drop in.
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Posted 13 October 2018 - 07:51 AM

REALLY looking forward to this. I have done a little engine work on mine, headgasket, but looking forward to seeing what you do with this.



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Posted 13 October 2018 - 11:02 AM

Oh come on. TWC is an ideal candidate. Especially if I can't get this bloody transmission working. The fact that a company up the road builds Fiat 500 EVs, and the Invacar uses Fiat 500 driveshafts means it's practically built. I mean, how hard can it be? Plus, battery placement might substantially improve the handling. A bit of weight up front would certainly make crosswinds less terrifying.


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Posted 13 October 2018 - 11:11 AM

Imagine a Renault 16 EV! 

 

I am. I'm sure it would be remarkable. Skizzer?!


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Posted 13 October 2018 - 11:12 AM

This is the company that does the work.

https://www.electricclassiccars.co.uk/

 

They do a beautiful job, but I should point out they quoted me £17k for everything I'd need to convert the Fox, including Tesla batteries. That didn't include the cost of converting the Fox.

 

I have since chatted with someone who does his own conversions, but even he reckoned on budgeting several grand. 


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Posted 13 October 2018 - 12:59 PM

What about a DIY hybrid?

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Posted 13 October 2018 - 01:03 PM

Reliant made a hybrid car with Lucas in 1982 using the 850 engine and electric motor,some 25 years before the prius etc.
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Posted 13 October 2018 - 01:04 PM

I think London Electric classic cars says they converted their Morris Minor at about £10-12k, and they are looking to sell kits I think?

 

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Posted 13 October 2018 - 01:35 PM

What about a DIY hybrid?

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I can't really see the point with the Fox. It should be able to top 50mpg as it is.


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Posted 13 October 2018 - 01:35 PM

I think London Electric classic cars says they converted their Morris Minor at about £10-12k, and they are looking to sell kits I think?

 

http://londonelectriccars.com/

 

Thanks. They are on my radar but I hadn't contacted them for a quote.


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