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W115 panels will not fit.

It's not a /8. It's a W108.

 

Sorry, my knowledge of Mercs needs work...

 

For the 108 you can still get panels from niemoeller.  Much more expensive, but will probably fit without too much bashing...

 

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https://www.niemoeller.de/en/w108/w108/B018/53/d63128-laengstraeger-links

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This is exquisite.

Or rather if you squint a bit from a distance it does a good attempt at showing how exquisite it could be.

 

To me this screams junkman (assuming we ignore the faux leather, which I actually quite like. I'm yet to be convinced mercs work without some form of faux or genuine bovine covering the insides)

 

You've just been messing around, teasing us with rovers and renaults and merican tanks till now. This is it now and I guarantee if you get rid it will haunt you in your dreams

 

*I take no responsibility for this becoming a futile yet ruinous attempt at restoration.....

 

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I'd rather pay Tom 30 hours to make them, than chuck money at that Niemöller type,

with whom I still have an axe to grind.

 

I'll pick up an Oldtimer Markt when I'm in .de next week, it's full of ads of proper specialists.

 

 

I bet he's one of those flash Krauts with silver grey hair, incredibly white teeth and a sports jacket ja? You see them in Munich and Hamburg driving that overrated bucket of shit, the Pagoda SL. If there's anything worse than an old car, it's an old car with no roof. 

 

I have a permanent axe to grid with Bayerische Motoren Werke whose old car parts pricing policy borders on utter insanity. You want a plastic four  spoke early E36 non airbag steering wheel? The one everyone hated? That's worth absolutely FUCK ALL?  Ja, wir haben hier 345 Lenkräder und nur 450 Euro. JA! JEDER!!! PRO STUCK!! Und wir halten sie alle!  HAHAHAHAHA! 

 

£350!!

 

Fucking Bavarian leather wearing beer swilling Knödel munching mentalists. :roll:  :lol:

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I couldn't possibly agree more, with the exception that you predominantly see them at the Techno Classica.

 

Niemöller is a particularly arrogant piece of shit that ran into some loot because he hoovered up W100s when they were shite.

He tried to shaft me twice while I still had a W109 6.3 over thirty years ago and believe you me, I'm not one of those forget

and forgive Christians.

 

However, a good friend of mine, who lives in PShome's neck of the woods, has a good friend, who just happens to be a Benzophile

that tucked away many a part when the main dealers where tossing that rubbish by the skip load.

I'll contact him and should he not be able to help, at least he will tell me who can.

 

Btw, does this mean I really have to restore this fucked pile of shit now?

A week ago I had different plans - I actually wanted to make my life easier.

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I think you should restore it simply because it is beautiful. But I also have a feeling these cars in good condition will become really quite expensive before long. They're half way there already. 

 

The first reason is the compelling one!

 

I dont really give a sh.... - errr - it's not one of my primary concerns what it's worth when.

What I don't want is it ending in yet another garden for a few years, because that's going to do it in.

Right now, it's still restorable, if we can get it running. If not, a restoration is hardly feasible, since anything oily costs a fucking fortune.

Cues: Injector 200 quid each, rebuild of the injection pump 5,000. Yes, that's five-thousand, please and thank you.

Even the measly eggsorst pipes and boxes are going to set me back 350 quid. Three-hundred-fifty fucking English Pounds, ffs!

 

So if it is technically still fit and considering it's interior doesn't need any work whatsoever, it would be well worth doing up,

since bodywork is just that, regardless whether you do it on a 2CV or a Ferrari GTO.

But I'm under no illusions that I'll have to throw 5k at it before I even see something.

 

Thus give uppage of the R16 is unavoidable and it's a very high price to pay indeed.

I know, afterwards I'd have every option known to man. I could hoon the Benz, or flog it and be able to buy the finest TX in existence

with money left to blow on a collection thread the epicness of which I'm unable to clad in appropriate lyrics, but still. You know what I mean/feel.

 

Is there anyone on this here forum who would be willing and able to take this on?

We aren't talking beer money here, that is clearly understood, you know.

Having said that, I'm actually one of the few people who are less obnoxious when pissed.

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rebuild of the injection pump 5,000. Yes, that's five-thousand, please and thank you.

 

Five grand? It's a fuel squirting device. I bet I could rebuild it on my garage floor in ten minutes. Let me look it up, how simple it is.

 

The "rack" inside the injection pump is the member which rotates the helicentrical cut plungers in the injection pump.

  

The barometric compensator moves the rack, the "WRD" warm running device moves the rack, the centrifugal flyweights move the rack, and depressing the accellerator pedal moves the rack via the engine linkages.

 

The operation is very, very complex

 

As the space cam rotates because of throttle changes the stylus reads unjulations in the surface of the space cam and directly adjiust the rack and fuel volume to the engine. To add another layer of complexity to the operation of the stylus and space cam as the rpms increase the space cam is allowed to move towards the rear of the pump and the stylus reads another track so to speak on the space cam.

 

the three separate screws: they are anything but independent of one another. In other words, it is altogether too easy to over-adjust one set of screws, and overwhelm the adjustment on the next set in the progression. In general the white screws adjust high rpm partial load fuel delivery. Black screws adjust low to mid range partial load fuel delivery. The main rack adjusts fuel volume at all rpm's. The white, black and idle screws set the preload on the governor flyweights by adjusting three springs of different weights and lengths. The longest and lightest spring being the idle, and the shortest and heaviest the high speed.

 

All these inputs devices are acting on the "rack" at the same time. The back end of the injection pump is full of springs, levers, linkages, compound cams, and all sorts of intricacy that ties everything together so the "rack" can be moved to deliver precisely the correct amount of fuel. 

 

Add or remove oval shims to adjust fuel mixture during warm up period. Changing pin length will also alter the fuel mixture during warm-up, however you may wrongly change the shut-off temperature of the cold engine idle air.

 

Okay, so now I know how to fix a malfunctioning injection pump. 

 

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That carby would be two 35/40 Zenith INATs.

 

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Show me that injection pump again, please.

 

My 504 GL came fitted with one of those, a true indication that they are reliable,run smooth, are fuel efficient, easy to maintain and never fail.

 

P.S.

if you need hints on how to convert from INAT to Weber, let me know.

 

P.P.S.

used 35/40 INAT for sale.

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Einspritzung Von 1971? Sounds like a world of pain sufficient to give your arse a headache. It’s why I deliberately sought out a carb’d w201 - and mine is 18 years younger.

 

I won’t cajole you one way or another, JM. But I agree, you look effortlessly cool in it.

 

Viel glùck!

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I personally wouldn't entertain a restoration. It's too far gone for anything other than a serious rebuild - it will be rotten, the brakes will be fucked, every oil seal primed to go pop and piss oil out after such a long lay up. It will be unreliable when the injection system plays up, the bodywork will cost a lot to put right and please ignore the peasants* who say 'do not paint' unless you like driving a car that looks like scrap. So very unbecoming for what was one of the best cars in the world.

 

No, I'd sell it and have 'what if?' thoughts as opposed to hating the thing when it's shat itself - again - and you haven't got a decent sorted Renault 16.

 

I had the same dilemma a few years back with a 1971 BMW 3.0S saloon E3. Mint interior, panels good but bad sill rust. I patched it up and got it on the road. Then the brakes started sticking on, because all the flexible hoses were fucked. Then the clutch hose did the same. Replaced the hoses, then the master cylinder decided it wanted to be a potato due to inactivity, then the front 35/40 INAT started flooding. I got rid. Should have done it straight away, but the car was £100 and I only put £150 into it. 

 

Unless you have pots of money and infinite patience, this is a restoration for someone else. 

 

Sell it for a few grand and buy something that works. Just my 2p.

 

 

 

* Seriously. Do not paint a beige W108? Come on!  :-D

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Kugelfisher problems are like SU problems... They're more often than not because of something else.

 

There are plenty of companies that rebuild them, one of which down the road from Lotus in Norfolk. I don't think they charge anywhere near £5K.

 

 

 

It's Bosch I believe. Could be wrong though. BMW and Peugeot uses Kugelfischer - I'm 99% sure Daimler Benz used Robert Bosch apparatus......?

 

Kugelfischer is a superb system when working which it does. Incredible injector spray pattern and atomisation due to the immense system pressure. Amazing throttle response and economy. BMW replaced it with Bosch K Wanktronic - the work of the devil - in late 1975. 

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That carby would be two 35/40 Zenith INATs.

 

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Show me that injection pump again, please.

 

 

 

That's nothing. You haven't lived until you've crossed swords with a Solex Pierburg 4A1 as fitted to the E23 and the W116 280S.

 

Dodgy solenoids. Inoperative pull down flaps. Choke flaps not opening. Carb body distortion. Fan-fucking-tastic. 

 

Meanwhile in America, at the Holley factory...........

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