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#61 ONLINE   sierraman

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Posted 23 March 2018 - 04:18 PM

Are you kidding I've got one its a right brute.
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Posted 23 March 2018 - 04:23 PM

Are you kidding I've got one its a right brute.

Strangely enough,my 307 has just started clonking so I may soon get a chance to check that.Mine certainly is ok on shock to hub bolts but those ball joints don't half stick in place.

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Posted 23 March 2018 - 05:46 PM

Now I want one of these things, what is it with this forum? Looks like the perfect car for my current circumstances.


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Posted 23 March 2018 - 07:28 PM

I bought a 2003 2.0 hdi 110bhp SW SE 7 seater with working climate control and full MOT for £450 from Lincolnshire just over a year ago.

170k Miles. Immaculate bar a couple of small scuffs and one tiny bit of burnt headlining from someone putting a fag out of the window. Despite that it didn’t smell at all of smoke and the ashtray was unused. CD multiplayer and reversing sensors both inoperative, so disconnected.

I fitted a matching set of part worn Michelin Alpin 5 from Germany to it that transformed the ride. Replaced the thermostat (running cool) both drop links and a front wheel bearing and it’s now on 182k. Oh, and one balljoint. You need a special 41mm long socket that’s been useful for a few other things since I bought one a few years ago to use on a 90bhp estate I had for a while. I use lots of heat/quench prior to using either a long (like four foot) bar or the aforementioned Clarke mains impact wrench. It does work most of the time!
Loaned it to a friend for the last nine months. I managed 43mpg, he gets 48 and it’s quite rapid if you want it to be.
When you’re seven-up there’s not a lot of room for anything other than the odd coat or small bag though, but suits my need for carrying five children once in a while. Might have carried nine adults in it once too, off the public highway of course!

I like it. Will get it back soon. I’ve bought a LuK solid flywheel/clutch kit for £160 which I’ll fit soon as the flywheel is very squeaky now. Will do engine mounts and probably gear cables too as floppy.

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Posted 23 March 2018 - 07:35 PM

It had AI?

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Posted 23 March 2018 - 07:56 PM

It had AI?


Bit clumsy with my fingers this evening...! Also changed the ai...r con to climate control.
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Posted 23 March 2018 - 09:14 PM

Yes I'd say the 110 is the one to get.Ive never heard of anyone getting 48mpg out of a 90.Although my 1.6hdi 90 gives 50-52.

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Posted 23 March 2018 - 09:32 PM

I'm convinced!!!! I want one of these now.


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Posted 23 March 2018 - 09:46 PM

Only the brave go for the 1.6 even though it’s more economical. The number of very cheap (and newer) 1.6hdis around tells a story. All that stuff is well documented here and elsewhere though!

I averaged 48mpg in my hard-driven 2.0 90bhp Peugeot Partner over 30k Miles (now on 247k). Conversely my old 206 SW dturbo 2.0hdi 90 struggled to better 43mpg, though that’s supposedly a sportier fuelling map.
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Posted 23 March 2018 - 09:53 PM

I should add that driving a 307 is different compared to an older style Peugeot. The twist-beam tear suspension is cheaper to make and doesn’t flow along roads like the older torsion bar as on 305/306/Berlingo/Partner/405 etc. On an SW the rear springing is harder to accommodate the glass roof and the potential of extra bodies in the boot (live ones, that is) and it is a bit crashy when unladen.
At the front end it’s also more ‘modern’, with lower profile tyres, little or no roll and less steering feel, though the latter is still pretty good. Hydraulic assistance still. You appreciate the additional headroom over a 306.
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Posted 23 March 2018 - 10:15 PM

Yes it's pretty high built.If you put it next to a 306 estate you really notice.The safest 1.6 to have is an early 90.No dmf or dpf so much less to go wrong.

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Posted 23 March 2018 - 10:22 PM

I like these, sister in law had one and didn't have one bit of trouble with it apart from the floppy indicator trouble. Always seem quite tidy for the age as well, you just don't see rusty ones. At all.

The diesel is extremely prone to burning the clutch/dmf out quick though. 1.6 petrol probably best bet if you are spending big insane amounts like a grand on one.

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Posted 23 March 2018 - 10:32 PM

Yes my one had a sill scrape through the stonechip when bought two years ago and the metal is still bright.They are not a bad car but not very inspiring and they have lost the comfortable ride that the 306/405/406 had.Still better than a Mk5 Golf though.(not difficult)

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Posted 23 March 2018 - 10:35 PM

I have seen a few on eBay with MOT failures on the sills - usually the rear. Not sure whether mud can get behind the wheelarch liners.
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Posted 23 March 2018 - 11:01 PM

Just seen a 406 1.8 estate. Serious want.
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Posted 26 March 2018 - 06:02 AM

I bought a 2003 2.0 hdi 110bhp SW SE 7 seater with working climate control and full MOT for £450 from Lincolnshire just over a year ago.

170k Miles. Immaculate bar a couple of small scuffs and one tiny bit of burnt headlining from someone putting a fag out of the window. Despite that it didn’t smell at all of smoke and the ashtray was unused. CD multiplayer and reversing sensors both inoperative, so disconnected.

I fitted a matching set of part worn Michelin Alpin 5 from Germany to it that transformed the ride. Replaced the thermostat (running cool) both drop links and a front wheel bearing and it’s now on 182k. Oh, and one balljoint. You need a special 41mm long socket that’s been useful for a few other things since I bought one a few years ago to use on a 90bhp estate I had for a while. I use lots of heat/quench prior to using either a long (like four foot) bar or the aforementioned Clarke mains impact wrench. It does work most of the time!
Loaned it to a friend for the last nine months. I managed 43mpg, he gets 48 and it’s quite rapid if you want it to be.
When you’re seven-up there’s not a lot of room for anything other than the odd coat or small bag though, but suits my need for carrying five children once in a while. Might have carried nine adults in it once too, off the public highway of course!

I like it. Will get it back soon. I’ve bought a LuK solid flywheel/clutch kit for £160 which I’ll fit soon as the flywheel is very squeaky now. Will do engine mounts and probably gear cables too as floppy.

 

Nice, better colour than mine as well! 



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Posted 26 March 2018 - 06:05 AM

Once all the joints were done I turned my attention to the running temp, it didn't ever get above 70, it should be sitting around 80. It started well the thermostat was easy to get at so I started to drain the coolant. 

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Posted 26 March 2018 - 06:07 AM

But of course this is a French car so to get to the bleed screw on the pipes going to the heater matrix you have to remove the battery. Once this was bleed through, I used a 2 litre bottle with some electrical tape on the neck to act as a seal to fill the header tank. Ran the engine up to get rid of any air locks and I now have a temperature gauge that happily sits at 80. Well it did most of the time apart from when it randomly read nothing so I changed the sender and that sorted that problem.  

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Posted 26 March 2018 - 08:33 AM

Nice, better colour than mine as well!

I like your colour too - I think my colour (KSU code - Oakland Green) was only sold in 2003 or so as I’ve only ever seen a couple.

On the thermostat front, I’ve changed them on every HDI I’ve bought as they all seem to run cool with age.
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Posted 03 April 2018 - 06:27 PM

I went to see one of these for sale today:

 

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Being sold by a trader in Mansfield. I am inspired by this thread and have been keeping my eye on these on eBay and FB market place, this ones been on ebay for about 3 weeks now.

 

Looks quite smart in the photos and the engine drone doesnt seem like a big deal as I would do the cambelt on it anyway if I took it on.

 

Anyway I found the place and the guy fired it up for me, but I just looked at it for 2 mins and said 'nah, dont want to waste your time, its just not for me'

 

Basicaly It was just a little too rough generally. The drivers side had half a dozen scrapes on it and the paint on the front wing had gone funny. Theyre placca wings so wont take much mopping, so really the wing would need repainted. He started it up and sure enough it was droning from the belt end, but i am sure a cambelt swap would fix it, either a cambelt or aux belt tensioner or whatever. The engine was grubby but did not appear to have been attacked by a cable tie & scotchlock merchant.

 

Its got no ticket and needs a refill of Eolys juice to get the messages off the dashboard at the very least, and it looked like it was sitting a little low at the front so might have had a broken spring.

 

Anyway at £450 I said no thanks, and have not regretted that decision! I think a £180 Stilo with another £150 chucked at it for a general going-over feels like a better bet.


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Posted 06 April 2018 - 03:03 PM

The ad says it’s a 90 but the warnings spoke of dpf - quick check says sure enough it’s a 110.

The aux pulleys/tensioner pulley and best come to a fair chunk (like £80 from my factors for an INA kit?) on the HDI. The overrunning alternator pulley might be seized too, causing vibes in the belt. They’re very sweet once sorted but can take some commitment, as the refurb of a few Berlingo/Partner HDIs has taught me. Great if the car’s a keeper and you’re doing the miles.
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Posted 06 April 2018 - 05:25 PM

I went to see one of these for sale today:

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https://www.ebay.co....RS/152917649273

Being sold by a trader in Mansfield. I am inspired by this thread and have been keeping my eye on these on eBay and FB market place, this ones been on ebay for about 3 weeks now.

Looks quite smart in the photos and the engine drone doesnt seem like a big deal as I would do the cambelt on it anyway if I took it on.

Anyway I found the place and the guy fired it up for me, but I just looked at it for 2 mins and said 'nah, dont want to waste your time, its just not for me'

Basicaly It was just a little too rough generally. The drivers side had half a dozen scrapes on it and the paint on the front wing had gone funny. Theyre placca wings so wont take much mopping, so really the wing would need repainted. He started it up and sure enough it was droning from the belt end, but i am sure a cambelt swap would fix it, either a cambelt or aux belt tensioner or whatever. The engine was grubby but did not appear to have been attacked by a cable tie & scotchlock merchant.

Its got no ticket and needs a refill of Eolys juice to get the messages off the dashboard at the very least, and it looked like it was sitting a little low at the front so might have had a broken spring.

Anyway at £450 I said no thanks, and have not regretted that decision! I think a £180 Stilo with another £150 chucked at it for a general going-over feels like a better bet.

Been up for sale for quite a while. Looked at a fair few motors over past two weeks and I think that had a chequered MOT history.

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Posted 16 May 2018 - 12:09 PM

Imagine if you had a small hole in your sill and rather than having it welded up you instead smashed in the sill and filled it with blue towel and fibre glass. Imagine if you also though it would be a good idea to fill over the drain hole, thus ensuring the sill was constantly filled with water which was held against the remaining steel courtesy of the blue towel.

 

If someone then drilled a hole through this mess this would happen

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Posted 16 May 2018 - 12:10 PM

The is what was shoved in the sill

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Posted 16 May 2018 - 12:12 PM

This shows how bad the sill was thanks to the blue towel and fibre glass repair

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Posted 16 May 2018 - 12:12 PM

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Posted 16 May 2018 - 12:14 PM

I had to make up three patches one to remake the inner sill and two for the outside

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Posted 16 May 2018 - 12:17 PM

With a big thanks to Foad, the sill was once again made of metal as it's maker had intended. Foad is welding in the top two pics and I'm the lower two

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Posted 16 May 2018 - 12:22 PM

Good to see giffer repairs are alive and well!

 

Sadly yes, there was quite a few I had to sort like this ingenious one on the screen wash bottle, a quick trip to the breakers had it sorted

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Posted 16 May 2018 - 12:22 PM

That repair is grim. As a paid up Peugeot licker I'm happy to see it fixed properly.


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