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#61 ONLINE   spartacus

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Posted 10 April 2018 - 09:43 PM

If there's power to the injector but it drops out under electrical load then it almost seems likely to be an ECU fault. I hope I'm wrong and it's something simple though.
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Posted 10 April 2018 - 09:55 PM

That's the thing - there's still power when it's misfiring. I can't get actual voltages due to the rapid on/off nature of the circuit, but my light up screwdriver probe thingy is indicating power throughout.

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Posted 10 April 2018 - 10:17 PM

Have you scanned for codes? Not all faults throw an EML up and on a 57 plate it should have sensors all over the shop.

Not sure if any of the apps that connect to Bluetooth dongles go into more detail about fuel injectors and whatnot?
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Posted 10 April 2018 - 11:02 PM

From what's being discussed on the US forums for Kia and Hyundai, the delta and theta v6 suffer a lot from coil pack issues. Interestingly I came across the following youtube video about a santa fe suffering similar issues and turning out to the the crank sensor wiring.

Worth considering!


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Posted 11 April 2018 - 05:54 AM



Have you scanned for codes? Not all faults throw an EML up and on a 57 plate it should have sensors all over the shop.

Not sure if any of the apps that connect to Bluetooth dongles go into more detail about fuel injectors and whatnot?


My dongle won't connect to it, and I've got an adapter winging its way to me. This was just me jumping the gun a bit.

From what's being discussed on the US forums for Kia and Hyundai, the delta and theta v6 suffer a lot from coil pack issues. Interestingly I came across the following youtube video about a santa fe suffering similar issues and turning out to the the crank sensor wiring.

Worth considering!

https://youtu.be/prhEdlHweFE


That's smashing, didn't think about checking YT, the front bank coil packs were all swapped around between each other and confirmed to be working (at £130 each, I'm bloody glad!) So I'll look at the video again and do some more digging!

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Posted 11 April 2018 - 08:08 AM

Might be worth looking at www.rockauto.co.uk for coil packs, especially if they are £130 each! Price includes shipping to UK.

1st pic is for a 2008 model with the later theta engine with the vvt, 2nd pic is if you have the earlier delta engine.

Optima is the USA name for the Magentis if you weren't aware ☺

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Posted 11 April 2018 - 08:42 AM

How come when I had this bugger and asked the same questions, everyone deafened me with total silence yet 'Mr Popularity' gets all the help and assistance? Am I that unpopular?

 

I guess I can answer my own question... yes, yes I am really unpopular :(

 

 

 

 

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Posted 11 April 2018 - 05:54 PM

Mr Popularity? That's a new one! :mrgreen:

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Posted 11 April 2018 - 06:32 PM

Please clean something interior-wise in the interim. It would help, I guarantee* it.

 

Please.


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Posted 11 April 2018 - 06:35 PM

Mr Popularity? That's a new one! :mrgreen:
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Posted 13 April 2018 - 11:08 AM

Apparently the weather is going to improve next week. If that truly is the case then the cleaning posts will come thick and fast. Probably.

I've also managed to wangle borrowing my mates code reader are the end of the week so I can look further into the running issues.

Hopefully, we can get somewhere with this soon, as the Rover runs out of MOT next month and I'd quite like to get this out and about for a while.

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Posted 13 April 2018 - 06:41 PM

Have you done a compression test on the affected cylinder and compared it with a working one? Just to rule out mechanical problems. Is the timing correct?

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Posted 13 April 2018 - 06:56 PM

Have you done a compression test on the affected cylinder and compared it with a working one? Just to rule out mechanical problems. Is the timing correct?

I haven't, but I didn't feel it was necessary because it was both temporary and intermittent.

No idea if the timing is correct, or indeed how to check on modern cars.

In my defence, I did set the timing on this earlier this week!


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Posted 13 April 2018 - 07:05 PM

There may well be an ignition live to the injectors, but a switched return to earth. Can you switch the plugs between injectors to see if the problem follows the wiring? Or buy a noid light.


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Posted 14 April 2018 - 07:16 AM

You may be onto something there, as the return - earth point measured over 600ohms in the two plugs I tested.

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Posted 14 April 2018 - 07:19 AM

Also, thanks for the Noid lights hint - I knew there must have been a tool for this, as a multimeter doesn't refresh as fast as the on/off cycle of the injector, but I didn't know a name for it!

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Posted 14 April 2018 - 08:01 AM

Could you just clean something in the car, just a small patch of something? 

 

Just a little bit...... please. It's kind of making me twitch.


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Posted 14 April 2018 - 09:29 AM

Modern stuff usually switches both high and low side of the injectors, in case one of the transistors fails short circuit.
One of the sides is usually common to a half the injectors.
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Posted 16 May 2018 - 03:56 PM

Well, this happened a month ago, but I finally moved the Kia out to scrub off the copious amounts of bird shit.

 

42103784302_92877c9aa6_c.jpg160418-93 by Fat Harris, on Flickr

 

As you can see, it was pretty encrusted.

 

42150654731_59978541c8_c.jpg160418-94 by Fat Harris, on Flickr

 

A quick scrub later...

 

40343911740_f8fdf2ccb3_c.jpg160418-95 by Fat Harris, on Flickr

 

42150689981_000163f7dc_c.jpg160418-97 by Fat Harris, on Flickr

 

27279632147_07ccd2a84b_c.jpg160418-98 by Fat Harris, on Flickr

 

40343872040_24787c41f0_c.jpg160418-99 by Fat Harris, on Flickr

 

This was a month ago. I'll go outside in a second and post a picture of what the car looks like now.


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Posted 16 May 2018 - 04:03 PM

You tease. We need some interior cleaning action!!!! Autofinesse Verso is brilliant!


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Posted 16 May 2018 - 04:05 PM

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Posted 16 May 2018 - 05:02 PM

Naturally, I needn't have bothered. Fucking telegraph pole directly above it.fb64d4f146c44687f2131a59e1deea65.jpg

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Posted 17 May 2018 - 07:55 PM

So. I felt guilty about leaving the Kia alone for so long, so I did some work to it. 

 

42128958722_6de372ac95_h.jpgTrevithick Day2018-1 by Fat Harris, on Flickr

 

It needed moving over a bit so I could open all the doors.

 

42129334462_2b8644b1e9_h.jpgKia170518-2 by Fat Harris, on Flickr

 

Cor, look at the state of that. Can't be having that, can we?

 

42176125081_a3f5004753_h.jpgKia170518-3 by Fat Harris, on Flickr

 

Let's get this out for a proper clean.

 

41454779604_04063889c7_h.jpgKia170518-4 by Fat Harris, on Flickr

 

First up, the rear seat squab. Two clips on the front, and two 12mm bolts on the back.

 

41275496295_47c0c031f3_h.jpgKia170518-5 by Fat Harris, on Flickr

 

Pretty clear-cut where the dirt begins and stops :D

 

28303531458_5cc395839a_h.jpgKia170518-6 by Fat Harris, on Flickr

 

SO. MUCH. HAIR.

 

42176072281_ccfd88b2c5_h.jpgKia170518-7 by Fat Harris, on Flickr

 

Rear seat squab out, now to get the rest of the rear seat out.

 

40368642780_99115a5d22_h.jpgKia170518-8 by Fat Harris, on Flickr

 

40368627830_e5e046ade7_h.jpgKia170518-9 by Fat Harris, on Flickr

 

42176045261_a43c7a3d9d_h.jpgKia170518-10 by Fat Harris, on Flickr

 

42129243502_126b947420_h.jpgKia170518-11 by Fat Harris, on Flickr

 

Piece of cake.

 

Next up, parcel shelf trim bits, and eventually the parcel shelf itself.

 

42176026221_461a90db5b_h.jpgKia170518-12 by Fat Harris, on Flickr

 

40368588950_45a93d5449_h.jpgKia170518-13 by Fat Harris, on Flickr

 

And out! Bit fiddly, but manageable.

 

41454647954_1264164c79_h.jpgKia170518-16 by Fat Harris, on Flickr

 

As a billy bonus, underneath the parcel shelf was a bit of trim that was missing. Happy days!

 

41454670064_7077e84228_h.jpgKia170518-14 by Fat Harris, on Flickr

 

The cat came out to the car to find out why I was taking so long.

 

41454660434_c51fa9ad05_h.jpgKia170518-15 by Fat Harris, on Flickr

 

Next up, all four kickplates to come off. Hate these snappy clipped buggers.

 

41275345455_c88abbc5a3_h.jpgKia170518-17 by Fat Harris, on Flickr

 

42175917971_6c237f0de6_h.jpgKia170518-22 by Fat Harris, on Flickr

 

42129147662_a289741b90_h.jpgKia170518-23 by Fat Harris, on Flickr

 

The seatbelt pillar lower trim, was next to come off. Forgot to take an after shot.

 

40368469190_bd059b18e2_h.jpgKia170518-24 by Fat Harris, on Flickr

 

Next, the front seats. The passenger side nuts were quite corroded.

 

41275239705_262ad01d82_h.jpgKia170518-25 by Fat Harris, on Flickr

 

Even the feet of the seat were corroded. Not good on an 11 year old car. 

 

41275222615_258baeb3d1_h.jpgKia170518-26 by Fat Harris, on Flickr

 

Lots of space inside now.

 

42175864201_9f8d522bf3_h.jpgKia170518-27 by Fat Harris, on Flickr

 

SevenPoundCar is now SixPoundCar. Aside from this and a couple of golf tees, there were no fun freebies anywhere.

 

41275188575_a34afe8117_h.jpgKia170518-28 by Fat Harris, on Flickr

 

Centre console out next. Gear knob was thankfully an unscrewing jobby rather than a pull and pray type. 

 

41275172395_f4aff09875_h.jpgKia170518-29 by Fat Harris, on Flickr

 

The ashtray is probably a source of the strong tobacco smell. Can't confirm or deny though.

 

28303286808_20b83114e2_h.jpgKia170518-30 by Fat Harris, on Flickr

 

Footwell trim and foot rest next.

 

40368411230_b12c5efb07_h.jpgKia170518-31 by Fat Harris, on Flickr

 

Bit of shoving later, and the carpet came out relatively painlessly.

 

28303266988_d7534453a8_h.jpgKia170518-32 by Fat Harris, on Flickr

 

Which left us with this

 

41454458714_89e996a817_h.jpgKia170518-33 by Fat Harris, on Flickr

 

And, quite a surprise. Every available opening and aperture had some form f corrosion. Probably due to living by the seaside for a while.

 

42129060292_a1899b08b2_h.jpgKia170518-34 by Fat Harris, on Flickr

 

42129053382_43846cc5a0_h.jpgKia170518-35 by Fat Harris, on Flickr

 

42175780851_b35b10889f_h.jpgKia170518-36 by Fat Harris, on Flickr

 

41454419924_6ce3d1726b_h.jpgKia170518-37 by Fat Harris, on Flickr

 

42175763591_1bcb1d0adc_h.jpgKia170518-38 by Fat Harris, on Flickr

 

28303206318_83676c7630_h.jpgKia170518-39 by Fat Harris, on Flickr

 

42129177752_7ea2b71b05_h.jpgKia170518-20 by Fat Harris, on Flickr

 

27304079747_807f3da277_h.jpgKia170518-19 by Fat Harris, on Flickr

 

Rear door cards came off. Fronts were clean enough to get away with it.

 

27303825817_7729f84062_h.jpgKia170518-40 by Fat Harris, on Flickr

 

Then, many swears later (I mean, who the fuck glues the loom to the headlining through one loom, then doesn't provide an easy disconnection point?)

28303183098_08fda455df_h.jpgKia170518-41 by Fat Harris, on Flickr

The dangling loom in question.

 

42128994462_0118ee285f_h.jpgKia170518-42 by Fat Harris, on Flickr

 

So, I was finally left with this at the end of the day.

 

40368277910_53a6a56138_h.jpgKia170518-43 by Fat Harris, on Flickr

 

And left with a large "to-clean" list. Pictures with helper dog for scale.

 

27303758447_f444771c5a_h.jpgKia170518-44 by Fat Harris, on Flickr

 

The priority for this now is to wirebrush the corrosion I found, and give it a quick lick of paint. Then, clean everything as it goes back in.

 

WATCH THIS SPACE.


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Posted 17 May 2018 - 08:56 PM

Quite strange locations for the rust blebs are the not sealed from underneath?
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Posted 17 May 2018 - 09:05 PM

Great write up Sir. Sure this will be a rewarding endeavour.

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Posted 17 May 2018 - 09:09 PM

Holy shit!

When I give the interior of my car a quick clean, I tend to leave it in the car.
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Posted 17 May 2018 - 09:15 PM

Quite strange locations for the rust blebs are the not sealed from underneath?

I believe so, I didn't investigate further at the time. I'm guessing it's from wet dogs from trips to the beach, dripping on the carpet.

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Posted 17 May 2018 - 09:22 PM

That corrosion is weird. 

 

Liking the lengths that you go to re: interior cleaning. Approval rating 11/10.


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Posted 17 May 2018 - 09:28 PM

Youve dismantled it. You dont get service like that at the Albanian car wash. 17/10.
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Posted 17 May 2018 - 09:39 PM

Fuck that's a good effort. I was going to take the front seats out of the Civic to clean it/them, you've gone slightly* further than that!






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