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Saab 93 - electrics have died. Again. Probably Terminal

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#91 OFFLINE   SiC

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Posted 25 July 2018 - 09:30 PM

I wrote a post about how to fix it here:
https://www.saabscen...#/topics/140622

I can't believe it was nearly 8 years ago I wrote that!
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Posted 26 July 2018 - 01:33 PM

That's a useful read. I take it it's only this left hand rear wheel that needs the attention?


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Posted 26 July 2018 - 01:51 PM

I believe either have failed. You really need to get a fault code scanner on it that is capable of reading ABS codes on the 9-3. An OP-COM should be able to do it.
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Posted 26 July 2018 - 01:59 PM

I'll have a poke around with the multimeter at the weekend. I'm not busy and the mrs is out helping her friend choose a rescue cat. As long as she doesn't come home with one as well I'll be happy.

I bought a code reader from eBay but it arrived DoA and won't charge up, so looking to get a refund there.


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Posted 10 August 2018 - 02:10 PM

I'm tempted by this. Anything I should look for if I go and take a look? Half the mileage of mine. Ideally I'd want to see it running in the car just to make sure no blue smoke or OMGHGF etc.

 

https://www.ebay.co....sel engine.TRS0


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Posted 10 August 2018 - 03:54 PM

Apart from the broken timing case and cover, it does look as though it’s been standing outside for quite a while.

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Posted 10 August 2018 - 04:21 PM

I'll have a poke around with the multimeter at the weekend. I'm not busy and the mrs is out helping her friend choose a rescue cat. As long as she doesn't come home with one as well I'll be happy.

I bought a code reader from eBay but it arrived DoA and won't charge up, so looking to get a refund there.


The cheap code readers are unlikely to be able to read the ABS codes.
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Posted 10 August 2018 - 11:04 PM

The cheap code readers are unlikely to be able to take a charge and actually work

 

 

FTFY

 

I've had 2 turn up that have crapped out on me. Hopefully Stanky is still coming to the mini meet on 25th with his magic box.

 

Got a few small jobs I can be getting on with tomorrow on this car, might just unplug the wheel sensors on both sides and follow your guide SiC - I've had naff all car tinkering time the last couple weeks due to weather, work and some issues with stepdaughter that have taken priority over everything else. Still not found the swirl flap actuating rod, hopefully I can either bodge the loose one back in or remove it completely with everything in situ as I have some quite long long nosed pliers.

 

Regarding that engine on the fleabay, had some more in depth looks at it and it looks like it's a dog. Didn't notice the smashed up timing cover, but there are other things like a bent dipstick tube and things that look a bit broken which to me would say it's been taken out of something that's had a front end smash or a bit of rough handling being extracted from the car. Another will turn up that isn't a stupid price, especially if I search for Vauxhall ones not Saab.

 

Would an XUD fit?


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Posted 14 August 2018 - 03:28 PM

As noted on the Grumpy thread Saab died on way home from work. Nursed it home with no power steering and unable to open windows to give a hand signal.

 

Something is eating all the electricity coming from the alternator. Spent a good hour since I got home checking connections within easy reach and earthing points, all are good.

 

14v direct from alternator, only 12.1 at the battery so charge light comes up. Done the usual switching things on and off to see if there is a difference in voltage. Nada.

 

Come to the conclusion that either the main ECU is up the shitter, or there is a short or broken wire in the loom somewhere. It has got to the point that I got to do some serious number crunching and see whether it's replace or repair time. I think this may be the cause of the EML coming on and off at random, and the ABS/ESP/TC randomly not working.

 

Good points:

Economical, comfy, goes like shit off a shovel

 

Bad points:

Mysterious electric gremlin, needs swirl flaps doing, tapping noise (intermittent) from top end.

 

not sure where the main ECU is; don't really want to spend too much as this might not be the problem.


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Posted 14 August 2018 - 03:48 PM

14v direct from alternator, only 12.1 at the battery


Unless electrickery on cars has changed massively in the couple of years between the newest car I've worked on and yours, there should be just a fat cable going between the B+ terminal on the alternator and the +ve post of the battery (although it may go via other places on the way), so to drop two whole volts between the Alt and Battery means there is something very wrong with that cable, or your battery has internally shorted and is dragging current like a bastard.

I've no idea of the layout in your car, but can you trace that cable, and where it goes and what it connects to on the way? I syspect you'll find something chafed almost completely through, or very badly corroded. Quite what, I'm not sure, but there's something quite wrong there, and it's fairly basic.
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Posted 14 August 2018 - 03:54 PM

I am going to whip the battery out, give it a charge, then get it tested. It's only a few months old and has guarantee, I'm really hoping it's not that, but in a way I also am hoping as it's an easy fix.

 

The big wire from the alternator goes via the starter according to the "typical wiring diagram" the HBOL has. If I can find a decent diagram instead of Haynes' old tripe then it gives me a better chance of finding a bad connector or fault. Could be the starter motor or solenoid if this diagram is correct.

 

The main part of this sub-loom appears to go round the back of the engine, then under it, then back across it, then over it, then disappears somewhere else before it gets to the battery.

 

Could just run a feed directly from the alternator to the battery.....


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