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#61 OFFLINE   Stevebrookman

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Posted 22 February 2018 - 02:38 PM

Whilst £200 over 11 years works out pretty well, on the other hand if be fuming that just letting the battery go flat lands a bill that size in my lap.
What happens if you let it run out of fuel, a new engine? :-D


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Posted 25 February 2018 - 04:31 PM

This is booked in for diagnosis on Wednesday but I had some time today to have a look at the plugs etc.

7 look like this
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And one looks like this
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It sounds to me like it's running on all 8 cylinders (in hindsight I should have pulled the lead on the fouled plug to check).

Surely 7 plugs aren't steam cleaned?
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Posted 25 February 2018 - 04:34 PM

Swap them around.

 

When I had a LR with an older V8 it was running on about 4, I swapped the non-running plugs with the running ones & it stayed on 8 till I sold it months later.


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Posted 25 February 2018 - 04:36 PM

I took the tension off the fan belt and found a small amount of play on the water pump pulley. See also the water leaking in this pic.20180225_163225.jpg

I'll see what the garage say, but I'll most likely put a new pump on before condemning it to the breakers yard.
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Posted 25 February 2018 - 04:39 PM

Brought it up to temperature again and not even a modicum of heat from the heater.
Tried letting it bleed itself but no joy. It then started to overheat again after about 30 minutes.
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Posted 25 February 2018 - 04:42 PM

Are these the engines where that have a plastic impeller that falls off the waterpump? I know a few did around this age.


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Posted 25 February 2018 - 05:02 PM

The internet advice is certainly to avoid the plastic ones.
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Posted 25 February 2018 - 05:03 PM

I wonder if it's got one? lack of pumping due to that would cause overheating etc.


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Posted 25 February 2018 - 05:04 PM

Brought it up to temperature again and not even a modicum of heat from the heater.
Tried letting it bleed itself but no joy. It then started to overheat again after about 30 minutes.

 

 

 

One's water pump is fucked Sir.

 

Can you not fire one on yourself?


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Posted 25 February 2018 - 05:10 PM

One's water pump is fucked Sir.
 
Can you not fire one on yourself?


I will. I tried the motor factors on Friday but they were more than twice the price of online and couldn't get it before Monday. If I could have got one Friday or Saturday I would have had it on today.

I booked in it thinking liner slip and wanted that checked out before spending lots.
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Posted 25 February 2018 - 05:11 PM

If the head has to come off to check for liner slip then I think it'll be cheaper to put a waterpump on & see what happens.


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Posted 25 February 2018 - 06:20 PM

I'll speak to them first. Was hoping they could tell without taking the head off by pressure testing or something. If the head gasket is gone, the head will have to come off anyway.
If not, I'll do the pump and see what happens.
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Posted 25 February 2018 - 06:35 PM

Yeah I forgot pressure testing would work.


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Posted 25 February 2018 - 06:50 PM

You'll easily feel if the pump impeller's adrift if you give the pulley a spin while the belt's off.


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Posted 25 February 2018 - 07:24 PM

Brought it up to temperature again and not even a modicum of heat from the heater.
Tried letting it bleed itself but no joy. It then started to overheat again after about 30 minutes.

Did you check the thermostat?


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Posted 25 February 2018 - 07:42 PM

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Posted 25 February 2018 - 08:34 PM

Did you check the thermostat?


Haven't looked at that yet right enough. I wonder if I can just take the thermostat out and run it like that.
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Posted 25 February 2018 - 08:57 PM

You got some superhicalls wading in deep on this.

Good luck with the diagnostics and turns out to be just a pump and stat and coolant system bleed.

Make sure you age the heater on hot when putting coolant in
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Posted 25 February 2018 - 09:34 PM

If the heater isn't working and it won't bleed could there be some clogged pipes somewhere?

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Posted 25 February 2018 - 09:51 PM

Haven't looked at that yet right enough. I wonder if I can just take the thermostat out and run it like that.


I've had a read and it's a big plastic job inline with the hoses so I can't take it out like the old style that sat in their own housing. I could measure the temp of the hoses on either side though with the infrared thermometer. I should really do measure temp at top and bottom of rad and other hoses to see if there is a blockage or air lock.
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Posted 25 February 2018 - 10:29 PM

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That's my old one above, it pretty much had all of what you are facing with yours now. I replaced the waterpump, the heater matrix pipe, steering box, and then normal wear items - exhaust, brakes... it just needed some love!

Still rate it and would again if I could justify one!

By the way, i'm in Dundee and have the spanner and lock tool you'll need for removing the fan but more importantly, I have a car transporter that I'm happy to let fellow eejits borrow when in distress! Look forward to seeing you get this one sorted.

 


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Posted 28 February 2018 - 11:53 PM

I braved the beast fae the east to pop this into the hospital this morning for its diagnosis. Got away from work early to hear the judgement and the news wasn't great. Annoying but not surprising.

The doctor fed it some potion that changes colour if it detects hgf. It changed colour.

So what now?

Well I proceeded to totally fucking fuck it up, big time.

I thought I would nurse it home, up the Glen. Better to have it at home for fettling instead of at my shed 7 miles away.

Got about two miles before the temp gauge pinged into the red. I pulled over to let it cool down, threw some water in and set off.

This time the gauge crept up to the middle if the dial and sat there. Not only that, the heater blew hot air for the first time since I got it. Drove all the way home assuming an airlock had unlocked itself but noticed the heater cool down with about a mile to go. Temp gauge still at normal so cracked on. Turned into my drive and it conked out.

Had a look under the bonnet to find the cap wasn't properly on the header tank. I think all the coolant had gone. Gave it a couple of cranks but deed.

Had to leave it where it came to rest.
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Gave it an hour and tried it and it started up first turn. Filled it with antifreeze and let it idle. No obvious strange noises and it came up to temp and sat there for 20 minutes before I switched it off. No heat from the heater.

I think I'll still change the water pump and try some magic head gasket repair from a bottle.

I've been pricing replacement engines.
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Posted 28 February 2018 - 11:57 PM

It's a fucking disease. But just look at its beauty!

Hopefully you don't have the diagnosed OMGHGF.

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Posted 01 March 2018 - 12:00 AM

Ah, fuck.

 

But you did buy a P38.

 

So..... when are you going to pull the engine apart?


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Posted 01 March 2018 - 12:01 AM

It's a fucking disease. But just look at its beauty!
Hopefully you don't have the diagnosed OMGHGF.
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If it didn't have it before, it definitely does now.
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Posted 01 March 2018 - 12:05 AM

Ah, fuck.
 
But you did buy a P38.
 
So..... when are you going to pull the engine apart?


I might as well have a look before getting another one.

The mechanic said you have to skim both heads? Replacement engines from about £450 on eBay.
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Posted 01 March 2018 - 12:15 AM

Bad news indeed. Failing all else, you do have a nice garden ornament there though. You can have a nice picnic on the tailgate in the summer and take in the view.



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Posted 01 March 2018 - 12:24 AM

I'd skim the heads anyway, if you're committed to a rebuild.

 

Top-hat liners seem to be the cure, although tbh I'm new to this engine myself. Mine doesn't need attention yet...


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Posted 01 March 2018 - 05:42 AM

You need a 'Steve' see Wack for details.


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Posted 01 March 2018 - 09:53 AM

Steel Seal. Pull the stat out, pour it down the top hose and let it run for 30 mins. The fact that the heater blew hot for a bit suggests the pump is doing something but I'd still whip it out for an inspection.

 

How much is a cheap new or good used pump? Steel Seal is 30 quid.

 

Oh, and fuck repairing it properly. It's a P38. Fix that at great expense and the twat will bury you in something else. Before you know it you own a fucked £2000 P38 rather than a fucked £500 one. A fools errand.


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