Jump to content


Welcome to Autoshite

Welcome to Autoshite, like most online communities you must register to view or post in our community, but don't worry this is a simple free process that requires minimal information for you to signup. Be apart of Autoshite by signing in or creating an account.
  • Start new topics and reply to others
  • Subscribe to topics and forums to get automatic updates
  • Get your own profile and make new friends
  • Customize your experience here
Guest Message by DevFuse
 

Photo

Jaaaaaag XJ40: Game Over - Death by Alfa Romeo

Jaguar

  • Please log in to reply
117 replies to this topic

#1 OFFLINE   Broadsword

Broadsword

    Rank: Austin Maxi

  • Full Members
  • 178 posts
  • 1 thanks
  • Country : Country Flag

Posted 31 January 2018 - 11:03 PM

I hopped on a train this afternoon for no particular reason to look at a Jag. I departed having chipped £300 off the price and said I'll have to think about it. Anyway I've since said I'll have it and will collect on Saturday. Sneak peak photo below. So its a G-reg Jag XJ40 (it's as old as me!). Just like the old X300 I had it's the 4.0 litre. Ideally it would be a X300 4.0 Sport, but the right one was illusive and this XJ40 was close by. At one point I nearly went for an X350, but it sold before I got to it. This is a SWB Sovereign. Very rakish. Compared to the X300 it's definitely a step more old fashioned, definitely feels like crossing into classic car territory.

The reason I walked away from it initially is twofold. I'm now mature enough not to jump into things. Second, there was a slightly worrying amount of white gunk under the oil filler cap and all down the oil filler neck and a very brief timing chain clatter on startup. Doing my homework says the mayo is not the headgasket, but a lack of use. The timing chain tensioner is something I'm going to risk living with, many just seem to live with it without further trouble. That said it does seem to run very nicely on the test drive and all the needles point in the right direction on the dash.

The main reason I bought it was the lack of rust. Cosmetically it is rough inside and out, but that is mainly dirt. Unfortunately the former owner had strange taste and put hideous stickers and badges all over the shop. It looks like a UKIP councillor's car at the moment with a bonus England sticker on top of the engine for extra giggles, but it can be recued. Now back to the rust situation. The sills are perfect and there is no rust that I can see on the wheelarches and front wings, or anywhere on the body for that matter. Considering its 28 years old I think we might be winning here. Also it's passed the last 10 or so MOTs first time and rust has not entered the equation.

I have a couple of days to sort out insurance. I'm already insuring a Dagenham wheeliebin, so I'm thinking classic insurance. Never done it before, but the policies seem very flexible with commuting and travel abroad allowed. Any recommendations/experience? Does a classic car policy mess with your no claims on concurrent policies?

Attached Images

  • 5ac7963d5f425053817ae2eef13703ad.jpg

  • richardthestag, danthecapriman, alf892 and 20 others like this

#2 OFFLINE   Hooli

Hooli

  • Full Members
  • 9,205 posts
  • 95 thanks
  • LocationNr Doncaster
  • Country : Country Flag

Posted 31 January 2018 - 11:06 PM

Damn you, that reminds me how much I miss my 3.2S. Wonderful cars that feel so special to drive.


  • djimbob and cpjitservices like this

#3 OFFLINE   Nyphur

Nyphur

    Rank: Renault 16

  • Full Members
  • 2,945 posts
  • 22 thanks
  • Country : Country Flag

Posted 31 January 2018 - 11:06 PM

If you join the Jaguar Enthusiasts Club, you get a decent discount with Footman James.

The membership is £40 but from memory the discount with FJ was worth £80 when I insure my XJ40. I think I was paying £120 a year for 8k miles including commuting use and a month or so European cover.

That was with a reasonable postcode but left in public parking.

 

It wont interfere with your "regular" policy.

 

http://www.footmanja...tured-clubs/jec

 

EDIT - to clarify I joined the JEC specifically because the membership was outweighed by the discount with FJ. They send you a nice magazine each month and a welcome pack, but it wasn't really my thing. The discussion forum etc set the standard for "one make forum" nonsense.


  • richardthestag, AMC Rebel and cpjitservices like this

LAST OWNER WAS SON OF A BANKER

 

I put my trousers on, have a cup of tea and I think about leaving the house
It's got nothing to do with Vorsprung durch technique, you know?

#4 OFFLINE   Broadsword

Broadsword

    Rank: Austin Maxi

  • Full Members
  • 178 posts
  • 1 thanks
  • Country : Country Flag

Posted 31 January 2018 - 11:11 PM

If you join the Jaguar Enthusiasts Club, you get a decent discount with Footman James.

The membership is £40 but from memory the discount with FJ was worth £80 when I insure my XJ40. I think I was paying £120 a year for 8k miles including commuting use. With a reasonable postcode but left in public parking.

 

It wont interfere with your "regular" policy.

Footman James asked for £500, which was a bit of a shocker. Currently the best I got off a comparison site for classic policies was £297 with Lancaster. 5k miles a year and allows for commuting and EU cover and parked on the drive at a reasonable postcode. I saw someone recommend Lynbrook, but that will have to be on the phone tomorrow.



#5 OFFLINE   Hooli

Hooli

  • Full Members
  • 9,205 posts
  • 95 thanks
  • LocationNr Doncaster
  • Country : Country Flag

Posted 31 January 2018 - 11:19 PM

I think mine was with Lancaster at less than that. Inc business use & parked on the road. But it was about three years ago now.



#6 OFFLINE   danrhyn

danrhyn

    Rank: Austin Maxi

  • Full Members
  • 281 posts
  • 7 thanks
  • LocationWest Midlands
  • Country : Country Flag

Posted 31 January 2018 - 11:32 PM

Given you're still in your twenties I think being able to insure anything for under £300 is probably a win.
  • stephen01, RobT, Hooli and 2 others like this

2002 MG ZT-T 190+ - the dream machine, mostly working
2013 VW Polo 1.2 - hers

2012 (Lancia) Chrysler Delta SR 1.6TDI - SOLD


#7 OFFLINE   Nyphur

Nyphur

    Rank: Renault 16

  • Full Members
  • 2,945 posts
  • 22 thanks
  • Country : Country Flag

Posted 31 January 2018 - 11:47 PM

Footman James asked for £500, which was a bit of a shocker. Currently the best I got off a comparison site for classic policies was £297 with Lancaster. 5k miles a year and allows for commuting and EU cover and parked on the drive at a reasonable postcode. I saw someone recommend Lynbrook, but that will have to be on the phone tomorrow.

 

Go directly on the sites and get a quote, or phone up. Don't rely o the comparison sites.


  • richardthestag, Magnificent Rustbucket and Broadsword like this

LAST OWNER WAS SON OF A BANKER

 

I put my trousers on, have a cup of tea and I think about leaving the house
It's got nothing to do with Vorsprung durch technique, you know?

#8 OFFLINE   Conrad D. Conelrad

Conrad D. Conelrad

    Rank: 'Chairman'

  • Full Members
  • 6,669 posts
  • 8 thanks
  • LocationFrunfingley-on-Sea (Landlocked)
  • Country : Country Flag

Posted 31 January 2018 - 11:54 PM

Unfortunately the former owner had strange taste and put hideous stickers and badges all over the shop. 

 

32968369721_50f3637523_c.jpg

1991 Jaguar Sovereign by Conrad Conelrad, on Flickr


  • r.welfare, richardthestag, loserone and 19 others like this

#9 OFFLINE   Magnificent Rustbucket

Magnificent Rustbucket

    Rank: Renault 16

  • Full Members
  • 2,227 posts
  • 4 thanks
  • LocationCheshire, UK
  • Country : Country Flag

Posted 01 February 2018 - 12:09 AM

A lovely car and so much nicer than an X300.

 

What is that  just under the leaper? The poor old thing hasn't lost its false teeth has it?

 

 

Rust is the main killer of XJ40s. A rust free one is a good find. The mayonnaise in the oil filler tube is likely to be caused by short runs in cold weather. "They all do that, Sir," when used in that way. The start-up timing chain rattle is generally a weak upper tensioner. Again, not a rare problem. It is worth fixing if you are keeping it long-term but I haven't heard of one that has failed catastrophically - just got a bit noisy. The AJ6 is one of the toughest engines fitted to any car.


  • djimbob and Broadsword like this
1992 Jaguar Sovereign

#10 OFFLINE   Magnificent Rustbucket

Magnificent Rustbucket

    Rank: Renault 16

  • Full Members
  • 2,227 posts
  • 4 thanks
  • LocationCheshire, UK
  • Country : Country Flag

Posted 01 February 2018 - 12:11 AM

 

 

the Junkman looks like he is taking such pride here in fitting the chrome arch just-so.


  • richardthestag and Junkman like this
1992 Jaguar Sovereign

#11 OFFLINE   SiC

SiC

    Rank: Lancia Gamma

  • Full Members
  • 7,407 posts
  • 68 thanks
  • LocationBristol
  • Country : Country Flag

Posted 01 February 2018 - 12:19 AM

the Junkman looks like he is taking such pride here in fitting the chrome arch just-so.


Or is that Junkman is looking so surprised to be removing chrome strips and not finding rust and filler under them?
  • stormee, richardthestag, Junkman and 6 others like this
Current Fleet:
1974 MGB GT - A stereotypical classic car.
2007 Honda Civic EX CTDi - The reliable runner that is like the family pet.
2010 Aldi A4 - Owned to placate the wife on my crap buying


My history: 2003 Clio II 1.2 16v (First car), 2003 Honda Civic 3dr 1.7 CTDi (Isuzu lump), 1992 Mazda MX5 1.6, 2005 Mazda RX8 192bhp, 2005 Saab 9-3 1.9TiD 150bhp, 2007 Honda Civic 2.2 CTDi, 2004 Renault Scenic 1.6 Auto (Now Kiltox FiL), 2004 Saab 9-5 2.3t (Now Hooli), 2004 Smart Roadster 80bhp
Wife history (that she used/owned but I had frequent use of): 2002 Renault Clio II 1.2 16v (Billabong!), 2006 Mazda MX5 1.8, 2004 VW Golf 1.6 FSI, 2005 Renault Scenic II 2.0 (went bad from the drive back when buying it!), 2002 Vauxhall Astra 1.6 16v (now phil_lihp ex-colleague), 2005 Renault Laguna II v6 (Now angle)

#12 OFFLINE   Broadsword

Broadsword

    Rank: Austin Maxi

  • Full Members
  • 178 posts
  • 1 thanks
  • Country : Country Flag

Posted 01 February 2018 - 12:35 AM

@Nyphur It was actually Footman James direct who gave the quote for £500. Prices were lower on the comparison site, but I use that as a starting point and won't rely on it.

 

No chrome wheelarches of excellence for me unfortunately. No the modifications are far more subtle*. We have fake wood decking stuck on top of the front armrest with a chrome J for extra class. We also have a polished ally gearknob probably nicked out of some teenagers 1.0 Corsa. I genuinely have no idea what the thing in front of the leaper is. I think it got it's teeth knocked out in a fight or something. I'm annoyed about having the leaper again. It will have to go this time, but I know that will leave me with two holes in the bonnet.



#13 OFFLINE   The Reverend Bluejeans

The Reverend Bluejeans

    He's a right bastard.

  • Full Members
  • 7,498 posts
  • 32 thanks
  • LocationExeter. Movement of Jah people.
  • Country : Country Flag

Posted 01 February 2018 - 04:06 AM

A lovely car and so much nicer than an X300.



Quote of the week!
  • stormee likes this

MASTER RACE MOTORS.

 

1989 F  730i. Prestigious.

1998 R 318i Touring. Daily shitter.

1994 M 318Ti - Track whore

1998 S 323iA Touring. More shit.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

​We apologise for the continued delay. Your call is still held in a queue. Please have your reference number ready for the advisor. Your call will be answered as soon as possible.


#14 OFFLINE   lesapandre

lesapandre

    Rank: Citroen Ami

  • Full Members
  • 1,742 posts
  • 6 thanks
  • LocationParis Tokyo Deptford
  • Country : Country Flag

Posted 01 February 2018 - 08:04 AM

FJ are usually pretty good. It will be the commuting element that will bump it up I expect. If you don't need to drive it in connection with work try taking that out of the quote. If you are parking off-road or in a garage that will reduce further. You could get a banger for commuting work?



#15 OFFLINE   lesapandre

lesapandre

    Rank: Citroen Ami

  • Full Members
  • 1,742 posts
  • 6 thanks
  • LocationParis Tokyo Deptford
  • Country : Country Flag

Posted 01 February 2018 - 08:07 AM

This is one of the early Ford takeover cars when quality had improved. Worth researching its history. My very nice low mileage 90 Mercedes turns out to have been a Mercedes UK demonstrator in its first year.



#16 ONLINE   dollywobbler

dollywobbler

    Mr HubNut

  • Full Members
  • 26,368 posts
  • 58 thanks
  • Country : Country Flag

Posted 01 February 2018 - 08:21 AM

Try Peter S Taylor. You'll have to phone up, but then I've found that phoning up is essential to get a half decent classic quote from anyone. Great service and they're good on price too.
Club membership helps. Most insurers will offer a discount.
Oh, and I should probably say give Hagerty a go too.
  • stephen01, RobT and DeeJay like this

1972 Invacar Model 70
1986 Citroen 2CV6, 1998 Toyota Starlet S
2001 Perodua Nippa
HubNut Blog      HubNut Vids    Twitter


#17 OFFLINE   Bren

Bren

    Rank: Lancia Gamma

  • Full Members
  • 6,580 posts
  • 11 thanks
  • LocationI dunno man - i only just got here meself!

Posted 01 February 2018 - 09:31 AM

Your leaping cat looks like it's puked.
  • RobT and phil_lihp like this

#18 OFFLINE   phil_lihp

phil_lihp

    Rank: Renault 16

  • Full Members
  • 4,739 posts
  • 9 thanks

Posted 01 February 2018 - 09:53 AM

Your leaping cat looks like it's puked.

 

I'm afraid I have to agree, I came to the same conclusion when I saw those pictures.  It doesn't stop me being a bit jealous, mind, and also means I'm again missing the shambolic XJ40 I sold to Nyphur.  That was a 4.0 too and almost completely rust-free on the bodywork despite the state of the paintwork, the engine was an absolute gem as well.  



#19 OFFLINE   djimbob

djimbob

    Rank: BL Wedge

  • Full Members
  • 589 posts
  • 6 thanks
  • Country : Country Flag

Posted 01 February 2018 - 10:34 AM

That looks like a good 'un, if it has no rust you are indeed winning, as the four litre XJ40 is a brilliant car :)



#20 OFFLINE   Nyphur

Nyphur

    Rank: Renault 16

  • Full Members
  • 2,945 posts
  • 22 thanks
  • Country : Country Flag

Posted 01 February 2018 - 10:38 AM

For old time's sake ;)

 

car13.JPG


  • Magnificent Rustbucket, RobT, phil_lihp and 6 others like this

LAST OWNER WAS SON OF A BANKER

 

I put my trousers on, have a cup of tea and I think about leaving the house
It's got nothing to do with Vorsprung durch technique, you know?

#21 OFFLINE   lesapandre

lesapandre

    Rank: Citroen Ami

  • Full Members
  • 1,742 posts
  • 6 thanks
  • LocationParis Tokyo Deptford
  • Country : Country Flag

Posted 01 February 2018 - 11:17 AM

Agreed about ringing the insurance companies - if you have had several quotes useful to negotiate with too.



#22 OFFLINE   phil_lihp

phil_lihp

    Rank: Renault 16

  • Full Members
  • 4,739 posts
  • 9 thanks

Posted 01 February 2018 - 01:42 PM

For old time's sake ;)

 

attachicon.gifcar13.JPG

 

Dislike because it is no longer outside my house ruining my life.  I have never missed a car so much, although rose-tinted spectacles help considerably.

 

Thread derailment but whatever happened to it?  I remember your buyer was going to put nitrous in it.  It's vanished off the MOT and tax history sites so presumably is on a personal plate again - MOT histories stay online post-scrapping so I don't think it's been crushed (and why on earth would someone do that to it!) - fingers crossed it is enjoying some care and attention.  



#23 OFFLINE   Nyphur

Nyphur

    Rank: Renault 16

  • Full Members
  • 2,945 posts
  • 22 thanks
  • Country : Country Flag

Posted 01 February 2018 - 01:49 PM

It vanished off the sites within a week of me selling it, so I presume that yes it went straight on a personal plate.

 

The guy told me he was planning on using it as his daily, but also putting nitrous on it for dragging as you say. I can't remember how I found it, but I saw a listing of his for a Granada which he was selling as a rolling shell, which he'd been using for drag racing, but had since removed some monster engine, box and diff from - so its possible the Jag could have been chopped about to have the new drivetrain fit into it.

 

Honestly though he seemed absolutely made up with the car and how it drove/went, so I reckon its just on a private plate, possibly with/without N2O.


  • phil_lihp likes this

LAST OWNER WAS SON OF A BANKER

 

I put my trousers on, have a cup of tea and I think about leaving the house
It's got nothing to do with Vorsprung durch technique, you know?

#24 OFFLINE   richardthestag

richardthestag

    Rank: Renault 16

  • Full Members
  • 2,853 posts
  • 15 thanks
  • LocationBuckinghamshite and Devonshite
  • Country : Country Flag

Posted 01 February 2018 - 01:57 PM

this fred neds mor pichurs

 

top bombing btw


Shitroen C4 GP 2007 1.6HDi - Wife's daily written off, farewell trusty but slightly unpredictable steed

Pug 307 - son's daily runner Sold to Arthur Foxhake

Range Rover Vogue 1993 - my daily runner

Daewoo Matiz 2002 - Sold

Jaguar x308 Sovereign 4 litre - nicked by Fathathestag might be up 4sayle soon

Triumph Staaag 1973 - cheaper than a mistress.. just

Range Rover 1972 - ongoing extensive restoration

Range Rover 1972 - complete shed but in line for restoration

Land Rover 1969 SIIa SWB - belongs to Fathathestag but maintained and welded by me

BMW E46 318i touring - sold to hhhugues

 


#25 OFFLINE   stephen01

stephen01

    Rank: Citroen Ami

  • Full Members
  • 1,352 posts
  • 5 thanks
  • LocationSomewhere in the UK
  • Country : Country Flag

Posted 01 February 2018 - 03:21 PM

10922721_10205553368698590_7064748273175

 

3 years ago to the day I was getting excited to pick this baby 4.0 up! it wasn't meant to be and the guy sold it before I could make it up, fair enough pound notes in the hand beat me to it. 

​I've been looking again the last couple of days and this is not helping at all!


  • Magnificent Rustbucket likes this

#26 OFFLINE   Bren

Bren

    Rank: Lancia Gamma

  • Full Members
  • 6,580 posts
  • 11 thanks
  • LocationI dunno man - i only just got here meself!

Posted 01 February 2018 - 03:47 PM

I hope you had a good look at the bulkhead - some cars look great because all the rot is here.
  • They_all_do_that_sir and egg like this

#27 OFFLINE   Broadsword

Broadsword

    Rank: Austin Maxi

  • Full Members
  • 178 posts
  • 1 thanks
  • Country : Country Flag

Posted 01 February 2018 - 04:55 PM

Annoyingly there is now a rather amazing looking XJR X300 on Autotrader for £1200. It's miles from me (Slough). Someone here ought to go look at it. Had it been there yesterday I might have had a go, but it would certainly have ruined my life. @dollywobbler I gave Haggerty a go, very pleasant staff, but they wont insure under 30 year olds. I've got the insurance down to £243 with Lynbrook sans commuting, which isn't bad. Still waiting for Peter S. Taylor to call back with their price.

 

The bulkhead was the first thing I looked at. I still remember DW's Daimler videos so I was looking particularly around the windscreen and bulkhead area, especially for delamination at the bottom of the screen which seemed to be one of that Daimler's many problems. Of course you could have something bad somewhere under the scuttle, but there is always some risk to be taken. I'm hoping it's already done the worst of its rotting, the front inner wings have been welded in the past, but are solid now. I'm going to pick up a good quality wiper blade for the drive home in case it rains. The current one just spreads water across the screen instead of clearing it. Gotta love rakish single wiper action!

 

Here are some more photos taken from the advert.

Attached Images

  • 1.jpg
  • 2.jpg
  • 3.jpg
  • 4.jpg

  • Skizzer, Magnificent Rustbucket, Bren and 7 others like this

#28 OFFLINE   lesapandre

lesapandre

    Rank: Citroen Ami

  • Full Members
  • 1,742 posts
  • 6 thanks
  • LocationParis Tokyo Deptford
  • Country : Country Flag

Posted 01 February 2018 - 05:03 PM

Lovely. Later wheels? At the time pundits preferred the 4-headlights arrangement but the goldfish bowls were on the top of the range and were really what the design was all about. 



#29 OFFLINE   lesapandre

lesapandre

    Rank: Citroen Ami

  • Full Members
  • 1,742 posts
  • 6 thanks
  • LocationParis Tokyo Deptford
  • Country : Country Flag

Posted 01 February 2018 - 05:16 PM

This comes from the Bertone styling exercise commissioned by Jaguar in the 70's to look at the XJ6 successor.

Attached Images

  • 20180201_170949.jpg

  • Broadsword likes this

#30 OFFLINE   lesapandre

lesapandre

    Rank: Citroen Ami

  • Full Members
  • 1,742 posts
  • 6 thanks
  • LocationParis Tokyo Deptford
  • Country : Country Flag

Posted 01 February 2018 - 05:18 PM

Which itself was related to a 1-off by Bertone in 1966. Sir William Lyons and Bertone in this pic

Attached Images

  • 20180201_171341.jpg

  • Vince70 likes this





Also tagged with one or more of these keywords: Jaguar

0 user(s) are reading this topic

0 members, 0 guests, 0 anonymous users