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The further adventures of a Shitestang........................


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#1261 ONLINE   Joloke

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Posted 08 July 2018 - 10:47 AM

My dad has a screwdriver just like that too, no idea where it came from.

 

 

As for the brakes, it won't have been the dead servo warping the discs. Without the servo you can't brake as hard (as you know) so you won't get as much heat into the discs to warp them. Most warped discs I've seen (admittedly not many) have been down to dodgy calipers so one side of the disc did more work & they heated unevenly.

Im sending off for new Calipers so hopefully I can nip this in the butt ;)

I am also suffering from starting issues once the car has warmed up :(

Jim suggested he thinks its fuel vapourisation vapour lock I do no wonder if my return pipe is failing as the car always stinks of fuel :(

Think its time to take it off the road and get the house in order.................................


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Posted 08 July 2018 - 05:03 PM

I wonder if there are heatshields around the carb/fuel lines that have died with age? I don't know these cars but I'd imagine such things would be fitted.

 

Is it a leccy fuel pump? if so have you tried waiting 30secs with the ignition on before trying to start it, that'd give time for fuel to refill the carb after it'd evaporated away.


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Posted 08 July 2018 - 06:25 PM

Mechanical fuel pump- no heat shields as it's been modded. Bit of fuel vaporisation going on, best thing is to lift the hood and turn it over a couple of times without any gas pedal, get a bit of cooler air through the carb. My chainsaw was at it today, driving me nuts!
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Posted 08 July 2018 - 06:27 PM

Time to add a heatshield? Not sure it'd do much good in the middle of a Vee though.


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Posted 08 July 2018 - 07:49 PM

An electric fuel pump would be the way forwards, a low pressure one off something modern should do the trick for very little expenditure.
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Posted 09 July 2018 - 06:51 AM

Yes its mechanical,theres a starting proceedure in the owners handbook if you just try to start it you will be there forever! It says from cold turn the key to start postion,push the gas pedal to the floor then release it they turn the key to run.

Always starts first time then!

I never had this issue until this insanly hot weather,will it calm down when it gets a little less hot?

Bit worried my fuel lines might be failing I read somewhere in conjection with fuel vapourisation that is the return line is failing car will stink of gas and you will have lousy consumption...................

Ok its a V8 and you dont expect it to be good but it should be getting around 15 urban 20 odd on a run and its more like 10 and 15 somethig isnt quite right?


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Posted 09 July 2018 - 06:54 AM

My chainsaw was at it today, driving me nuts!

Have you been at the Japanese Bush?


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Posted 09 July 2018 - 07:33 AM

While we are talking about pressure could the fact my fuel cap wont seal properly be causing issues too?

Its a really annoying design there two cut outs on the filler neck where you line up pegs on the cap then two spring loaded almost like minature door latches pop out.

To be honest they are so pant you can put it on without its key and for that matter probably take it off without the key too!

I much prefer the locking caps I remember where when you turned the key a whole cam would turn and draw the cap in and lock it into place this design seems feeble but the only one you can get for these cars :-(

Thinking of getting a non lockable one just as a test to see if it seals better because for those you appear to turn the whole cap to lock it which is a much better design :mrgreen:

My filler neck looks like this

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And my cap like this

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I am thinking of getting a stock no lockable like this

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Posted 09 July 2018 - 08:47 AM

Have you been at the Japanese Bush?


Nope, and it ain't Japanese thankfully!
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Posted 12 July 2018 - 10:06 AM

Havnt done much for the last few days but the next tasks are get the instrument illumination working and the wipers working.

I fear the wipers will be a much bigger job after the dash is removed but hopefully by the end of the weekend I will have Dash Lights :)

When I got the car only one dash light illuminated that was the seatbelt warning................

It seems that all these cars suffer from dash light Issues..................................................................

This is a replacement cluster and only the oil light and one Turn Signal tell tale works on this one :-(

I am currently waiting on a couple of imperial socket sets to be delivered because ive been using a combination of some old very chewed ones,a set currently on Yoyo from a neighbour and even cheating trying to use the nearest Metric :roll:

Anyway until they arrive I cant progess any further with getting the cluster out but as a have a couple of spares I thought I would harvest some bulbs and holders :idea:

All my spare clusters had bulbs missing but between them all I collected 16 Bulbs with holders then tested them for continuity only to find all 16 were cream crackered! Or where they?

Turns out that despite them testing as buggered once pulled out of the holders and tested 14 of the 16 were good bulbs :mrgreen:

I did think about buying a whole new set of holders but

A either cheap from china on a "they will got here eventually................. Maybe?" or £9 for £10 in uk :shock:

B Its not very Autoshite buying new parts if you can save the old bits is it?

So I decided I would take these ones apart and clean them!

So they started like this

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Then after extracting the pins I had a pile of Blanks!

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So I set about stripping off the oxidisation,I figured they are wayy too small and fiddly for sanding or wire wool so set up an in house science lab with household acid and alkaline ;)

First the dirty pins went into lemon juice which removes all the dirt in minutes but turns it filthy just as quick!

Then the cleaner pins went into White Vinegar to finish off the job ;)

Lemon on Left,Vinegar on Right.

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Before going into a solution of Bicarbonate of Soda in warm water to stop the vinegar carrying on eating the pins!

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Before resting on kitchen paper to dry

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Then I just had to pinch the contacts close a bit as they had become a tad loose over the years :(

So with them reassembled and the bulbs cleaned up with rubbing alcohol we now have 12 original bulb holders and old bulbs ready to go and now showing perfect continuity from the holder pins through the bubs :mrgreen:

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There were two sets of contacts that were badly pitted and wouldnt clean up as well though they do indeed work but as I only need 12 ive set those aside for an emergency and chosen the best ones for installation.

Once my tools are here its cluster trim out,cluster out then clean all the printed circuit contacts,multiway connector and as I have a new Headlight Switch I will replace that as it controls instrument brightness as well as the headlights.

So not much to tell but cleaning up small parts means I have less to do once the cluster is out!

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Posted 12 July 2018 - 03:38 PM

Have you been at the Japanese Bush?

Giggitty!


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Posted 12 July 2018 - 04:08 PM

Nice chemistry skills there, I wouldn't have thought of that.


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Posted 13 July 2018 - 12:16 AM

Giggitty!


Yes, fnnar fnnar, didn't consider that!
Always fancied a trip to Japan too...
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Posted 13 July 2018 - 12:19 AM

Appears tiny brass kangaroos are now living in your car Jo...
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Posted 15 July 2018 - 06:40 PM

So today I decided to sweat my tits off inside a car with Vinyl Interior!

I took the headlight switch shaft out followed by the fake wood instrument fascia

To be faced with this

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Then This

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Oh bugger my mechanic actually glued it to the dash rather than glueing the pieces and then screwing it to them :(

And I need to get behind there :rolleyes:

After much Merryment and swearing in a foriegn tongue I was at this stage and I soon had The Prize!

See that large Multiway Connector,remember that more about it later..................................

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So I brought the cluster inside,the contacts were looking a little grubby.

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But after some tlc from a dish sponge (green side/dry)

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They were looking much better :mrgreen:

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All that was left was to reinstall the bulbs and check for good continuity which they then all had :mrgreen:


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Despite that though when I connected it back up I had lost one light I had before yet gained a couple more but the ones to illuminate the gauges themselves still dont work :mad:

I now have two Indicator/Turn Signal Tale Tales My Full Beam Tell tale now works but my oil light no longer works..................................

I do wonder id I need to retension the the pins on the multi way connector to make better contact?

I will check for voltage at that plug tomorrow it gets supplied by the headlight switch as theres a rheostat on it to dim the dash lights so any one of these could be suspects?


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Posted 16 July 2018 - 07:50 AM

Really handy having a couple of spare clusters and plugs.

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I have probed the spare cluster and found the supply pin for the backlight bulbs :mrgreen:

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The wire sticking out on the left is the ground,the two to the right the supply voltage.

In theory now all I have to do is take the plug out to the car for reference check that pin for volts and if its there its not making good contact,if its not I need to look at the headlight switch as that where it takes the voltage from ;)

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Posted 16 July 2018 - 09:50 AM

Just to double check, it is a 12v cluster right? I don't know yanktanks but a lot of older normal cars run a different voltage (often 5v) to the cluster via a voltage stabiliser, I'm not sure if that feeds the bulbs or just the clocks though.


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Posted 16 July 2018 - 09:58 AM

Need some help guys (dont I allways!)
Got my instrument cluster out because of no dash lights.
 
Cleaned all the contacts on the pcb at the rear cleaned bulb holders and then checked everything for continuity with the cluster on the bench and it was 100% Even ran the lights with a 9v battery they all work ;)
 
Put it back in the car and nothing!
 
Used my spare cluster and plug to determine which wires power the bulbs and found its the Rlue/Red ones at pin 3
 
So I probed the pin with the lights on nothing no voltage :(
 
I then probed the headlight switch plug nothing on the Blue/Red then realised there probably wont be because theres no switch! But there is headlight voltage coming into the switch
 
I checked the headlight switch itself there wasnt even continuity between the Wiper Pin to the dimmer rheostat and itself so I replaced the switch but we allready know theres no voltage so as much as the new switch is good its not that!
 
So the cluster lights work outside of the car powered up by a battery ive replaced the headlight switch and headlights work good but non of the gauges illuminate
 
Most of the warning light are fine now but the oil light but i think thats a bad contact?
 
Its the 4 gauge illumination bulbs that I am stumped with!
 
Work out of the car not in and there appears to be no voltage at the big plug?

Heres a Circuit JeeExxEll provided a while ago

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Help!!!

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Posted 16 July 2018 - 09:59 AM

Just to double check, it is a 12v cluster right? I don't know yanktanks but a lot of older normal cars run a different voltage (often 5v) to the cluster via a voltage stabiliser, I'm not sure if that feeds the bulbs or just the clocks though.

Yes its all 12v ;)


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Posted 16 July 2018 - 11:33 AM

That makes life easier at least.


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Posted 16 July 2018 - 06:22 PM

Diagram sucks for this one.

All I can guess is the light blue/red stripe wire from the light switch goes back to the fuse box and from there hits up the rheostat and other things that don't dim.

Check the dash illumination fuse first. It should be zero volts to car body with the lights off and battery voltage with lights on, both sides. If you got power only on one side of the fuse, there you go. Wiggle fuse. Curse a bit.

If not, Trace back to the headlight switch.


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Posted 16 July 2018 - 07:52 PM

bypass the rheostat as well just to be sure


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Posted 16 July 2018 - 08:01 PM

I think its the fuse,checked it and with the headlights on its 12v on the right but 0v on the left :-(

Its the little 4amp ones you sent me Phil :mrgreen:

Guessing it should have 12v either side?

I can get to it to get my fingers to pull it out but I can get my Multimeter Probe on it

I was a bit surprised would of thought the hot side would be the left but this must go Right to Left?

I cant work on it for a few days now but I will probably get back to it on Thursday


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Posted 16 July 2018 - 08:17 PM

i think you need to try white/blue trace for dash lights for live

 

the double red looks like it connects to thr earth side of a lot of bulbs looking at the track which is labelled "white"!


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Posted 16 July 2018 - 09:22 PM

i think you need to try white/blue trace for dash lights for live

 

the double red looks like it connects to thr earth side of a lot of bulbs looking at the track which is labelled "white"!

I think there were changes during 75 just realised when I had the fused link issues this diagram didnt match up :(

Definately Blue/Red the grund on the plug is black and those Blue/Red go directly to the bulbs and match up at the fusebox


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Posted 16 July 2018 - 11:21 PM

i was using the pics of the cluster following the tracks and  my thought was top left for earth and right 4th down for live which looks like double red & white/blue on the plug


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Posted 16 July 2018 - 11:26 PM

i spose you could work backwards and loop two wires round a bulb holder in the cluster stick 12v up it then find which wire on the plug is now live


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Posted 17 July 2018 - 12:13 PM

I think its the fuse,checked it and with the headlights on its 12v on the right but 0v on the left :-(
Its the little 4amp ones you sent me Phil :mrgreen:
Guessing it should have 12v either side?
I can get to it to get my fingers to pull it out but I can get my Multimeter Probe on it
I was a bit surprised would of thought the hot side would be the left but this must go Right to Left?
I cant work on it for a few days now but I will probably get back to it on Thursday


Don't argue their logic. Right, left.. psh. Yes, it should have volts on both sides of it. The volts drop should be negligible across a fuse, the work in this case is being done by the resistance of the light bulbs.

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Posted 20 July 2018 - 09:00 AM

Back home from a short break and feeling refreshed I decided to Crack on with this.

I now have a backbone like a Sweet peanut after extracting this fuse on the left! They put paper inside them so you cant see if they are blown,dont know why?

So I then replaced it with a nice shiny one provided by Phil A :mrgreen:

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All sounds very easy but after disconnecting juice then being a contortionist and prizing one end out with a pocket screwdriver in a area I couldnt actually see I had the prize! And putting the new one in was equally fun I dropped it 4 times,the 4th attempt it snook down behind the carpet so I lifted it to find no less than 6 new fuses of various values under the carpet no doubt from past fuse replacement attempts overseas...............................................

So Did it work?

Well sort of..................

At first it was during the day so I couldnt see any dash lights but I pulled the bulbs after trying and they were hot so must of been getting juice?

Ill show you the first photo out of sync so I can explain somethong ;)

The bulbs have little blue filters on them shaped a little like the sherbet saucers when had from the sweet shops as kids. They are sort of listerine mouthwash in colour

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The above bulb and filter is on show without the fascia as theres a light tube over it to illuminate the headlight switch ;)

But the other bulbs use the same filters.

Thing is we have this situation..................

Bulbs are original to the car I think some are from the 70's?

I noticed that some have black spots despite still working.

Bulb holders are original to the car and despite cleaning them they have lost the spring tension hence why I think some despite working are still not lighting up :-(

I definately need new holders but all the ones on Fleabay are China or Hong Kong with a long lead time.

Or in the UK at a price that doesnt resemble the cost....................................

I need new bulbs too but cant decide do I go incandescant or LED? the light from the bulbs is pants!

Not sure if its the fact the lenses are dirty,the bulbs are past their best or if I would be better off going modern with LED illumination? Anyway here are the money shots (dont expect a Wow factor here its a 70's Ford!)


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Posted 20 July 2018 - 09:21 AM

If it helps my Capri ones aren’t much better than that either! I don’t think they were ever all that great really.
Great that they are actually working though.
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