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I Sold my Mustang :( All Hail and Long Live the Shite Stang!


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#631 OFFLINE   Dave_Q

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Posted 16 April 2018 - 04:26 PM

I really wouldn't panic about the new MOT regs, I don't think it makes much difference to you?

If it was me I would do the minimum to get it running, chuck it in for test and get a list to work through.

You will at least get a mojo boost from driving it down to the garage, to/from an MOT is fine while insured on the VIN even of you have to do it 2 or 3 times.
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Posted 16 April 2018 - 04:27 PM

Aah, sounds like Monday blues Jo.

Seatbelts - bolt them in and try them. If they lock up too much / or don't lock try tilting the reel slightly then retightening. Bit of trial & error. Have had Fords before which would lock up the belts early if you were on a steep slope downwards and had to lean forward with the belt on. I think the angle the reel sits at is quite important for it to work properly.

Burnt thin yellow wire - cut it off and throw it away, make the good end safe for now. Can see to suppressor later (I think it's just the radio suppressor wire isn't it ??). Possible very low resistance to earth through a faulty suppressor?
The slightly damaged insulation on the thicker yellow wire can be taped. No point in cutting an otherwise good cable then having to tape 2 joints. Separate any other damaged bits you find til autospark can check it out.

Plenty to do in the meantime.
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Posted 16 April 2018 - 04:45 PM

What they said really.
I wouldn’t worry too much about the new MOT regs, most of it applies to cars way newer than this so don’t worry and don’t put extra pressure on yourself over it. Just do what you know needs doing then get it tested. If it fails then drive home (the long way...!) and fix the fail points then take it back again.

Your tyre, or should I say tire, situation sounds like a bit of a dodged bullet to me. They sounded like a bit of a potential hazard if the rubber beads were that bad. Good new rubber is always a good thing!

I bet a Pinto engined Mustang was a massive anti climax too!! God only knows how slow they must have been! Not exactly what you’d expect from a Mustang.
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Posted 16 April 2018 - 05:19 PM

^ Absolutely. Replacing the tyres was to be expected anyway for safety and at least they'll be new from 'day 1'.
Progress.

Good excuse to maybe rub down and repaint those rostyles too.
(In-expensive quick Mojo boost, therapeutic too).
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Posted 16 April 2018 - 06:50 PM

As has been said fresh rubber is a good thing, its one less thing to worry about.

Seatbelts, if the mechanic doesn't reckon it needs any I'd probably leave them off to worry over at my leisure.

If you can't get an auto spark out for a few days forget about the electrics and worry about other things.

There's a few basic MOT checks you can do In the meantime, check condition of brake lines, brake flexis etc. Minor stuff but worth ticking off the list.

Almost everything you've struggled with so far has been due to consumables / service items even the fuses.

New tyres will visually lift it, they always do and if you are struggling just look at that carb

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Posted 16 April 2018 - 08:39 PM

Thanks Guys

Having a rough day to be honest as its not all about the car.

The rubber was a bit of a bummer but of course your right :)

Its really nice to have people who believe in me some arse on a Mustang Group has put me down for the car twice

First this when I asked for advice/


  "Always know your mechanical limitations before taking something on... if you can't do it yourself then buy a running & driving car...."
  
And when I posted about the tyres being worn out


"You should have bought this... the 15 Magnum 400's really look good!"

I Replied how is your comment Helpful?

To which he replied................


"I meant instead of the one you have.."

Guys a Jerk,he thinks if im not sure I shouldnt try or learn and thinks I should give up on the car because of the tyres!

WTF

He also said


"The biggest mistake Ford made was putting 13in wheels on our cars, they look so much better on 14/15's"

Yeh right every other car in the 70's were on 14's and 15's they were everywhere wernt they!

You guys allways boost my Mojo the Mustang Community however "Nil Points!"

Meanwhile ive just discovered that the wingnut holding in the spare wheel is rusted solid and I need to get it out for Wednesday! Opps!

I know ill get there just seems like its always biting me right now.

If the car was already registered id be ok about everything but Im trying to do it at a faster pace to get it registered.

Everything underneath seems ok just that track rod end rubber

I think the lights are the following....................

The indicators,its the indicator cam have one on order

Iffy bulbs,grounds I think?

Horn same thing the bracket is rusty i think it grounds through its body?

wipers I will check the fuse

Seatbelts?

Ill try moving them around a bit but my feeling is they are supposed to be mounted inboard and ive turned them around and its not helping :(

And I have lots of dashboard warning lights to look at :(

I suppose at a push I could wire the wipers up to another switch?

Just feeling a bit down on myself at the mo,normal service will be resumed soon..............................







 


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Posted 16 April 2018 - 08:52 PM

Ignore that arrogant know-it-all bell end of the other place. We could all easily sit in our armchair criticising others like that. Piss on him!
Carry on regardless, learn by doing and all that, then get the car you’ve always wanted out of it.
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Posted 16 April 2018 - 08:54 PM

Bellend has a point in comments about not taking on more than you can chew, but it doesn't look like you have. I've not seen anything in this thread to suggest the shitestang needs more than general maintenance, it just needs a lot of it at once due to lower standards in yankyshire.

 

Like you say you've gotta learn somehow & a solid car that just needs sorting is ideal for that so you carry on Jo.


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Posted 16 April 2018 - 09:06 PM

Just felt like he was kicking me when I was down :(

Ive always ben one for saving stuff,what the point of saving everything that nice and shiny?

If nobody saves ones like this they have no future and that would be very sad.....................

Shitestang is one of those cars that deservs another roll of the dice and I plan on giving it that roll ;)

What hasnt helped with SS is that its had things done to it and its about finding out those changes and working out what i am looking at because things aint always connected as they should be..........................

 


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Posted 16 April 2018 - 09:09 PM

Seems like your doing a decent job on it from here, you've already got the most important skill - to know when to stop & research things before making it worse.

 

You'll get there. Any chance of SS making shitefest?


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Posted 16 April 2018 - 10:17 PM

Seems like your doing a decent job on it from here, you've already got the most important skill - to know when to stop & research things before making it worse.

 

You'll get there. Any chance of SS making shitefest?

Which Year?

:lol:


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Posted 16 April 2018 - 10:18 PM

1986, all shitefests after that were shit! :D


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Posted 17 April 2018 - 07:45 AM

Didnt sleep much last night, all the issues running through my head :(

That said I studied the Wiper circuit until I went Doolally!

Sometimes things are right in front of you and you just cant see it or fathom things out..................................................

Theres 6 wires on the internal switching for the wipers on the Indicator Stalk,the Stalk is foobered if im honest but prohibitively expensive so may have to wait?

Two wires are just go and return for the washer switch on the end of the stalk so you have 4 wires left

Power

Ground

Fast

Slow

So I am guessing if I unplug the connector further down and disconnect the stalk and operate the switch I will find what joins to what with a continuity meter?

Also once we have electrickery again I am guessing I can just probe the connector it came from for juice?

I will be checking fuses first though ;)

The earlier Models had the Wiper Switch in the dash and the stalk was simply a lever for the indicator cam if needs be bypassing it to another switch might be the short term sollution?

I am kind of wishing now that I had bought a dash mounted wiper switch like they had the year before when I placed my US parts order as those are cheap as I could of mounted that somewhere and bypassed the fubered stalk? Oh Well...............................

Looking at the stalk though I assume the end with the switch comes off otherwise how would they of got the switch in there?

Photo Nicked from Interwebs my lever is nowhere near as nice :(



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The switch must be a simple affair I may be able to repair it even if it does look tatty.....................

I will clean up the fusebox and as belt and braces measure change all the fuses if then dashboard warn lights havnt reappeared its time to pull the cluster and replace bulbs I guess?

I will list whats left here later and see if I can work through them ;)

Jo


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Posted 17 April 2018 - 07:55 AM

Re the seatbelts aren't American cars different in how they operate?

All cars nowadays just lock when you pull them quickly,whereas septic stuff didn't as the mechanism works on a pendulum,So will only lock up under deceleration?

Maybe I'm talking bollocks but do remember this Detail from somewhere.
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Posted 17 April 2018 - 08:05 AM

So Whats Left?

Get wiring Repaired

Tyres (Tomorrow :) )

Get Wipers,Washers and Lights all working Check Fuses Clean Grounds etc

Still a fuel pipe needs tightning its not leaking its just fumes really

Bodge Transmission Bezel back together

Fit Rear View Mirror (fell off)

Replace Drivers door mirror Fixing Broken and I have another anyhow ;)

Wire Sidelights properly into headlamps

Get Horn working

Get the shite aftermarket Chinese Seatbelts to work.........................................

Replace the Headlight Switch and HI Beam Switch as the first is intermittant and the second doesnt work :(

Thats it really

The only biggies really concerning me are

Wiring sorted

Getting Wipers going

Indicators

And making those sodding Seat belts work!

Interested to know what gauge wire I should be using to hook up the sidelight bulbs?

The wiring to the grill mounted lamps isnt long enough so need to lengthen the leads....................

Doesnt seem like a lot but it seems like a huge mountain to me :(

Just thought I will Change the colour  on each of these as I do it :)


 


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Posted 17 April 2018 - 08:08 AM

Re seat belts, read through to the end.

 

 

 

http://mtaeta.info/t...-locking-advise


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Posted 17 April 2018 - 08:08 AM

Re the seatbelts aren't American cars different in how they operate?

All cars nowadays just lock when you pull them quickly,whereas septic stuff didn't as the mechanism works on a pendulum,So will only lock up under deceleration?

Maybe I'm talking bollocks but do remember this Detail from somewhere.

You might be right on the originals but its the replacement belts that are refusing to play ball :(

They are just too loose :(

It could just be crap belts but I fear buying one brand after another after another and non of them working :(


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Posted 17 April 2018 - 08:14 AM

Re seat belts, read through to the end.

 

 

 

http://mtaeta.info/t...-locking-advise

:)

I will have a word with the tester today,Sams car is going in for test so will have a chat about it ;)

Must be honest though Im not happy driving it with belts that dont make me feel secure :(

But at this point its all about getting an MOT to Register the little shit!


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Posted 17 April 2018 - 09:44 AM

I am occasionally convinced that folk are taking a swing at me  often by totally innocent comments. I then micro fucking analyse the whole situation and my mind takes a huge downward spiral and I end up wanting to hide. motivation takes a nose dive. counselling has helped me spot triggers and wipe them out before they start niggling at me

 

in a nutshell

 

ignore the idiot on the mustang forum, or lie and tell him what he wants to hear, ;) fucking knuckledragger will probably just go away

 

You are doing a good job here, the dream is being lived :D 


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Posted 17 April 2018 - 09:48 AM

Just a quick MOT Question?

My Rear is sagging (the car not me :lol:)

Rear leaf spring are coming tords their useful life and have taken on a flatter profile.

I know they will need doing but they are not broken whats MOT stance on this?


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Posted 17 April 2018 - 09:59 AM

If just a bit flatter through age and not obviously broken then they'll be fine.
IIRC there's a check on front & rear bushes but no point in worrying about a problm which may not be there.

At one time it was quite a common mod on tuned V6 Capris to have deliberately flattened (single leaf) springs - i.e. owners would pay to have it done.

Good to see you're organised with your list, don't let that Mustang Club twonk's comments upset you. I like the classic 65 to 73 Mustangs like everyone else but sometimes it can be a bit overload and (dare I say it) it can get to the stage where they all merge to look the SAME.
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Posted 17 April 2018 - 10:01 AM

so long as handling is unlikely to be affected should be no issue. There are companies who will disassemble and retemper OE springs for you rather than new reproductions stuff.

 

Land rover series repro springs are rubbish


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Posted 17 April 2018 - 10:11 AM

Single make car forums are usually full of self opinionated rivet counters....and also folk who don't actually Use their cars..just few select car meets a year , then 11 months and 3 weeks of polishing..

 

stuff em all.....if you enjoy a car , then stuff em...the few niggles are nothing - after all you're getting your 'dream' vehicle..also being #patina'd# you wont be afraid of parking it anywhere, whereas the polish mad fetish merchants probably park miles from anything paranoid of a fly farting on it!!!

 

PS didn't yanks have lap belts??? if so  grab a set from a discovery Mk1 jump seats in the rear, then jobs a good un!!


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Posted 17 April 2018 - 10:15 AM

I sympathise with you Joloke.

 

I have a shite E36 BMW. Whenever I mention to other BMW 'enthusiasts' that it's a 320i automatic, I get snide comments like "My condolences" etc.

Yeah yeah, not everybody can afford the only surviving 2.8 manuals that haven't been crashed into a wall backwards in Fife. Fuck 'em, I like it, and I love the shitestang!


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Posted 17 April 2018 - 12:06 PM

Wiper stalk should come apart, that will be a very simple switch inside.

Horn might just need a sharp wallop while someone is holding the button down, if that liberates any kind of noise then most have an adjustment nut or screw that can be tweaked so the points work properly and it makes a loud tone. Mine didn't with when I got it, and after hitting it to free it up it made a plaintive mooing noise until it was adjusted to a nice loud beep.

On the dash the only lights that have to work for MoT are the high beam telltale and indicator telltale.

So long as the springs aren't broken, a little saggy is fine. Down the road you can always get them re-set to new again. Keep the original steel if possible and get them properly heat treated. Decent engineering workshops can do this. I think all yours needs is for the rubber bushes to be ok and a quick bounce test on both sides to make sure it doesn't keep bouncing up and down (knackered dampers). I think it's something like it needs to not bounce more than 1.5 times after it's released (push down, bounce up, bounce down, stop- not counting the little wobbles of the tires).

Sidelights will be fine on something around 14 gauge (about half the diameter of a single wire in regular 13A household flex). That's more than the lights will need but probably about the minimum gauge wiring used in the car by Ford.

Best of luck, it's just lots of little things that can all each be worked through systematically in little bites.


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Posted 17 April 2018 - 12:33 PM

As others have said that is a fairly minor list of faults. It is always better to buy an honest car rather than a shiney one. I wouldn't trust anything that had been restored in America without a full photographic file as they do love expanding foam and filler. I probably wouldn't mention the belts to the tester as they are something that gets overlooked quite often. Once you get the reg then the real work starts to get it how you want it rather than how some twat in the owners club thinks it should be. A project car will always end up being more expensive than just buying one someone else has done but at least you will know the car has been done to a standard you are happy with and you will learn a lot about it on the way.


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Posted 17 April 2018 - 02:34 PM

PS didn't yanks have lap belts??? if so  grab a set from a discovery Mk1 jump seats in the rear, then jobs a good un!!


Some did some didn’t.
On mine it’s fitted with a 3 point seatbelt. But the top belt mount is into the cars roof just behind the front seats. But they also separate so you can only use the lap belt if you want to.
The top (roof) mount section hangs down with the top half of the belt permanently attached. The lap belt section pulls across your lap and clicks into the buckle, then you pull the top section across your shoulder and clip it to the lap belt!
Bizarre way of doing it and they’re utter shit! So shit in fact I never use the top sections. I only ever use the lap belt. Possibly illegal (73 car so over here has to have a 3 point?) but I don’t care it’s my car and up to me if I don’t use the belt properly! Technically I can’t get pulled over and shafted for not wearing a seatbelt because I am using it, albeit only part of it!

Anyway, that’s not a bad list Jo. Most of it’s just electrical gremlins or altering wiring. Not too bad at all.
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Posted 17 April 2018 - 08:39 PM

(off topic)

 

Dan, have messaged you on here. Cheers.


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Posted 17 April 2018 - 09:05 PM

I would not be fretting over this car. When it got it's first owner Concorde was just entering service, Jimmy Carter was US president and many of us were eating jubblys while watching Space 1999.

It's an old car with a few issues. None of which are impossible to sort.
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Posted 20 April 2018 - 10:25 AM

Update Time!

Sorry for the radio silence guys.

Not been too well dont cope well with the heat.

Also had a corrupt file on my PC causing havoc and crashing my Pootah all the time!

Anyways.............................


Tuesday my neighbour helped remove the rusted tie down from the spare wheel ;)

Several Days of PlusGas and the biggest F O Mallet ever and it was free!


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Despite being very rusty they were saveable I think? More Anout that later ;)

Once the tyre was out there was a horrible mess of Water/Plusgas mix,Rotted Plastic Bags and sound Deadining Material that was a little crisp!


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And the piste de resistance an whitewall Uniroyal of such old vintage it had no date!

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I washed down the wheel and it was then stored under the car until the next day............................

Next just was to scrub out the wheel well  then let it dry in the sun and generally prod it to make sure it was still solid (and it was :) )

Still need to be hoovered wire brushed,painted etc but its not greasy and wet anymore :)

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Also played about with the trunk alignment as its shut wonky and was hard to shut since it arrived :(
It now shuts beautifully and easily


Final task for the day was give the tie down a bath in the finest used (never through anything away!) Pickling Vinegar ;)


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So that was Tuesday,Wednesday to be Continued........................


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