Guest Hooli Posted January 21, 2018 Share Posted January 21, 2018 It does make sense, gawd knows what bit you'd look for on this though. I'd suspect it's a Mk2 Escort part as I believe the kits often got tailored to specific donor car, so you'd get slightly different brackets to fit Cortina bits compared to what you've got etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nigel bickle Posted January 21, 2018 Share Posted January 21, 2018 Did you check the wheel cylinder was free at both ends? Would be a pity to have to strip it all again... Stanky and danthecapriman 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stanky Posted January 21, 2018 Author Share Posted January 21, 2018 Bumhats no I forgot - oh well! Thats something for another day I think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chodweaver Posted January 21, 2018 Share Posted January 21, 2018 Is this a fair representation of what is happening? The tube at C moves in the direction of the arrow as it's not anchored, so the 'pull' at the T piece does not result in a pull at the nearside hub? Sent from my BV6000 using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mitsisigma01 Posted January 21, 2018 Share Posted January 21, 2018 Or is it a cable clamp missing/loose .Congrats on the very close to running achievement Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mally Posted January 21, 2018 Share Posted January 21, 2018 Handbrake cable outer is fastened to flat brk. Flat brk is attached to axle with floppy piece of rubber.Inner cable attached to lever at wheel cylinder. steel bar from flat brk to other side lever.Inner cable pulls one side. Outer cable pulls flat brk, pulling steel bar attached to lever at other side. Photo to follow maybe which will explain in far better terms. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mally Posted January 21, 2018 Share Posted January 21, 2018 There is ample room in my garden for your axle to join the party whenever you see fit. Stanky and UltraWomble 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stanky Posted January 21, 2018 Author Share Posted January 21, 2018 /\ /\ /\ THIS The rubber bung by your left foot is what is missing, which when pulling force is applied along the pipe what happens is the entire pipe/sleeve moves, rahter than the intended idea of the cable within the sleeve moving in isolation. Have some dire photos of the underside of the Geep, in the rain. As you can clearly* see, there should be a bung/bush in this void between the clip and the pipe/sleeve (yes I know its well manky) - at present what happens is the sleeve moves over to the right hand side of the picture when the handbrake is applied. This should stay put (I think that this bush thing provides friction stopping the sleeve from moving) when the handbrake is applied. I reckon that maybe if I can get a dry day, then I can slide underneath with a pair of calipers and measure the diameter of the sleeve, and the diameter of the clip to work out how thick a bung is needed to fill the hole. It'll need to go in in 2 parts i suspect, and be sort of D shaped. I can probably cut down an ARB bush or something maybe? Mally, can you get a cose-up pic of the rubber bung in that axle so i can see what sort of thing I need? (not immediately obvs), and possibly how it looks like it should locate? That pic makes it look like it should have a lip one end? Sigmund Fraud 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Talbot Posted January 21, 2018 Share Posted January 21, 2018 Are you sure there's a cable down the centre of that "tube"? It looks like a not-dis-similar setup to the Mk2 and Mk3 cavalier, in that essentially the inner cable is attached to one side handbrake lever, and the cable outer is connected to the other side handbrake lever. When you pull the lever on, the load on the inner cable is equal and opposite to the load on the cable outer, so the handbrake levers are pulled on by the same amount. It looks very much like the rod from the cable terminator side over to the other side handbrake lever is siezed in place somewhere. I suspect the bush you're referring to is simply a guide to stop it clattering about while you drive. danthecapriman, alf892, John F and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stanky Posted January 21, 2018 Author Share Posted January 21, 2018 Are you sure there's a cable down the centre of that "tube"? It looks like a not-dis-similar setup to the Mk2 and Mk3 cavalier, in that essentially the inner cable is attached to one side handbrake lever, and the cable outer is connected to the other side handbrake lever. When you pull the lever on, the load on the inner cable is equal and opposite to the load on the cable outer, so the handbrake levers are pulled on by the same amount. It looks very much like the rod from the cable terminator side over to the other side handbrake lever is siezed in place somewhere. I suspect the bush you're referring to is simply a guide to stop it clattering about while you drive. That makes sense, though I'm fairly sure there is a cable inside the tube - note the gaiter in Mally's picture? assuming I'm wrong though (and this is the default position!) then why would one side work and the other not, when we know that the levers on the back of the drum are freed up now? Talbot 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spartacus Posted January 21, 2018 Share Posted January 21, 2018 It's not to do with that bung. My money is on a seized or slipping automatic adjuster. You need to take it apart, give it all a really good clean of with a wire brush then reassemble it using a very small amount of oil, (one drop), to lube any pivot points. If there is an automatic adjuster fitted it will look like a fine ratchet, these get filled with brake dust and slip. The other culprit could be that one of the cables has seized in its outer sleeve, thus only pulling one brake on. Stanky and alf892 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mally Posted January 21, 2018 Share Posted January 21, 2018 It's not a tube, its a solid rod.My rubber bung looks one sided, from memory there should be a lip at both sides?Anyway you can have mine if it comes out, but as said I don't think the lack of rubber matters.Your rod looks different to mine, looks like yours ends shortly after the 'rubber' but has another length of bar attached?My gator is on the end of the cable. The cable is not connected to the rod at all.They don't have automatic adjusters, there's a square on the back plate to turn. Usually rusted up! Read my post before the photos, its difficult to follow, but when 'gator' pulls, the outer cable causes the brk to move towards the left. The rod is bolted to this brk, therefore the rod moves left, other end of rod pulls brake on other side. It's even harder to follow that! Stanky 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stanky Posted January 21, 2018 Author Share Posted January 21, 2018 I plan to get someone to pull the handbrake on and let it back off again several times while I lie underneath and watch exactly what happens then will re-read this and it should all make perfect sense! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mally Posted January 21, 2018 Share Posted January 21, 2018 On my photo, the rod has two nuts, one each side of a plate. the cable outer works just underneath the nuts, by pressing on the same plate. The plate I refer to has a flat piece of rubber which attaches it to the axle and allows sideways movement.You need to watch for sideways movement at the plate/flat rubber.It is possible to adjust the nuts along the rod to increase pull at the other end but this is not normally required. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timolloyd Posted January 21, 2018 Share Posted January 21, 2018 I plan to get someone to pull the handbrake on and let it back off again several times while I lie underneath and watch exactly what happens then will re-read this and it should all make perfect sense!I read that a bit quickly, as you lying down while someone pulls you off several times danthecapriman, mat_the_cat, They_all_do_that_sir and 5 others 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Talbot Posted January 21, 2018 Share Posted January 21, 2018 That makes sense, though I'm fairly sure there is a cable inside the tube - note the gaiter in Mally's picture? Both photos are of the cable terminator side of the axle. What's on the other side? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stanky Posted January 21, 2018 Author Share Posted January 21, 2018 I read that a bit quickly, as you lying down while someone pulls you off several times Chance would be a fine thing! Mind you, once this baby is roadworthy I'm going to be fighting the laydeez off with a shitty stick, right? Right? errrr... The Moog, timolloyd, eddyramrod and 3 others 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeeJay Posted January 21, 2018 Share Posted January 21, 2018 I've said it before Hope you have a big stick ready for the fan club. You won't be able to find a big enough stick. Stanky 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danthecapriman Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 Sounds like you've got the advice needed for the handbrake now, however... http://www.burtonpower.com/handbrake-rod-to-axle-guide-bush-sf1828k.html This is the bush you need which your currently missing. eddyramrod 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stanky Posted January 22, 2018 Author Share Posted January 22, 2018 Top man, thanks Dan! danthecapriman 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stanky Posted January 22, 2018 Author Share Posted January 22, 2018 microscopic update. 18mm P-Clips arrived today, I R SIMPLETUN and assumed the measurement referred to inner diameter, so the 8mm ones were a bit, ummm, tight? These new ones should have enough room to accomodate the sidewalls of the pipe too, and not choke off the fuel supply. I'll fit them next weekend and carefully remove the old fuel line in case it might yield some useful parts. At present the new fuel line is cable tied to the old one... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Exiled_Tat_Gatherer Posted January 23, 2018 Share Posted January 23, 2018 Top marks fella - nothing beats that first cough of potential life.... onwards and upwards is the only way to go. Looking forward to a rolling video in the very near future - always set goals Managed any further investigation on the handbrake cable/levers? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stanky Posted January 23, 2018 Author Share Posted January 23, 2018 Sadly not, I'm mildly peeved that friday was a lovely, sunny, dry day - then it poured with rain all weekend, and then yesterday was sunny and dry again. Sod being stuck in an office on a dry day when i could be fixerating the Geep! I'll need someone to apply the handbrake while i lie underneath and watch what moves and what doesn't - but need a dry day for that. Sod lying in a puddle with bits of rust falling in my eyes! eddyramrod and danthecapriman 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danthecapriman Posted January 23, 2018 Share Posted January 23, 2018 I know how you feel! It pisses me off immensely when the weekend is wet and when your back at work the suns out. I'm a bit busy lately, got a few things going on at home and work, but if you ever want a hand doing anything, even if it is just pulling the handbrake lever, just give me a shout and I'll try to pop over if I can. It's no bother! eddyramrod and Stanky 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stanky Posted January 24, 2018 Author Share Posted January 24, 2018 Bit of a win on local freecycle tonight, 2 sheets of 8' x 4' Aluminium di-bond sheet which is sort of two sheets of thin ally with a 'core' in between. The stuff they made a big fuss about in Grenfell tower? Yeah, that basically. Its about 4mm thick and will become the new floor of the Geep, laid on top of the existing plywood. It used to be part of a 8' high sign for a local carpet warehouse, they re-branded and were getting rid, as they couldn't take it to either the tip, or the local metal merchant. It should be ideal for the floor as its light, strong and easy to cut to shape. djim, DeeJay, Skizzer and 10 others 13 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mitsisigma01 Posted January 24, 2018 Share Posted January 24, 2018 Probably better to remove the soggy if only to reduce the weight by a fair bit .When fitting the new floor are you creating a low point with a plughole on each side to allow the rain out ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stanky Posted January 24, 2018 Author Share Posted January 24, 2018 A lot of it has been removed already, I'll have a serious look at the front footwells because they seem to be in a worse state than what is left of the rear floor, though thats nice and easy to work on because it's just a flat square. Thats certainly where I'll begin. I'm going to see if I can put a very gentle set of folds in it to make it slightly concave to let accumulated water out yes! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mk2_craig Posted January 24, 2018 Share Posted January 24, 2018 Use a bit of heat when doing so, as dibond can have a tendency to shatter, depending on how thick the aluminium sheets are! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stanky Posted January 24, 2018 Author Share Posted January 24, 2018 Thanks for the heads up! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeeJay Posted January 24, 2018 Share Posted January 24, 2018 Pull the rear floor up and you might be able to see the handbrake junction from inside the car. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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