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#1861 ONLINE   Honey Badger

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Posted 13 February 2018 - 10:16 PM

Not sure there'll be room for them. The handle holes go pretty much into a curve. Awful design. Will hopefully get the doors off so I can show this better.

 

Maybe a bit of ally plate bent to the curve bonded on with a MMA adhesive would help spread the load, it would also give you something to laminate against, it's going to be fun finding the right shade of ladyboy blue gelcoat as well.

 

Top work with this wee motor, the videos are top notch as well. 



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Posted 13 February 2018 - 10:17 PM

Maybe a bit of ally plate bent to the curve bonded on with a MMA adhesive would help spread the load, it would also give you something to laminate against, it's going to be fun finding the right shade of ladyboy blue gelcoat as well.

 

Top work with this wee motor, the videos are top notch as well. 

 

Thanks. That's more my thinking. 


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Posted 13 February 2018 - 10:34 PM

No, haven't done a compression test. It drives. If it can cruise at 50, I'll be shitting myself. I'm still blaming the carburettor, as that's easier.


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Posted 13 February 2018 - 11:07 PM

That's the one I think...Didn't realise it was meant to have a lid!

 

First plan for mine is to stick in in the dishwasher, it seems to do a fantastic job of cleaning brass up like new.

 

I've nothing against the fuses to be honest - it's just the fact that it's becoming increasingly difficult to find them in physical stores that puts them out of contention for me.  The only ones I seem to be able to get within 10 miles of here at suppliers I know are boxes of 2x 20A ones...other ratings, nope!  Have to resort to web based suppliers.

 

I know, carry spares and all that - but you could be good money on the one day that you accidentally short something out showing someone something and pop the one that isolates the entire starter and ignition system would be the day that the spares weren't in the car or you've just given them to someone at a show to sort their own car out with...Murphy's Law and all that...

The advantage of the glass fuses is that in an emergency you can replace them with a Philips screwdriver bit from a Poundland socket set.


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#1865 OFFLINE   dollywobbler

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Posted 13 February 2018 - 11:07 PM

The advantage of the glass fuses is that in an emergency you can replace them with a Philips screwdriver bit from a Poundland screwdriver set.

 

That's what I did yesterday pretty much...


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Posted 13 February 2018 - 11:29 PM

Doubt it'll work. These were never registered to the driver as far as I can work out.


Ah, that'll be a problem. Who did actually own them? I assume records are long gone...

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Posted 13 February 2018 - 11:36 PM

Rough guess the DHSS owned them


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Posted 13 February 2018 - 11:55 PM

Just a thought, DW. Have you done a compression test on the engine yet?
Mate was by here today and mentioned that the "sneezing" that both of ours is currently doing (which nearly lost me my eyebrows today at one point) is a classic symptom of a slightly leaky inlet valve.


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Posted 14 February 2018 - 07:06 PM

New oil filter and rocker cover gaskets arrived today, so they got fitted and I refreshed the oil again.

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All seems to be staying inside so far, though my poor neighbours have had to put up with a shouty flat twin once more. Aircooled cars are LOUD!

 

Oil recommendation is straight 30 grade, though 20 in the summer. I was warned away from synthetic as it can apparently cause problems with the oil seals. However, I ran out of 30, so she's got a mix of that and semi-synth 10w40. Started absolutely instantly (after an ignition-off crank to build up oil pressure), but she's definitely chugging a bit on tickover. I left her idling for a bit, and the nearside rocker cover was much warmer than the offside, so that iffy valve theory may be true after all. Open the throttle and she chugs briefly before clearly firing on two. Can't say I much fancy pulling a head off, so wondering if some Redex abuse may help.

 

Also received new (well, used) lower plates for the engine. They're not great, so I really am going to have to strip those and paint them I suspect.


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Posted 14 February 2018 - 07:30 PM

Excellent progress, I don't think I quite 'get' the Invacar thing but that doesn't stop the videos being entertaining viewing.  The first test drive was a good distraction whilst peeling vegetables, looked absolutely terrifying.  I wasn't expecting it to be that lively but as has been said, they don't weigh much I guess.  My only memory of these is being in the car with my parents as a kid and us being held up by an elderly lady driving one through Westward Ho! very slowly with much uncertainty of direction.  


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Posted 14 February 2018 - 09:06 PM

You will sort this Ian, you may gain more grey hairs in the process mind, plus perhaps a singed beard when the carb farts


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Posted 14 February 2018 - 10:23 PM

There is an old boy in Cheltenham who drives his mobility scooter on the road, this is a pavement model with no plates or lights or anything, I like to think he is dreaming of a drop top Invacar but the scooter is the closest he can get.

I do remember these in Herefordshire in the early 1990s but they had all gone by about 1996.

Anyway well done for persevering and look forward to seeing this beast in it’s plastic blue flesh in July.

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Posted 14 February 2018 - 10:35 PM

I remember one of these being driven regularly on the Clee Hill to Ludlow road in South Shropshire in the early to mid Nineties on a regular basis. Very glad to see this one brought back to life. It'll give many people a WTF was that moment as it trundles by hopefully.


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Posted 15 February 2018 - 02:55 AM

I think this will be a real attention grabber at the festival, because they virtually vanished overnight, at one point you saw em everywhere, then as Ian would put it, 'ptssssssssh', gone. You deserve much kudos for doing this Ian, this really is a long lost bit of motoring history you are bringing back to life,and being disabled myself it brings a real smile to my face to see this project developing. Team Wobbler are doing a sterling job, well done to you & Rachel


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Posted 15 February 2018 - 07:58 AM

Thanks folks. Comments like that do help with motivation. Still a lot to do!

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Posted 15 February 2018 - 08:54 AM

Have you gone for the non existent foot brake yet? Must we weird to drive, would love a drive in one.



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Posted 15 February 2018 - 10:15 AM

Oh yes! If you watch the first video, it cuts to my right foot trying desperately to operate a brake. They are scary to drive, with a lot of potential for disaster. No wonder they got such a reputation...

 

Anyway, here's another video, containing another drive.

 


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Posted 15 February 2018 - 12:05 PM

Oh yes! If you watch the first video, it cuts to my right foot trying desperately to operate a brake. They are scary to drive, with a lot of potential for disaster. No wonder they got such a reputation...

Anyway, here's another video, containing another drive.

https://www.youtube....eature=youtu.be

Just as an aside seems a nice place you have there, quirky layout to the house

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Posted 15 February 2018 - 02:29 PM

Charging yes but it shouldn't go out by going dim. Does look like it cuts off the no-charge warning though and cuts back in too soon.

It should be a sharp on/off so it looks like the regulator just needs a bit of adjustment. Those Lucas ones are good once they are set up but it said in my book it all needed to be adjusted up when it was up to temperature. What's "up to temperature" in Wales?
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Posted 15 February 2018 - 02:31 PM

Thanks folks. Comments like that do help with motivation. Still a lot to do!

 

 

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Posted 15 February 2018 - 05:32 PM

Regulator on these is a Bosch unit, and I've heard from a few people in totally different places now that they can be a swine of a thing to adjust properly.


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Posted 15 February 2018 - 05:34 PM

Regulator on these is a Bosch unit, and I've heard from a few people in totally different places now that they can be a swine of a thing to adjust properly.

 

Aye. The procedure is in the manual, and looks horrendous. Especially as you daren't meddle with it running, so you need to put the cover on, THEN see if it's made a difference. May go solid state. Or may just live with it. The fact it keeps starting suggests it's getting enough charge.


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Posted 15 February 2018 - 07:38 PM

Oh, nice. The act of refitting the lid puts it all out of whack?

How novel. Introducing microwave waveguide style tetchiness into something designed to have minimal maintenance.

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Posted 15 February 2018 - 08:03 PM

Oh, nice. The act of refitting the lid puts it all out of whack?

How novel. Introducing microwave waveguide style tetchiness into something designed to have minimal maintenance.

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No, but it means you can't do adjustments on the fly. It's disconnect battery, remove voltage reg lid, faff about in a very precise manner (preferably with special tools), put lid back on, reconnect battery and see what difference it makes.


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Posted 15 February 2018 - 11:15 PM

not sure if this will work on a dynastart but maybe worth a looksee- check charge light wattage and if its 1.2/1.5w change for a 2w as this has the effect of lowering the required engine speed to start charging (this is a genuine mod for minimetros with a flickering alt light at idle as listed in the good ole HBOL)


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Posted 16 February 2018 - 07:40 AM

Voltage reg failed in my GS. It was a Paris Rhone one. Was replaced with a modern solid state Beru one from GSF.
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Posted 16 February 2018 - 07:46 AM

I've got a solid state one on the 2CV too. Think I might even have a spare somewhere, so I just need to work out the wiring differences.

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Posted 16 February 2018 - 02:09 PM

i wonder if a mr wobbly would be desirious of some of these little rascals

 

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Posted 16 February 2018 - 03:20 PM

No, but it means you can't do adjustments on the fly. It's disconnect battery, remove voltage reg lid, faff about in a very precise manner (preferably with special tools), put lid back on, reconnect battery and see what difference it makes.


That sounds efficient*.

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Posted 16 February 2018 - 04:22 PM

I happened to be in the Riverside Museum in Glasgow yesterday and snapped this little fellow

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seems to be having rear light issues too

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slightly more conventional controls

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the wee man in the bobble hat is my nephew who had a great day out :)
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