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#1441 OFFLINE   Sigmund Fraud

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Posted 21 January 2018 - 12:47 PM

try to keep the springs from falling off as you thread them through behind the flange,

 

Small cable ties can help with this bit !



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Posted 21 January 2018 - 01:21 PM

Great! New one has a much smaller bore.

 

To be fair to Angry Dicky's employers, there is absolutely nothing on the old master cylinder to suggest what the bore might be. The new one kindly has the bore stamped upon it. 

 

Restoring old cars is rubbish.

 

 

did some googling, this eBay ad would suggest a 7/8" bore for the original

 

http://www.ebay.co.u...vAAAOSwCQZZEGNq

 

It's about the most info I can find - is the old one rebuildable?


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Posted 21 January 2018 - 04:14 PM

Old one is certainly on the large side. Maybe I should just have left it be, but I'm pretty sure it was leaking slightly. I'll discuss with Angry Dicky once he's back in the office.

 

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Posted 21 January 2018 - 04:47 PM

It looks like a standard Girling type cylinder, there's probably a BMC/BL product that uses the same. I'm thinking A60 Cambridge.


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Posted 21 January 2018 - 04:51 PM

It looks like a standard Girling type cylinder, there's probably a BMC/BL product that uses the same. I'm thinking A60 Cambridge.

 

It is, but there are a lot of different bore sizes in the same housing.


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Posted 21 January 2018 - 05:09 PM

Hope the stream's staying out of the garage...  :(


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Posted 21 January 2018 - 05:12 PM

I did take the precaution of removing all tools and electrical items from the floor, but thankfully the flood waters are receding. It would have to be pretty spectacularly bad to flood the garage, but I certainly wasn't ruling it out earlier.


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Posted 21 January 2018 - 06:13 PM

I'm glad I post up my complete lack of knowledge for the world to see. So far, I've learnt that I've got one of the shoes upside down, and that I've put the wrong flare on the pipe. I can see why people farm out jobs you know...

 

All this makes me very glad* that the government is getting rid of MOTs for 40-year old cars, because obviously every other classic car owner out there actually knows what they are doing...


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Posted 21 January 2018 - 06:19 PM

I always try to unseat the shoes before removing the springs as it takes the tension off.
Then do the opposite when refitting.
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Posted 21 January 2018 - 06:27 PM

Aye, that's what I'm trying to do. However, if my brake flare is indeed utterly shit, then I've got bigger problems, as I'll need to find a way to remove the pipe. Given that the body is entirely in the way, I've a nasty feeling I'm going to end up having to remove it. On the plus side, separating the two will make it much easier to just weigh the chassis in for scrap and turn the body into a nice garden feature with some plants in it.


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Posted 21 January 2018 - 06:32 PM

i enjoyed watching your vid, always do, didn't enjoy your pain and mistakes.

 

but then you know now double flare on male fitting doh

 

do you still want a length of 3/8 kunifer brake pipe, can post you a couple of feet as payment for my enjoyment of this thread. after all it is pointless buying 10 foot of the stuff unless you want to donate 8.5foot to a bastard range rover project on the other side of the brizzul channel.

 

also when I do drums with no access like on the staaaag driveshaft and hub come out, backplate comes off, clean paint, reassemble shoes and cylinders on the backplace in the comfort of whereever you want to be, then refit backplate and driveshaft hub.

 

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that said I have no idea how the driveshaft and hub fit the inva. probably find the manual says remove brake drum and shoes first

 

 


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Posted 21 January 2018 - 06:33 PM

, as I'll need to find a way to remove the pipe. 

 

cut a hole through the shell, with a hole cutter in the right place, sheet of glassfibre and resin to repair after


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Posted 21 January 2018 - 06:45 PM

Thanks. Pipe may be appreciated, though Twosmoke was offering some, and I'm seeing him on Wednesday. Will know more tomorrow once I have a look at it all with a fresh head. 


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Posted 21 January 2018 - 06:55 PM

Awesome Fred :)
I clearly remember these Invacars around Brighton when I was a child; they must have made an awful lot of em. Seems odd to me that the Government didn't get Reliant to do a version of theirs.
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Posted 21 January 2018 - 06:57 PM

Seems unlikely that the hub needs to be removed to get the shoes on - though they may indeed by a royal swine.  Seem to recall swearing at the shoes on the back of the Corsa when I had to change them.

 

Hub dismantling instructions, Page 71 of the manual...

 

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If it was just a case of "remove this clip then everything comes apart" it might have been reasonable...looks more involved though.

 

Removal of the body would indeed be a pain, but in terms of the longer game might not be a bad idea, certainly would aid in checking for and resolving any rust issues that might be lurking...


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Posted 21 January 2018 - 07:00 PM

I would just cut out as much of the original pipe as possible and run a new line in a more convenient route.

Have done this plenty of times and provided it's secured properly (every 300mm from memory?) It'll be MOT safe....

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Posted Yesterday, 01:59 PM

Haven't got time for much tinkering today, but did have time to get a battery and test lamp on the spares car and confirm the ignition timing is ok. It's advanced rather than retarded. 

 

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That said, I was having difficulty getting a good connection through the points, but have at least confirmed that the seized distributor is not a big problem here. I suspect robbing the new set of points off the other one wouldn't be a bad idea.

 

May try and get it running at the weekend, but it needs the carburettor from the other one.

 

In brake news, can't quite face the garage today but I'm sending both the old and the new master cylinder to Angry Dicky so he can decipher exactly what size the old one is and either send the correct one off the shelf, or rebuild the original unit.


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Posted Yesterday, 02:59 PM

I really enjoyed the latest video, it shows exactly how 'fixing' stuff turns out in the real world.
I'm glad it is not just me that has those days/weeks
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Posted Yesterday, 03:11 PM

I really enjoyed the latest video, it shows exactly how 'fixing' stuff turns out in the real world.
I'm glad it is not just me that has those days/weeks

Ditto. Its amazing how a simple job can turn into arseache. 


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Posted Yesterday, 03:16 PM

Yup, I'm keeping it real alright. I don't hide my fails. 


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Posted Yesterday, 03:28 PM

Yup, I'm keeping it real alright. I don't hide my fails.

Summer weather will help... Automotive fails are common at this time of year.
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Posted Yesterday, 09:50 PM

Will be really interesting to see how differently the parts car runs with the timing set right.

 

How does the recorded mileage compare between the two?

 

Have to admit to a certain degree of body condition envy with regards to that spares car!

 

Your experiences here very much remind me of the love-hate relationship I've always had with my Saab.  Virtually every job I do on the thing winds up taking at least five times longer than they should do and result in me taking the whole car to pieces.


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Posted Today, 08:37 AM

Parts car hasn't even made it to 12,000 miles, compared to 28,000 on the Invacar. I had someone potentially interested in the spares car, but they've decided against it. We'll see what's left once I'm finished...

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Posted Today, 10:04 AM

Dollywobbler! Dollywobbler! Dollywobbler!
I have made a discovery!
There is an invacar in Australia!

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It’s at Charlie’s Auto museum in Arthur’s Seat, Victoria.
I visited there about 2 years ago and was just reminiscing this visit when I remembered seeing an invacar-esque car behind a bond bug, and some internet research has proven it to be true!

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These are photos shamelessly stolen from trip advisor as mine are even worse.
It’s a fantastic museum, by far the best I’ve been to, something for everyone’s taste and Charlie is a lovely bloke.

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Posted Today, 12:17 PM

Brilliant. Have had a chap comment on one of my videos because he owns one in America too. Amazing how they've found their way around the world.
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Posted Today, 02:39 PM

Parts car hasn't even made it to 12,000 miles, compared to 28,000 on the Invacar. I had someone potentially interested in the spares car, but they've decided against it. We'll see what's left once I'm finished...

 

While I very much doubt that I'm even close to the head of the queue, it goes without saying that once you're done raiding it for spares I'll likely have a significant interest in your spares vehicle (along I imagine with both half the forum and half your YouTube audience) given my inbound project.

 

Really interesting to see that one's made it as far afield as Australia - have to wonder what the story behind that is.  Anyone recognise exactly which model variant it is from the photo?  Wheel arch profile is throwing me...


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Posted Today, 04:26 PM

Model 67 I think, which has the model 70 body but no arches, and Villiers engine.

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Posted Today, 04:56 PM

How is that Aussie Invacar on an H prefix?


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Posted Today, 05:18 PM

I thought it looked more like an 8...

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Posted Today, 06:15 PM

Some observations.

1. You should have spent a few hours to degrease/steam clean/jetwash the entire car (inside & out, including boot) before starting the project, to make it nicer & easier to work on (its easy to miss critical things when they're covered in an inch of 40yo oily dirt), after all, it was drenched in the years it was standing & couldn't have done any more damage than was already done. Its not too late to do it now.

2. Some Fiats (I understand it shares its axle with?) have cut-outs on the back of the wheel flange, you rotate the flange & cut-out sections aid shoe/spring removal (not all have this, but certainly worth checking on yours).

3. I use parachute cord with a wooden file handle to pull the shoe springs back (if they are too tight to do with a screwdriver/pliers/crowbar), pushing the spring hook in with either a small flathead, long nosed pliers, & occasionally Chaka Demus & Pliers. A second person pulling the cord helps, but warn them it might jump off so they don't go tumbling backwards if it does.

 

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