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#1831 OFFLINE   Tadhg Tiogar

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Posted 13 February 2018 - 10:38 AM

I remember them pottering around the smaller towns as a child, they all disappeared when all the mk3 Cortinas did.

 

Where I used to live, they were not common. I can only remember one resident having one, and I don't remember seeing it after about the mid-1980s. I never saw another after that.


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Posted 13 February 2018 - 10:40 AM

Yes, it was phased in, from 1977 in fact. Celebrated its anniversary last year. A far better solution in many ways, though I'm sure there were people using Invacars who didn't have a full driving licence. Perhaps that's why the cars lingered on for a remarkable 23 years? By 2002, mobility scooters were viable transport.

 

Here's a clip from the October 1977 Ford Cars brochure. 

Disabled drivers could have a bottom of the range Escort Popular with automatic transmission and remote control door mirror (both not normally an option on the Pop) and extended driver's seat slide.

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It's brilliant to see your Invacar motoring again and all your efforts paying off.

 

I remember visiting my Nan in Southport in the late 80s - early 90s and there were loads of these about, lots of retired people in Southport.


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Posted 13 February 2018 - 02:59 PM

Making it my mission to have a drive every day.

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The original fusebox is knackered. I just can't get a good connection on the fuses. Given there are an entire two fuses, I'm tempted to just fit a couple of in-line blade fuse holders. For now, I just jammed the opposing wires straight into a 25A fuse, and that did the trick.


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Posted 13 February 2018 - 03:09 PM

On a similar thread to my last post, I am always freaked out by how people are totally oblivious to what cars are.

Last week Scarfolk shared a pic with an Invacar and there were comments along the lines of "LOL LOL where's Delboy and Rodney". What the hell?!

On't same subject it erks me when folks say 'Robin Reliant' 

 

Nooooo! its a Reliant Robin actually. 

 

It's not a feckin Mondeo Ford is it?

or a Panda Fiat

or a 306 Peugeot 

 

to name but a few - you get the ideas!


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Posted 13 February 2018 - 03:30 PM

There was one Invacar survivor conspicuously in use in Belfast until 2002 - used to be a regular sight parked outside McDonalds at the junction of Castle Place and Donegall Place. Then it just wasn't there any more. A beige 1977 Volvo 244 with a Blue Badge started parking just round the corner not that long after - I'd like to believe that the Invacar owner treated themselves to a chod-tastic upgrade using their new Motability allowance.


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Posted 13 February 2018 - 03:44 PM

Oh and just to add, folks think on Only Fools and Horses its a Robin Reliant, its actually a Reliant Regal 

 

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Posted 13 February 2018 - 03:50 PM

Forgive me if this has already been answered. But if production ended in what 77 78 and you lose a few every decade due to accidents etc won't you end up with a shortage long before the scheme ended. Did Motability get phased in gradually.

Correct me if I'm wrong but weren't far more Invacars made than ever actually issued to drivers? That meant the government always had a huge stockpile and any that were lost were replaced with another from this stockpile. Even at the end in 2003 there were still hundreds stored in warehouses, some of which had seen hardly any use.


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Posted 13 February 2018 - 03:52 PM

I think that's very likely.


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Posted 13 February 2018 - 04:49 PM

at peak i believe 21000 were on issue in the mid 70s.i have the lists of what was in use and what was in store etc and i think in around 1984 it was something like 5000 on issue,500 in reserve,400 in store,or something like that.Even up till the mid 90s,electric and villiers (pre model 70) vehicles were still in use,policy being that only once the last example of any particular type came back from the user could the spares and spare cars be destroyed.

The peculiar end to the Invacar story was that after years of campaigning to get rid of them by disabled activists,on the assumption that they would get a free Mini or similar instead,when the govmt announced they would instead get £5 a week and no vehicle they suddenly wanted to keep the trike.Originally meant to have been phased out in 5 years,they were issued for life or until the user gave them up/transferred top motability)many didnt want a normal car,or couldnt drive even a converted car,so the last one didnt actually get called in until 2004.


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Posted 13 February 2018 - 05:07 PM

Can't agree with the last bit. They were definitely taken off people from 2002. Chap I got mine from said his friend was an emotional wreck, because he'd had to remove all of those cars from their 'owners' over the course of just one week. As they were not owned by the people who drove them, there was nothing they could say or do to stop them. Which is why mine still has a shopping list in it. No warning given. Very sad.


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Posted 13 February 2018 - 05:10 PM

 

The original fusebox is knackered. I just can't get a good connection on the fuses. Given there are an entire two fuses, I'm tempted to just fit a couple of in-line blade fuse holders. For now, I just jammed the opposing wires straight into a 25A fuse, and that did the trick.

 

I'm just going to fit a modern small fuse box to mine (as mine is similarly knackered).

 

It's not visible unless you peer under the dashboard, and given that blown fuses are one of those things that can just happen with no warning, I'd much rather need to try to track down a modern blade type fuse than an old school Lucas glass one if I'm stranded somewhere halfway to or from a show.  Given you can get blade fuses in virtually any roadside filling station or garage, it just makes sense to me.  Plus I think the smallest one I saw had five circuits, gives you plenty of provision for extra fusing in the future.

 

...Especially important I reckon to have easily replaceable fuses given that a blown fuse can totally immobilise the vehicle.


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Posted 13 February 2018 - 05:13 PM

Can't agree with the last bit. They were definitely taken off people from 2002. Chap I got mine from said his friend was an emotional wreck, because he'd had to remove all of those cars from their 'owners' over the course of just one week. As they were not owned by the people who drove them, there was nothing they could say or do to stop them. Which is why mine still has a shopping list in it. No warning given. Very sad.

i said the LAST one was collected in 2004.in the period up to March 2003 they were meant to have found alternatives or gone onto motability,cant say thats the case for everyone though.



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Posted 13 February 2018 - 05:16 PM

On a similar thread to my last post, I am always freaked out by how people are totally oblivious to what cars are.

Last week Scarfolk shared a pic with an Invacar and there were comments along the lines of "LOL LOL where's Delboy and Rodney". What the hell?!

Anything with three wheels is a Robin Reliant  :mrgreen:



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Posted 13 February 2018 - 05:24 PM

 

 

...Especially important I reckon to have easily replaceable fuses given that a blown fuse can totally immobilise the vehicle.

 

Indeed so! That's why I've been investigating it. On yesterday's test drive, it just cut out and lost all electrics. I could not get the fuse to carry the current, so ended up using a metal file as a makeshift fuse, just so I could get it back indoors (naturally, it started hailing as soon as it cut out). Even after cleaning up the fuse holders, I still can't get a consistent contact, so sod it. Blade fuses it'll be then.


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Posted 13 February 2018 - 05:26 PM

i said the LAST one was collected in 2004.in the period up to March 2003 they were meant to have found alternatives or gone onto motability,cant say thats the case for everyone though.

 

Indeed. Not disputing your dates, just pointing out that 2002/3 seems to be when patience ran out, and the government insisted they were taken off the road. I dread to think what it was like for Invacar users at the time. I would dearly, dearly love to be able to trace the history of mine.


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Posted 13 February 2018 - 05:41 PM

Indeed. Not disputing your dates, just pointing out that 2002/3 seems to be when patience ran out, and the government insisted they were taken off the road. I dread to think what it was like for Invacar users at the time. I would dearly, dearly love to be able to trace the history of mine.


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Posted 13 February 2018 - 05:48 PM

Indeed so! That's why I've been investigating it. On yesterday's test drive, it just cut out and lost all electrics. I could not get the fuse to carry the current, so ended up using a metal file as a makeshift fuse, just so I could get it back indoors (naturally, it started hailing as soon as it cut out). Even after cleaning up the fuse holders, I still can't get a consistent contact, so sod it. Blade fuses it'll be then.

 

Yep...The top fuse holder in mine doesn't work at all (hence all its connections are on one side, completely bypassing the fuse).  The bottom one hasn't caused trouble yet - though that could just be because it's entirely concerned with systems that aren't connected yet due to the loom butchery...

 

This for me comes under the same heading as using metric fasteners to replace things like body retaining bolts...It just makes sense and will make your life so much easier in future that it's worth sacrificing a little originality.  Keep the original one in a carefully labelled box, then if someone in future wants to return it to original it's a trivial job for them to do.


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Posted 13 February 2018 - 06:04 PM

I’m amazed the service still exists to be honest - do it while you can.


I don't think it does as of around September last year. I'd love to have known more about my MGB.
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Posted 13 February 2018 - 06:06 PM

Those Lucas glass fuses are readily available from those orange Autobar boxes. I think I last picked a couple up from The Range. New fuse boxes with 2 positions should be readily available from most classic car part stockists. They're used in loads of British cars of the time.
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Posted 13 February 2018 - 06:09 PM

Is it like this?

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Nothing really wrong with glass fuses. They get a bad reputation mostly because the fuse boxes are pushing 40 years old now and all dirty.

You may be able to restore it by just give all the contacts a good clean with a wire brush on a Dremel.
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Posted 13 February 2018 - 07:24 PM

My mate Stuart who ran the I.c.r should still have all his archive,he can trace every issued vehicles history,or at least he could.
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Posted 13 February 2018 - 07:40 PM

That's the one I think...Didn't realise it was meant to have a lid!

 

First plan for mine is to stick in in the dishwasher, it seems to do a fantastic job of cleaning brass up like new.

 

I've nothing against the fuses to be honest - it's just the fact that it's becoming increasingly difficult to find them in physical stores that puts them out of contention for me.  The only ones I seem to be able to get within 10 miles of here at suppliers I know are boxes of 2x 20A ones...other ratings, nope!  Have to resort to web based suppliers.

 

I know, carry spares and all that - but you could be good money on the one day that you accidentally short something out showing someone something and pop the one that isolates the entire starter and ignition system would be the day that the spares weren't in the car or you've just given them to someone at a show to sort their own car out with...Murphy's Law and all that...


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Posted 13 February 2018 - 07:52 PM

On my MGB, the fuse box lid holds 2 spare fuses. I guess that one is the same?
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Posted 13 February 2018 - 08:18 PM

When you fix the grp on the door it might be a good idea to use a couple of bighead fasteners to spread the load over a bigger area of the grp to stop it cracking again.

 

http://www.veckfasteners.com

 

Scott's composite handbook gives a decent but of info on GRP repair, quite a lot of useless stuff in it as well.

 

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Posted 13 February 2018 - 09:42 PM

Apply to DVLA for V5 history. Enclose £5ish cheque. Worked with one of my previous projects - basically they dig deep into the vaults, and photocopy all the historical V5s they have retained for your vehicle.
I’m amazed the service still exists to be honest - do it while you can.

 

Doubt it'll work. These were never registered to the driver as far as I can work out.


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Posted 13 February 2018 - 09:48 PM

Just a thought, DW. Have you done a compression test on the engine yet?

Mate was by here today and mentioned that the "sneezing" that both of ours is currently doing (which nearly lost me my eyebrows today at one point) is a classic symptom of a slightly leaky inlet valve.

Planning to check that on mine shortly (aka: as soon as the compression tester surfaces), but might just be worth checking. Quite likely that these engines have spent a lot of their lives doing low speed stop-start work and the heads could well benefit from a decoke.

You've got a fancy endoscope camera haven't you? Might be worth seeing if you can see anything meaningful through the plug hole or down the inlet manifold.

If it didn't mean disturbing 43 year old exhaust manifold studs I'd have already had the head off to have a look...
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Posted 13 February 2018 - 09:48 PM

When you fix the grp on the door it might be a good idea to use a couple of bighead fasteners to spread the load over a bigger area of the grp to stop it cracking again.

 

http://www.veckfasteners.com

 

Scott's composite handbook gives a decent but of info on GRP repair, quite a lot of useless stuff in it as well.

 

http://cn.scottbader...book-dec-05.pdf

 

Not sure there'll be room for them. The handle holes go pretty much into a curve. Awful design. Will hopefully get the doors off so I can show this better.


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Posted 13 February 2018 - 09:49 PM

Just a thought, DW. Have you done a compression test on the engine yet?

Mate was by here today and mentioned that the "sneezing" that both of ours is currently doing (which nearly lost me my eyebrows today at one point) is a classic symptom of a slightly leaky inlet valve.

Planning to check that on mine shortly (aka: as soon as the compression tester surfaces), but might just be worth checking. Quite likely that these engines have spent a lot of their lives doing low speed stop-start work and the heads could well benefit from a decoke.

You've got a fancy endoscope camera haven't you? Might be worth seeing if you can see anything meaningful through the plug hole or down the inlet manifold.

If it didn't mean disturbing 43 year old exhaust manifold studs I'd have already had the head off to have a look...

 

No, haven't done a compression test. It drives. If it can cruise at 50, I'll be happy. I'm still blaming the carburettor, as that's easier.


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Posted 13 February 2018 - 10:12 PM

Likewise!

My personal suspicion is that these will both run a million times better once they've spent an hour or so actually under load.

My carb is probably coming to bits for a clean tomorrow.

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Posted 13 February 2018 - 10:16 PM

Let me know how you get on. Interested to know how stripped they can become.

 

As for electrics, like you, I just want easy-to-get fuses and more reliable connections. Sod originality on out-of-sight stuff.


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