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MK1 MX5: WBOB. Crashed it.


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#31 OFFLINE   PiperCub

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Posted 11 October 2017 - 12:38 PM

Wow, that list screams:

 

1) I've just qualified for my testers ticket.

2) I've been busted by VI/VOSA (whatever they call themselves these days) for sloppy work and have to prove myself. 

3) I'm young and used to testing cars less than six years old at my main dealer job.

 

Delete as appropriate. 

 

BTW - worth buying if very cheap but compare prices with better examples locally to not pay too much. 


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Posted 11 October 2017 - 12:53 PM

My experience with MX5s is that they're pretty honest with rust and don't hide things that are terminal bad. There are quite a few places around now that will fix the rot properly for not too ridiculous a price. Poking your head around those bits with a bright torch and a poking stick will quickly tell you how bad it is. Of course this all depends on price and the actual condition (i.e. if the tester was overzealous or not). If sub £500 and a ticket, just go for it. If >£1k maybe not.
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Posted 11 October 2017 - 02:04 PM

Mk1s and 2s go rust but you can get literally everything for them. Mk3s go rusty too but it’s all the chassis fixings and things like suspension arms are ££££ and Mazda only.

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Posted 11 October 2017 - 02:55 PM

Be aware that some very early Mk2's ('97-98) can look fine on top but be appalling underneath. No-one seems to know why this is. Later ones tend to be fine. 



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Posted 11 October 2017 - 03:56 PM

Be aware that some very early Mk2's ('97-98) can look fine on top but be appalling underneath. No-one seems to know why this is. Later ones tend to be fine. 

 

Thought it was the other way round? The later cars with the double skinned chassis rails rot out whereas the early ones are single skin and are fine.


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Posted 11 October 2017 - 04:38 PM

I'd say all mk2 and mk2.5 rot like mad, least everyone I've seen has. Least you can easily see the rot on mk1's..

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Posted 11 October 2017 - 05:05 PM

Thought it was the other way round? The later cars with the double skinned chassis rails rot out whereas the early ones are single skin and are fine.

 

Well don't know about now as they are all over ten years old, the oldest being 19 or 20 so they are sort of entitled to rot but this was certainly true of early ones for some reason whereas Mk1's that were only a few years or so older seemed a lot better. I've seen a number of really awful Mk2 S & T-reg'd undersides with good uppers, as others have said, Mk1's tend to hide their rot less despite them being not that much different from each other. 

 

At the end of the day, it pays to always look underneath the car! (OK, preaching to the converted here). 



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Posted 11 October 2017 - 09:33 PM

Mine is an import though (and so was my first one) and they do tend to be in better nick, plus this one was very thoroughly rust proofed when it was imported - even inside panels and so underneath is mint (not an effin' Polo either!) and so are the subframes. However, it has had a new drivers side wheel arch (no idea why, not rusty) and the very bottom of this new panel is rusty as fook! The cill itself is fine and well proofed.

 

The MK3 I had was as rotten as a 4 month old pear everywhere underneath and there was not a trace of any rust proofing having ever been appied. I was appalled which is why I flogged it sharpish!



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Posted 11 October 2017 - 10:28 PM

Throw the rusty bits away, keep the fun bits and make them more fun.

 

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That one is from an American company and is called the Exomotive Exocet but I'm sure something similar can be sourced in Europe. Not the cheapest or a particularly practical way of doing things but it'd be a good use of one that is too far gone (especially if you turbo it  :-D).



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Posted 11 October 2017 - 10:45 PM

Jack, I have plenty of rust removal tools and tons of Kurust. Get it, bring it over and we can have a bloody good look. Trolley jack and axle stands available.



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Posted 12 October 2017 - 08:14 AM

Mine is an import though (and so was my first one) and they do tend to be in better nick, plus this one was very thoroughly rust proofed when it was imported - even inside panels and so underneath is mint (not an effin' Polo either!) and so are the subframes. However, it has had a new drivers side wheel arch (no idea why, not rusty) and the very bottom of this new panel is rusty as fook! The cill itself is fine and well proofed.

 

The MK3 I had was as rotten as a 4 month old pear everywhere underneath and there was not a trace of any rust proofing having ever been appied. I was appalled which is why I flogged it sharpish!

 

Agreed, my first '5 was a '94 Eunos and despite having paintwork from hell (red - lacquer issues, need I say more), and having lead quite a hard life, it was in great condition underneath with only a little minor surface rust on the suspension etc. The only rust on the upper was (predictably) in the rear of the sills which when I stripped it back to weld it up, was not anywhere near as bad as I've encountered in the past with old British stuff. 

 

My current 1990 (keeper) '5 still has what looked like primer in the sills visible before I soaked it in Dinitrol! 



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Posted 12 October 2017 - 09:24 AM

Imports were always much cleaner underneath, even after they’ve been here for years. The worst were always mk1 pogweasel’d uk cars; they were always fucked.

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Posted 12 October 2017 - 11:10 AM

^^ That's generally my experience too. (With the honourable exception of my Ex-Channel Island example). The couple of greys I've had have been great underneath. 

 

Ironic then that back in the day, those 'Awful grey-imports' were slagged off for - amongst other equally invalid/BS reasons - having little rustproofing etc!


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Posted 12 October 2017 - 01:46 PM

Throw the rusty bits away, keep the fun bits and make them more fun.
 
http://www.rightfootdown.com/wp-content/...
 
That one is from an American company and is called the Exomotive Exocet but I'm sure something similar can be sourced in Europe. Not the cheapest or a particularly practical way of doing things but it'd be a good use of one that is too far gone (especially if you turbo it  :-D).


That's actually a uk design http://www.mevltd.co...cars/mev-exocet which the us licensee has improved. A a summer toy I think it would be amazing.

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Posted 12 October 2017 - 03:34 PM

That's actually a uk design http://www.mevltd.co...cars/mev-exocet which the us licensee has improved. A a summer toy I think it would be amazing.

 

Oh interesting. They say that if you sell off unused parts you can get the price down to about £2,200. Not a cheap way to fix a borderline terminal MX5 but an ace weekend/track car for possibly under £3k is damn good value when you look at it that way (if you ignore the fact that MX5 are already decent at those anyway...).



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Posted 12 October 2017 - 08:28 PM

I reckon it is quite a cool idea really.   The owner is a bit of a wide boy and has terrible taste in colours for his demo cars but as it keeps the MX-5 running gear and suspension geometry in a lighter package I think the design is sound overall.   Much better than most kit cars and also cheaper.


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Posted 12 October 2017 - 08:40 PM

Oh interesting. They say that if you sell off unused parts you can get the price down to about £2,200. Not a cheap way to fix a borderline terminal MX5 but an ace weekend/track car for possibly under £3k is damn good value when you look at it that way (if you ignore the fact that MX5 are already decent at those anyway...).

 

Looks good, sounds good, price is good, but.

I have built a few* Kit Cars.

The extra bits add up to quite a lot.

The screen for example is around £500........yes you don't need one, might as well have a bike then.

Would say £5,000 might get you somewhere near and its still a bargain at that.

I may look into it further.



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Posted 12 October 2017 - 08:54 PM

I've got a tatty Mk1 and costed up turning it into a Exocet, was around £5K to do a reasonable job (shocks/springs/lights/seats all add up).


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Posted 12 October 2017 - 09:01 PM

And when you take into consideration that the Caterham 160 starts at £17,495 and that's the cheapest car they do a decently appointed Exocet for £5k plus the price of a rotten MX5? Can't argue with that really.

 

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Posted 13 October 2017 - 08:12 AM

And when you take into consideration that the Caterham 160 starts at £17,495 and that's the cheapest car they do a decently appointed Exocet for £5k plus the price of a rotten MX5? Can't argue with that really.

 

http://cdn2.autoexpress.co.uk/sites/auto...

 

But when you come to sell, the Caterham will still be worth £17,000.

 

Well that's what they will ask for it!



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Posted 13 October 2017 - 11:01 AM

Thanks for the tips everyone. I'm won't get a chance to look at it until next weekend, until which time I'll absorb myself in mX5 buyers guides..

I should really be fixing my Daf and X1/9 instead, but the idea of using this as a WBoD in the meantime appeals muchly.

If it ain't too bad and the price is low, it'll be the most modern car I've ever owned..
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Posted 18 October 2017 - 08:58 PM

The results are in.. 

 

The cills are rusty behind some previous plates. It's had a recent cam belt, it's got 100,000 miles, good tyres, standard recent dampers, general wear and tear, but is generally honest and straight. Oh and it's an "merlot" special edition which means a Purple with grey leather- a bit lurid but befitting of the 90's. 

 

£700 has been mentioned.. 

 

YAY OR NAY? 


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Posted 18 October 2017 - 09:02 PM

Yay! MX5s are for winners :)


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Posted 18 October 2017 - 09:03 PM

£700 sounds like "MOT but tatty runner" to me. Isn't this more parked up and unused for several years? Given rear calipers seize for fun even when the cars are in use, there could be expenditure ahead.


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Posted 18 October 2017 - 09:04 PM

I wouldn't be that desperate at that money if its gone crusty. 

They drive nice

Does it smell? The smell of mine was the worst bit. Like a bad tent. 

 

EDIT: It's all worth it for the gearchange really, it genuinely is the best of anything ever.


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Posted 18 October 2017 - 09:04 PM

£700 sounds like "MOT but tatty runner" to me. Isn't this more parked up and unused for several years? Given rear calipers seize for fun even when the cars are in use, there could be expenditure ahead.

Wrong MX5 thread! I hear you though. It's definitely one step above tatty.. 


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Posted 18 October 2017 - 09:09 PM

I wouldn't be that desperate at that money if its gone crusty. 

They drive nice

Does it smell? The smell of mine was the worst bit. Like a bad tent. 

 

EDIT: It's all worth it for the gearchange really, it genuinely is the best of anything ever.

 

 

I need to have a proper drive of it, but on a wee scoot around the car park I couldn't believe how short the lever and throw is. I kept on thinking it couldn't possibly be in gear when it totally was..


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Posted 18 October 2017 - 09:11 PM

Wrong MX5 thread! I hear you though. It's definitely one step above tatty.. 

 

Ah yes! Too many threads at the moment. Problem is, getting sills sorted out properly, which is really what you want, can be pretty expensive. As in £400-500 per side before paint.


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Posted 18 October 2017 - 09:13 PM

A tad on the pricey side imo. Depends on how much crust. Non-crusty ones aren't too much more.

 

The fact its been plated over means its been rotten for a while. I'd probably nay on it. For me, it'd have to be £500 absolute tops.


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Posted 18 October 2017 - 09:37 PM

Yep, waaaay too pricey at 700 squids. 400 to 500 absolute maximum. Lots out there at 700 quid.


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