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The Rover 400 WBOD No brakes but we have doors


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#61 OFFLINE   Rusty Sills

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Posted 19 October 2017 - 04:51 PM

I think this one is going to be a money pit as after cleaning the caliper up and putting it back together I noticed that the pedal sometimes drops to the floor when braking so the system isn't holding pressure and the only thing I've touched is the caliper and pads on the OSR.

Would it be possible that I could of damaged the master cylinder as when I first started trying to free it up and wind it back in I forgot to take the lid off the master cylinder.

To be honest I should of done what junkman suggested and binned the lot I guess but at the time I thought it would be a good idea to try and save a bit so I guess it's going to have to go to the garage before I start using it.

Anyone know of a good place online for a new caliper.


Possible you may have flipped the master cyl seals. If you have one, clamp the flex to that caliper and see if you get the pedal back.

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Posted 19 October 2017 - 04:56 PM

Very unlikely unless it's a 90's Vauxhall

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Posted 19 October 2017 - 07:30 PM

The master cylinder reservoir has a breather hole so no harm can have come just from winding back the piston and pushing some fluid back to the reservoir. Is it using fluid? If so is it leaking from the caliper you just had the fight with?
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Posted 19 October 2017 - 07:38 PM

You must just have not bled it properly
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Posted 19 October 2017 - 09:20 PM

I did bodge it I as got the piston out the caliper and cleaned it up the best I could using a lot of brute force and ignorance as it was seized and I sprayed loads of freeze spray around the piston and filled the bore of the caliper with the stuff to get it to move.

It moves freely now but I I wasn't able to bleed it as the bleed nipple was seized solid but I will try again tomorrow but i think rimmer brothers do a NOS caliper for a reasonable cost so when the wheel is off I will see if I can get a part number if it comes to the worst.

I can't see any leaks though so I guess that's a good sign.

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Posted 19 October 2017 - 09:32 PM

Do these use the same Lucas calipers as the equivalent civic?
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Posted 19 October 2017 - 09:47 PM

Yes it's a Lucas one the same as a civic I'm going to get the part number tomorrow once I've I get the wheel off, I guess I should of taken the part number off the caliper before putting the wheel back on lol.

The rear disc on mine is 239mm but I think there's two different types on the 400 as some of the later 400/45 have a 260mm disc.

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Posted 20 October 2017 - 05:35 AM

New caliper - job done . Using spray lube will fuck the seals anyway . Only ever use silicone or rubber grease
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Posted 20 October 2017 - 07:04 AM

New caliper - job done . Using spray lube will fuck the seals anyway . Only ever use silicone or rubber grease

Are all red greases the same?
I have loads of red chainsaw clutch bearing grease and have used it on caliper sliders with no ill effects.

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Posted 20 October 2017 - 07:11 AM

If you haven’t bled it and the cylinders been out there will be loads of air in the system now. I’d probably suggest if you haven’t got one using some sort of pressure bleeder when you fit the new caliper.
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Posted 20 October 2017 - 08:41 AM

Red grease needs to be silicone based not mineral . There are plenty of red mineral greases . It slowly swells the seals
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Posted 20 October 2017 - 11:59 AM

The handbrake is working and releasing ok and stops the car without binding and the brakes seem to work just the pedal needs pumping and drops to the floor but it’s leak free.

But I know my luck and a will end up breaking the top off a bleed nipple and I really don’t like the idea of working off the rover scissor jack so I think I will take it down the my local friendly garage and let them repair it.

The only problem is I feel a bit bad giving someone else a problem I’ve created with my bodging and obviously being a WBOD I didn’t want to spend money on the old girl.

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Posted 20 October 2017 - 12:40 PM

I’d save the cost of paying the garage on a £23 jack from Toolstation, then £10 on a vacuum bleeder. Changing a caliper is piss easy, slacken the union, crack caliper bolts off then spin the caliper off, swat a new one one, bleed it, have it done in 30-40 mins.

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Posted 20 October 2017 - 01:09 PM



Are all red greases the same?

 

No.

 

Look up the MSDS for these two for instance. Completely different.

 

Silkolene Pro RG2: http://www.fuchsnet..../232401_PID.pdf

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Fuchs Renolite Red Rubber Grease: http://www.workshopw.../1097/vc188.pdf

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Posted 20 October 2017 - 01:17 PM

Red grease needs to be silicone based not mineral . There are plenty of red mineral greases . It slowly swells the seals

 

Does it? That RRG above is veggie oil based. 



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Posted Yesterday, 12:15 PM

Today I've popped over to Brighton and got the pair of passenger side doors which are in near new condition so some time during the week I will pop those on.image.jpeg image.jpeg

The guy should of been on here really and I wish I got a picture of his mint F reg freight rover which was running on a set of rostyles.

He was telling me the doors were off his 400 and when it was time for it to go to the bridge he decided to put the T series into his Sherpa which he said made it quite a lively performer and he had the van for 20 years and You could really see it was his pride and joy.

So the jobs this week are to pop the doors on and I will have another go at cracking the bleed nipple open.
I've just disconnected the wiring looms from my doors and it looks like quite straightforward job but I will wait till I've got someone to give me a hand to lift them in position while I bolt them up.




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