captain_70s Posted December 19, 2017 Share Posted December 19, 2017 Don't think so, they type/method remains the same, just altered locations? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DodgeRover Posted December 19, 2017 Share Posted December 19, 2017 But I suspect that; "Axles and running gear – alteration of the type and or method of suspension or steering constitutes a substantial change;" would include dropped spindles?Not in my interpretation - no changes to type or method of suspension or steering. All those remain the same just the geometry has changed?A lot of people with IFS converted mk1/2 transits will be cursing though! Also the paragraph regarding what is ok includes modifications commonly done when the vehicles were in production or within 10 years of the end of production so V8 conversions of land rovers, ford pops etc are still ok, my Perkins powered 2 door Rangie is still a VHI but definitely won't be gracing anywhere on the road without a weld fest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SiC Posted December 19, 2017 Share Posted December 19, 2017 A lot of people with IFS converted mk1/2 transits will be cursing though!Might be arguable as ok on the safety and efficiency grounds though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junkman Posted December 19, 2017 Share Posted December 19, 2017 Modified chod requiring an MoT shocker. Jayzuz shat. richardthestag 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squire_Dawson Posted December 19, 2017 Share Posted December 19, 2017 I would like to think that our esteemed government consulted numerous people with a working knowledge of old cars who actually knew what they were talking about, when drafting this ruling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mercrocker Posted December 19, 2017 Share Posted December 19, 2017 I think the FBHVC had a good deal of input. mrbenn 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heidel_Kakao Posted December 19, 2017 Share Posted December 19, 2017 Errrrmmmm Cedric is like not exactly as he left the factory, should I be worried? Only glass, some sheet metal, a bit of the interior and the cam cover are original... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DodgeRover Posted December 19, 2017 Share Posted December 19, 2017 Yes then, have a read of the advisory PDF notice Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junkman Posted December 19, 2017 Share Posted December 19, 2017 I would like to think that our esteemed government consulted numerous people with a working knowledge of old cars who actually knew what they were talking about, when drafting this ruling. There is an entire generation out there now that can't even imagine the mere thought of a government consulting the good people.It's so highly unusual, that bewilderment is commonplace when it happens. nigel bickle, Talbot and chodweaver 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seth Posted December 19, 2017 Share Posted December 19, 2017 Looks prety good to me. A definition of historic vehicles that takes into account historically appropriate/period correct changes and alterations. DodgeRover 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dollywobbler Posted December 19, 2017 Share Posted December 19, 2017 Errrrmmmm Cedric is like not exactly as he left the factory, should I be worried? Only glass, some sheet metal, a bit of the interior and the cam cover are original... No, because if you don't think it's factory, you don't claim it's original and just get an MOT every year. Or, even if it is original, you're still entitled to get an MOT every year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackboilersuit Posted December 19, 2017 Share Posted December 19, 2017 Lots of common sense in the rules. I particularly like the fact you can change axles and running gear if it improves safety or environmental impact. So disc brake conversions, wheels to fit modern rubber and axles with a higher ratio diff ratio are all allowable. Particularly sensible is allowing modification if OEM parts are made of unobtanium.Rushes off to stick 20th of May in the diary........ mrbenn 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SiC Posted December 19, 2017 Share Posted December 19, 2017 I do wonder if the people who came up with the rules were either classic car fans or leaned on by high up/friends to make it lenient. Or they didn't want the extra paperwork clogging up an already constipated system. Irritatingly my MGB is a month away from its MOT expiry and the MOST exemption. Not that it matters as I was going to take it to a MOT anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richardthestag Posted December 19, 2017 Share Posted December 19, 2017 WALOOB, I still plan to pop my cars through annual test regardless. Land Rover Series IIa owners on coils might well be worried a moggie owner sporting disc brakes and a 1275 motor can sleep easy mrbenn and stephen01 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlabamaShrimp Posted December 19, 2017 Share Posted December 19, 2017 Bugger I've 6 years to wait still that might give me time to get it out of the garage. Twiggy, chodweaver and DeeJay 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HillmanImp Posted December 20, 2017 Share Posted December 20, 2017 I would like to think that our esteemed government consulted numerous people with a working knowledge of old cars who actually knew what they were talking about, when drafting this ruling.Yeah, apparently the money I'm saving on doing MOTs will result in the government spending an extra £350m a week on the NHS. Vin, Talbot, Sigmund Fraud and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrbenn Posted December 20, 2017 Share Posted December 20, 2017 a moggie owner sporting disc brakes and a 1275 motor can sleep easy Which describes my car to a T. Excellent. ETA: I think I'm still going to have mine tested... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flat4alfa Posted December 20, 2017 Share Posted December 20, 2017 I still plan to pop my cars through annual test regardless. Many won't be Because every potential buyer will be looking up its history on the public database for something to argue over before even coming to see the car. It's quite likely perception will be that getting an MOT when it doesn't need one and getting a list of advisories will have an adverse affect Me? I'll be taking it along to get up on a ramp annually and pay the garage time rather than have the result put through onto the DVLA computer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SiC Posted December 20, 2017 Share Posted December 20, 2017 Many won't be Because every potential buyer will be looking up its history on the public database for something to argue over before even coming to see the car. It's quite likely perception will be that getting an MOT when it doesn't need one and getting a list of advisories will have an adverse affect Me? I'll be taking it along to get up on a ramp annually and pay the garage time rather than have the result put through onto the DVLA computerFor me, any MOT is a big plus point. For all the tests flaws, at least it gives a rough, uniform (supposed to be anyway) level at which the vehicle is at. With no MOT, I would questioning in my mind why a seller is selling it and not had it done. BeEP 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lisbon_road Posted December 20, 2017 Share Posted December 20, 2017 I'm with flat4alfa. Bung the garage £20 to test the subtle stuff, like rear brakes. But not the handbrake; my tester knows it is rubbish and so do I. The way that this will discourage some of the radical mods to older motors does quite appeal. I think it is fine if people want to do modifications but I see so many older cars like mine lowered with different engines and I don't think they last long like that. Just my view, others will differ. I'm not so concerned about it really. dave j 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timolloyd Posted December 20, 2017 Share Posted December 20, 2017 My 2p: cars 40 plus years old are a tiny, tiny percentage of the Government and Police worries about unroadworthy cars. I feel certain they see 10x as many examples of new-ish cars running bald tyres and no brakes because they're white goods to owners. Rolling exemption is a relatively safe, light-touch way to hit targets for de-regulation to appease voters who drive. egg 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I_am_Diesel Posted December 20, 2017 Share Posted December 20, 2017 I won't be putting my Lambretta on the road until after the exemption begins. If it was a car I probably would have it tested for peace of mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
egg Posted December 20, 2017 Share Posted December 20, 2017 My 2p: cars 40 plus years old are a tiny, tiny percentage of the Government and Police worries about unroadworthy cars. I feel certain they see 10x as many examples of new-ish cars running bald tyres and no brakes because they're white goods to owners. Rolling exemption is a relatively safe, light-touch way to hit targets for de-regulation to appease voters who drive. Agree. Numbers: Currently, only cars from before 1960 are exempt, which represents 197,000 cars on UK roads. The new rules will exempt a further 293,000 cars from MOTs. Source: https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/new-cars/mot-exemption-cars-over-40-years-old-arrives-may-2018 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sierraman Posted December 21, 2017 Share Posted December 21, 2017 Can't see it being long until someone pulls a 'barn find' out, pumps the tyres up then off down the road and the brakes fail or whatever. I know theres the arguent that you maintain your car to a certain level, but there's a fair few out there who are either clueless about stuff like this and rely on dodgy stuff being brought to their attention or are clueless in the sense that they severely over egg their own ability. I've known loads of the years who proper wing it with stuff like reusing split pins or countless other bodges because they haven't the ability to do it properly. What has been the point of MOT exemption anyway, its an income for the garage industry and part suppliers etc. I'd very much doubt the government thought 'Lets give these folks a break from having to have MOT's'. strangeangel 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junkman Posted December 21, 2017 Share Posted December 21, 2017 Yawn... Sigmund Fraud, Eddie Honda and Clanger 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlabamaShrimp Posted December 21, 2017 Share Posted December 21, 2017 Sorry but when it's time my mk1 Fiesta is going nowhere near the testing station. It'll have the welding it needs and the tyres but really I don't need someone telling me how old it is and all the usual crap but the main thing is it'll save me some money and I'm all for that as I've never got enough... Tam 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strangeangel Posted December 22, 2017 Share Posted December 22, 2017 It'll have the welding it needs and the tyres but really I don't need someone telling me how old it is and all the usual crap but the main thing is it'll save me some money and I'm all for that as I've never got enough... And this, Ladies and Gentlemen, neatly illustrates why the rolling exemption is a shit idea. Nicola H, Lacquer Peel, D Spares & Tyres and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strangeangel Posted December 22, 2017 Share Posted December 22, 2017 What has been the point of MOT exemption anyway The point will eventually be restricted access to the road for exempt/historic vehicles. Motoring legislation doesn't happen for our benefit; the real motivation for this will become apparent in the not-too-distant future, I'm sure. forddeliveryboy, barefoot and Nicola H 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SiC Posted December 22, 2017 Share Posted December 22, 2017 And this, Ladies and Gentlemen, neatly illustrates why the rolling exemption is a shit idea.Maybe we should get rid of tax exemption too? Junkman 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strangeangel Posted December 22, 2017 Share Posted December 22, 2017 Maybe we should get rid of tax exemption too? Depends - are there any safety implications involved in something getting historic taxation class? In the same way as, y'know, getting rid of its annual safety inspection for ever? Captain Furious 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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