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#61 ONLINE   SiC

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Posted 14 September 2017 - 09:04 PM

One interesting fact in that document is that very few accidents are caused by mechanical failure - 3% apparently. I have also read this as a reason to why a lot of US states don't bother with inspections - only emissions checks. Contrary to what seems common sense, it does seem that most accidents are caused by other factors - often the person in charge or weather conditions.

I wonder if it will also mean more classic cars survive? As no longer will be the case that if it fails on something even if minor, it ends up sat in a garage/barn/drive waiting to get fixed but never does. Also could mean cars get used a bit more and so less likely to have troubles.

It will make it a bit harder finding good cars though. But then likewise, it could mean sellers more likely to have to allow detailed inspection on the ramp. Also MOTs could be done anyway to help aid the sale.
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Posted 14 September 2017 - 09:04 PM

I'm not convinced that this is the best idea in the world as people can and do silly things. Some peoples DIY repairs may be somewhat suspect and the MOT was possibly the safety net for that.

What would have been wrong in making it every 2 years? That way you give owners a bit of a break but the system still sort of works.

Not saying the MOT is the be all and end all in vehicle safety, but it must catch some real whoppers.
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Posted 14 September 2017 - 09:06 PM

One interesting fact in that document is that very few accidents are caused by mechanical failure - 3% apparently. I have also read this as a reason to why a lot of US states don't bother with inspections - only emissions checks. Contrary to what seems common sense, it does seem that most accidents are caused by other factors - often the person in charge or weather conditions.

 

I'm not surprised tbh. The average standard of driving on the roads I see is all the proof I need that the state of the car is the the last thing to cause accidents.


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Posted 14 September 2017 - 09:10 PM

Appease classic car owners by loosening the law on MOT, tax and then kick them in the balls by introducing more restrictions on when and where those cars can be used in the name of being green or safety.


Yes, it's the perfect excuse to start placing restrictions on old cars. Enjoy while we can.

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Posted 14 September 2017 - 09:13 PM

Luckily a lot of our classics are British made. They don't need restrictions put on them as the cars quite happily restrict themselves... Frequently :mrgreen:
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Posted 14 September 2017 - 09:16 PM

Yes, it's the perfect excuse to start placing restrictions on old cars. Enjoy while we can.

 

So start enjoying, ffs! While you can, if you must.

 

I'm sitting here browsing eBay like never before, grinning from ear to ear.


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Posted 14 September 2017 - 09:39 PM

Been there, done that got the T-shirt. It's what we did in the olden days.


Yeah but they were only 20yrs old then....
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Posted 14 September 2017 - 09:41 PM

Yes, it's the perfect excuse to start placing restrictions on old cars. Enjoy while we can.

 

If you check the substantially altered section

https://www.gov.uk/g...ge-guidance.pdf

you will see they are proposing a 15% power to weight increase limit on cars modified after 1998 more than that and it seems you might not get free tax either if I am reading the DVLA speak correctly, this will also apply to pre 60 cars so that 1959 morris minor with a 1275 engine will need both mot and tax after May 20th 2018 even though it doesn't need it at the moment.


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Posted 14 September 2017 - 09:47 PM

Yeah but they were only 20yrs old then....

 

The polis didn't have ANPR handy either. ;)



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Posted 14 September 2017 - 09:49 PM


What would have been wrong in making it every 2 years? 

 

Would require primary legislation change - they couldn't be arsed.



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Posted 14 September 2017 - 10:03 PM

Give with one hand & take with the other.

Some bod with no mechanical know how will decide that your 2.0 1100 escort is now worse than an rs2000 you've doubled the power.
So your fined for no tax,mot or insurance.
But your rs 2000 with a zetec scrapes in by 2 bhp so is ok.

Your 1100 aggro with twin carbs & lcb is now to powerful but the 1750 in your 1500 is ok.

This will end in tears no such thing as a free lunch esp were polotics is involved.
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to much power is just enough & theres more to life than mpg.


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Posted 14 September 2017 - 10:09 PM

What's the situation with transferring number plates then? Will the vee-hicle still require mot and tax, or can plates be yanked off any rusty old scrap?
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Posted 14 September 2017 - 10:15 PM

Give with one hand & take with the other.

Some bod with no mechanical know how will decide that your 2.0 1100 escort is now worse than an rs2000 you've doubled the power.
So your fined for no tax,mot or insurance.
But your rs 2000 with a zetec scrapes in by 2 bhp so is ok.

Your 1100 aggro with twin carbs & lcb is now to powerful but the 1750 in your 1500 is pm.

Who is going to ruin their Scrote's SCENETAXYO! value by fitting a non-original engine? More realistically are the DVSA/VOSA/whatever they're called this week really going to splash out on weigh bridges and rolling roads to measure the bee aich pee of your old chodmobile and calculate a power to weight ratio at the roadside? More likely it will be used as an additional stick to club miscreants who are caught doing other naughty stuff by dibble, or perhaps as a revenue tool the men from the ministry in the fluorescent coats will swoop on events like the FOD and ask to see under your bonnet.


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Posted 14 September 2017 - 10:18 PM

Im currently on the recieving end of an excellent deal with a local scrappy who fill my tank for 30 quid. Soon I wont need tax or Mot either. Motoring has never been so cheap!

Im genuinely thinking of getting rid of the ZT and just running a couple of 70s motors. a nice cortina 2000E and a Rover P6 and Id be one happy boy. All these savings buy a lot of welding.
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Posted 14 September 2017 - 10:24 PM

The 604 is very difficult to get through emissions, even after a total carb rebuild, so this is interesting.



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Posted 14 September 2017 - 10:27 PM

Hopefully it also means an end to the most overused and inappropriate phrase about vehicles online.

 

'Barn find'.

Because there'll be no reason why anything should have stayed in a barn.


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Posted 14 September 2017 - 10:37 PM

So, say as a safety precaution, you took your vehicle in for an MOT test and it failed, but on something that you deemed not to matter, presumably you could still drive it on the road, but should you be stopped would they have proof that it was unroadworthy? Indeed would a fail come up on an ANPR or whatnot? It would be a damn shame if that discouraged people from getting a self imposed test. 

 

Cars still have to be roadworthy when,er, on the road, and if they (or a DVSA inspector/bay) deemed it unroadworthy during a stop check, you'd be in the pooh. 


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Posted 14 September 2017 - 10:39 PM

Wouldn't put it past them to spend a fortune to get a few quid.
Plus your forgetting one important aspect to all this polotics so logic etc goes out the window.

to much power is just enough & theres more to life than mpg.


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Posted 14 September 2017 - 11:20 PM

Interesting, I've a couple of old snotters that have been waiting a long time for me to carry out some welding to MOT standard. Think I'll be fishing some soup tins from the recycling bin and digging out the pop riveter.

I certainly won't miss ruining feeler gauges to pack out kingpin bushes nor that pedantic requirement for the brake linings to contact at the first pedal stroke.


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Posted 14 September 2017 - 11:36 PM

That's the spirit!


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Posted 15 September 2017 - 12:17 AM

I am against it in the sense that it will be abused no doubt but for those of us responsible enough it will mean our car will no longer fail on the most utterly ridiculous stuff :(

I don't own an MOT exempt monster but may do soon?

I am one of those that will be responsible enough not to drive it if its dangerous and to get what it needs if its not safe,but how many will take the Piss once its underway?


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Posted 15 September 2017 - 12:26 AM

how many will take the Piss once its underway?

 

This is doing me a concern. It hasn't happened with pre-1960 cars but there are far fewer of those cars anyway (and they're a lot slower to start with). 
You can do some proper damage with a 1978 car. 


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Posted 15 September 2017 - 12:38 AM

This is doing me a concern. It hasn't happened with pre-1960 cars but there are far fewer of those cars anyway (and they're a lot slower to start with). 
You can do some proper damage with a 1978 car.


Yes, the thought of an XJ-S pulled out of someone's front garden after failing an MOT in 1996 because the back axle was about to drop out and all the brake pipes needed replacing, having its tyres pumped up a quick wash and the lights checked. Before being quite legally* driven at high speeds to a classic car show, is a bit of a worry.
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Posted 15 September 2017 - 07:31 AM

Looks like the Renault 6 is going to be back out and about next summer then. :)

 

Not the Volvo yet though - driving a car with no brakes would be taking the piss a bit.  Especially a car which will drive through most moderns and out the other side without even noticing.

 

This has proper cheered me up.


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Posted 15 September 2017 - 07:33 AM



You can do some proper damage with a 1978  ANY car. 

 

 

FTFY.

 

I have a couple of 1978 cars that haven't been the near a MOT station for some time*. (The only damage these cars are doing at the moment is to my ears from Mrs H complaining)

 

(*since they left the UK - because anything pre-1980 is exempt from NCT in Ireland - I don't need to produce it every year, but in practice (depending on company) when taking a new policy I do need to either get an "engineer's report" or send it down to the clowns for a NCT to keep the insurer happy. And remember if it's legal at home, it's legal when on tour.)



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Posted 15 September 2017 - 07:41 AM

and one step closer to controlling the use of old vehicles.


Yes, it's the perfect excuse to start placing restrictions on old cars. Enjoy while we can.


Meh. That's something that's been trotted out since Ken Clarke introduced VED exemption back in the day (1994?). I'm still waiting.

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Posted 15 September 2017 - 07:48 AM

Result, i'm off to collect that £1200 mini i was offered  :mrgreen:  :mrgreen:


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Posted 15 September 2017 - 07:53 AM

You can do some proper damage with a 1978 car industry. 

 

 

ftfy


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Posted 15 September 2017 - 09:39 AM

Hopefully this will also apply to cars I import, i.e. that I can register them without having to MoT them first.


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Posted 15 September 2017 - 09:46 AM

Hopefully this will also apply to cars I import, i.e. that I can register them without having to MoT them first.


Yeah I was wondering about that. I guess all this stuff will be clarified before it comes into effect.
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