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#361 OFFLINE   Partridge

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Posted 09 May 2018 - 05:03 AM

Because the cynical side of me suspects this is a preamble to restricted use if enough accidents are publicised. 

"Oh, well, your car doesn't need an MoT, so why would you need to drive it at night? You're only taking it to a show......"

I really hope that isn't the case. In twenty years time I really don't want to be forced out of dailying '90s stuff.


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#362 OFFLINE   Exiled_Tat_Gatherer

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Posted 09 May 2018 - 08:17 AM

This takes various forms in many places - my understanding is it’s been rolled back again in France to be less restrictive again. IIRC Belgium and Australia are pretty restrictive


Actually - over here in Belgosproutville it's also been relaxed. Used to be the O old timer plate was show travel only...... now, although test is still as it was, i.e. Not much in all honesty, you're ok any time. Only not to/from work..... anything else you're golden.

But being UK, wouldn't surprise me if they're planning implementing what others are already retracting..... stranger things have happened.

Wjat I'm interested to see is if it has an effect on the available V5s for old tat. Land Rover scene type affair going multi marque?
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#363 OFFLINE   Rusty Sills

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Posted 09 May 2018 - 10:11 AM

Exhibit one.
Vehicle which has failed and below we can see why.


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Exhibit two.
It's passed.


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I bought this after the owner had trouble shutting the doors and as you can see it's legal to be insured and taxed just not road legal.
I might add the it's never had a welder to it in the two days between fail and passing.


So was the second test done by his mate and with £50 stuffed in the glovebox or something?

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Posted 09 May 2018 - 11:41 AM

So was the second test done by his mate and with £50 stuffed in the glovebox or something?


I recon the second one was done while the owner was bent over the bonnet with no knickers on.

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Posted 09 May 2018 - 09:52 PM

I be leave another u turn as happened first it was major fail meens you can only remove on a truck /trailer, now it's the kit cars will have to have an up-to-date emissions engine.

But don't worry there's roughly a fortnight before the new well thought out laws-rules become enforceable.
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Posted 09 May 2018 - 10:15 PM

Kits and imports aren't going to be emissions tested to modern standards now. 

Garages are also not allowed to detain/impound vehicles if a tested vehicle gets a major or a dangerous. 

Shit- sorry, you just said that. 


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Posted 10 May 2018 - 05:56 AM

The garage has no authority at all to detain the car, id just take it away. Nothing they could do about it.
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Posted 10 May 2018 - 02:46 PM

So my MGBs MOT ran out last month. It is currently in the Historic tax class.

My plan on the 20th May 2018 is to:
  • First thing in the morning visit https://www.gov.uk/historic-vehicles to see if they've updated the guidance - which I expect them to on that day.
  • If its still unclear on what to do, I'll visit https://www.gov.uk/vehicle-tax and see if I can "re-tax" my vehicle. Even though its currently set as taxed, I seem to remember that I managed to do this before. I might plug my details in again tonight and see what options it gives.
  • Once sorted that its MOT exempt, I'll phone up the local garage to book it in for an MOT anyway...

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Posted 10 May 2018 - 02:50 PM

The garage has no authority at all to detain the car, id just take it away. Nothing they could do about it.

This.

 

The worst they could do is grass you up to the rozzers but how many garages are going to be arsed doing that. Essentially the new fail states will just be used to scare people into thinking the car they've been driving with that fault for ages is suddenly 100% lethal so they shouldn't drive it again and have it fixed there asap for all the monies...


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#370 OFFLINE   sierraman

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Posted 10 May 2018 - 02:55 PM

Doubt very much the police would be interested.

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Posted 15 May 2018 - 09:52 PM

5 more nights to go!

I wonder how busy the breakdown service providers will be on Sunday.
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Posted 16 May 2018 - 07:24 AM

Not sure Sunday is going to be much to write home about tbh - one would have to tax the car using a V112 at a post office before one could legally drive it, and there aren't many post offices open on Sundays.  I certainly won't be roaring around in the Renault 6 this weekend.



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Posted 16 May 2018 - 07:31 AM

I might have a go Sunday, taxing something that hasn't moved in many years - just to see if I can! Should be fun!
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Posted 16 May 2018 - 11:36 AM

If you do then I'd be interested in the results......

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Posted 16 May 2018 - 12:14 PM

Here is a little thought. So it seems like we'll need to fill in V112 and take it to a post office to become MOT exempt on cars already on Historic tax class. This is because the MOT exemption is a separate thing to the tax class. Partly because you need to declare its MOT exempt due to be both on age and not meeting the substantially modified clauses.

However what about those vehicles already MOT exempt (i.e. pre 1960)? As it will be now declared, will those now not be MOT exempt until the owner totters down to their local Post Office and fill a V112 in?
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Posted 16 May 2018 - 12:20 PM

I think you get to tick a box at tax renewal time. Will find out soon enough as my camper is taxed to the end of mine and my mot is not until July.

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Posted 16 May 2018 - 12:50 PM

I just had a look at the V112 form and it hasn't been changed yet and still gives pre 1960 as a reason for exemption and not the 40 year rule. I will be testing the registering an import that is mot exempt in a week or so. I know I used to be able to register pre 60 cars without a test so will have to see if it works with the Renault 7


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Posted 16 May 2018 - 04:00 PM

They're apparently going to make the new form live on the 20th.
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1974 MGB GT - A stereotypical classic car.
2007 Honda Civic EX CTDi - The reliable runner that is like the family pet.
2010 Aldi A4 - Owned to placate the wife on my crap buying


My history: 2003 Clio II 1.2 16v (First car), 2003 Honda Civic 3dr 1.7 CTDi (Isuzu lump), 1992 Mazda MX5 1.6, 2005 Mazda RX8 192bhp, 2005 Saab 9-3 1.9TiD 150bhp, 2007 Honda Civic 2.2 CTDi, 2004 Renault Scenic 1.6 Auto (Now Kiltox FiL), 2004 Saab 9-5 2.3t (Now Hooli), 2004 Smart Roadster 80bhp
Wife history (that she used/owned but I had frequent use of): 2002 Renault Clio II 1.2 16v (Billabong!), 2006 Mazda MX5 1.8, 2004 VW Golf 1.6 FSI, 2005 Renault Scenic II 2.0 (went bad from the drive back when buying it!), 2002 Vauxhall Astra 1.6 16v (now phil_lihp ex-colleague), 2005 Renault Laguna II v6 (Now angle)

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Posted 16 May 2018 - 04:17 PM

I might have a go Sunday, taxing something that hasn't moved in many years - just to see if I can! Should be fun!


Going back to my question a few pages back, I assume it has to be insured, aye?

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Posted 16 May 2018 - 04:31 PM

Going back to my question a few pages back, I assume it has to be insured, aye?

 

Yes, as I think I replied at the time. It does NOT need to be insured to tax it (delays in insurance companies updating the MID stopped the checks) but under continuous insurance rules, if it is taxed it MUST be insured or they will fine you.


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Posted 16 May 2018 - 04:56 PM

Yes, as I think I replied at the time. It does NOT need to be insured to tax it (delays in insurance companies updating the MID stopped the checks) but under continuous insurance rules, if it is taxed it MUST be insured or they will fine you.

I want to register the Lambretta as MOT exempt (to be ready, on the off-chance I decide to sell it), but don’t want to pay for insurance on something I won’t use for the foreseeable.
So basically, I could tax it online, then take a V112 to the PO next Monday and get it registered as MOT exempt?
I’d SORN it straight after, so I don’t get the bollocking you mention...

Edit: Just tried taxing it, and it states ‘The Welsh aren’t interested in your veehicle right now coz it’s not MOTd mate’...

I wonder if that’ll change as of next week?
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Posted 16 May 2018 - 07:04 PM

Does anyone have a logbook for a 504?

I want to ring my 405.


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Posted 19 May 2018 - 11:17 PM

Quarter past midnight on 20th May 2018. V112 form and MOT exemption guidance not updated on the DVLA website. :(

Maybe it was just all a bit hoax by the DVLA! :mrgreen:
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1974 MGB GT - A stereotypical classic car.
2007 Honda Civic EX CTDi - The reliable runner that is like the family pet.
2010 Aldi A4 - Owned to placate the wife on my crap buying


My history: 2003 Clio II 1.2 16v (First car), 2003 Honda Civic 3dr 1.7 CTDi (Isuzu lump), 1992 Mazda MX5 1.6, 2005 Mazda RX8 192bhp, 2005 Saab 9-3 1.9TiD 150bhp, 2007 Honda Civic 2.2 CTDi, 2004 Renault Scenic 1.6 Auto (Now Kiltox FiL), 2004 Saab 9-5 2.3t (Now Hooli), 2004 Smart Roadster 80bhp
Wife history (that she used/owned but I had frequent use of): 2002 Renault Clio II 1.2 16v (Billabong!), 2006 Mazda MX5 1.8, 2004 VW Golf 1.6 FSI, 2005 Renault Scenic II 2.0 (went bad from the drive back when buying it!), 2002 Vauxhall Astra 1.6 16v (now phil_lihp ex-colleague), 2005 Renault Laguna II v6 (Now angle)

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Posted 20 May 2018 - 06:14 AM

Quarter past midnight on 20th May 2018. V112 form and MOT exemption guidance not updated on the DVLA website. :(

Maybe it was just all a bit hoax by the DVLA! :mrgreen:



I did read somewhere that the online declaration wouldn't be available until late June/July and all vehicles that were already MOT exempt would have to declare VHI anyway as they may not fit the new criteria. I think the V112 will be replaced by a new section on the tax application form if I have managed to read, and understand, the information correctly.

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Posted 20 May 2018 - 07:04 AM

I was being a div, the V112 was updated on the 18th May. I just kept opening my cached copy when my phone was asking!?

This has been updated now: https://www.gov.uk/historic-vehicles

Still not 100% clear to me what I need to do next for my MGB. I thought I'd need to go to the post office and fill in the V112, however that site reads like I don't need to do anything yet. Only when I renew my tax exemption do I need to declare there is no substantial changes.
Current Fleet:
1974 MGB GT - A stereotypical classic car.
2007 Honda Civic EX CTDi - The reliable runner that is like the family pet.
2010 Aldi A4 - Owned to placate the wife on my crap buying


My history: 2003 Clio II 1.2 16v (First car), 2003 Honda Civic 3dr 1.7 CTDi (Isuzu lump), 1992 Mazda MX5 1.6, 2005 Mazda RX8 192bhp, 2005 Saab 9-3 1.9TiD 150bhp, 2007 Honda Civic 2.2 CTDi, 2004 Renault Scenic 1.6 Auto (Now Kiltox FiL), 2004 Saab 9-5 2.3t (Now Hooli), 2004 Smart Roadster 80bhp
Wife history (that she used/owned but I had frequent use of): 2002 Renault Clio II 1.2 16v (Billabong!), 2006 Mazda MX5 1.8, 2004 VW Golf 1.6 FSI, 2005 Renault Scenic II 2.0 (went bad from the drive back when buying it!), 2002 Vauxhall Astra 1.6 16v (now phil_lihp ex-colleague), 2005 Renault Laguna II v6 (Now angle)

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Posted 20 May 2018 - 07:09 AM

One other point I've just realised is that none of this applies to NI. They have no 40yr rolling MOT exemption.
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1974 MGB GT - A stereotypical classic car.
2007 Honda Civic EX CTDi - The reliable runner that is like the family pet.
2010 Aldi A4 - Owned to placate the wife on my crap buying


My history: 2003 Clio II 1.2 16v (First car), 2003 Honda Civic 3dr 1.7 CTDi (Isuzu lump), 1992 Mazda MX5 1.6, 2005 Mazda RX8 192bhp, 2005 Saab 9-3 1.9TiD 150bhp, 2007 Honda Civic 2.2 CTDi, 2004 Renault Scenic 1.6 Auto (Now Kiltox FiL), 2004 Saab 9-5 2.3t (Now Hooli), 2004 Smart Roadster 80bhp
Wife history (that she used/owned but I had frequent use of): 2002 Renault Clio II 1.2 16v (Billabong!), 2006 Mazda MX5 1.8, 2004 VW Golf 1.6 FSI, 2005 Renault Scenic II 2.0 (went bad from the drive back when buying it!), 2002 Vauxhall Astra 1.6 16v (now phil_lihp ex-colleague), 2005 Renault Laguna II v6 (Now angle)

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Posted 20 May 2018 - 07:39 AM

Well, as at 8.30 Sunday morning, they' ve amended half the system.

IAs I said, I tried to tax a car that hasn't moved in 15 years online, as an exercise.
Yesterday I was refused - no Mot.

Today I was asked to confirm its exempt, which I did, so it then moved onto the Direct Debit - wanting to charge me £13.56 per month.

I consider setting it up, then cancelling the DD before collection - but that just feels a massive pain, so I cancelled.

I'll go into the PO later, but the system has def changed. They just don't seem to have linked sll the dots...

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Posted 20 May 2018 - 07:41 AM

Does anyone have a logbook for a 504?
I want to ring my 405.


Have you lost it? I just tried ringing it from my phone but its switched off.
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Posted 20 May 2018 - 07:45 AM

Actually - nut Shell!

Let's cause some mayhem...

I've taxed it - first time [email protected], without it turning a wheel.

I set up the Direct Debit, let's see if they try to claim it.



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Posted 20 May 2018 - 07:47 AM

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Result. Just off out for a spin in it.
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