MrDuke Posted September 13, 2017 Share Posted September 13, 2017 So, after spending a very active 70+ years trying to avoid back problems, Mutha_Duke has finally been overtaken by them (two herniated discs and a spinal nerve cyst... so far...) and is really struggling with her mobility. Their current ride is an A-class which they've had for years, despite it being a horrible money pit, and even though it's fairly tall she struggles to get in and out - I'm also pretty sure that the harsh ride and hard seats are causing further discomfort although she won't admit it. For some reason they don't qualify for a mobility car, and are on a very low income, so are fairly limited in options. I'm thinking that a older Berlingo/Kangoo/Doblo/etc/etc might be the answer, but have absolutely no knowledge of them at all. Are there any variants that should be avoided like the plague? Are any of them markedly better than the others? Are they reasonably OK to drive and comfy to be in? Their only requirements are an autobox, power steering, and enough luggage space for a (folded) wheelchair without losing any seats. Their budget is very low, although there's some value in the A-class I guess. Any advice? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Asimo Posted September 13, 2017 Share Posted September 13, 2017 I have some ancient friends who between the pair of them have 5 artificial leg joints and they swear by their 02 Kangoo auto. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cavcraft Posted September 13, 2017 Share Posted September 13, 2017 omegod, puddlethumper, cros and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SherpaMog Posted September 13, 2017 Share Posted September 13, 2017 I had a good six years out of a high mile berlingo van, can't see the cars being much different. This was a 2002 flat diesel. Great on fuel, and French, not rusty. Boring and slow, but reliable. Yet another staff crash killed it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chaseracer Posted September 13, 2017 Share Posted September 13, 2017 Mercedes Vito? Well... close, anyway. Rusty_Rocket 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mally Posted September 13, 2017 Share Posted September 13, 2017 We have same problems, Renault Scenic, C4 Piccasso are good, but we had them from new.Berlingo, Kangoo, Doblo should also be fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrDuke Posted September 13, 2017 Author Share Posted September 13, 2017 Cheers for the suggestions chaps. They'd probably want to steer clear of Scenics as they had grief with one in the past, and the thought of used Picassos fills me with dread.... Berlingo looks promising though, I'm assuming they're XUD or HDi? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Old Bloke Next Door Posted September 13, 2017 Share Posted September 13, 2017 Some years ago I suffered with severe groin strain, getting into, out of, and using the clutch in my Land Rover 109 and Rover Metro was a painful experience. Fortunately I also owned a Volvo 940 Auto Estate, which was both easy to access and exit. Very comfortable ride and large carrying capacity, only downside was fuel consumption of about 23 mpg local. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0ldCh0d Posted September 13, 2017 Share Posted September 13, 2017 Astra Estate?.... I am only suggesting this because of my Astra Van. Cavcraft and Rusty_Rocket 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chaseracer Posted September 13, 2017 Share Posted September 13, 2017 No slushbox option on old-shape Blingo, but current shape is 08-on and could be had with the EGS automated manual. Talbot 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave_Q Posted September 13, 2017 Share Posted September 13, 2017 Early Berlingos are n/a XUD, or 1.4 or 1.8 pez, possibly with a 1.6pez? Slightly later ones are available with 1.9DW8 or 2.0HDi diesels. Can't say I've ever seen an auto. They are GR12, all diesels are pretty tough and I imagine the petrols too. They don't seem to rust and the only thing to really watch out for on a cheap one is the rear axle, lots of camber, or one wheel worse than the other means the axle needs replacing which is about £5-600 if you're paying someone to do it. I must also add that they're not that high up, from the b-pillar forward they're a slightly widened 306, so if the seat needs to be high it may not be the best choice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fabergé Greggs Posted September 13, 2017 Share Posted September 13, 2017 I often think about these but I'd defo want a slush box for maximum adventure relaxation. Of the older ones, is it only the kangoo that came as an auto? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrDuke Posted September 13, 2017 Author Share Posted September 13, 2017 Damn - I did notice the few autos on eBay were new-shape and wondered whether it was ever a thing on the old ones, so that's off the list. It's not so much the height of the seat (although that is a consideration), it's the height of the roof and A-pillar so she doesn't have to bend/twist too much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghosty Posted September 13, 2017 Share Posted September 13, 2017 Metro Chairman. Eddie Honda, catsinthewelder, MrDuke and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrDuke Posted September 13, 2017 Author Share Posted September 13, 2017 I would love to rock up in a Chairman and film the expressions on their faces as I hand over the keys. Stroller133, purplebargeken and Stanky 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrDuke Posted September 13, 2017 Author Share Posted September 13, 2017 I'm now going off on a slightly stupid tangent, but.... are there any Jap offerings that spring to mind? Like the plethora of miniature day-vans they did through the 90s and 00s, but it would ideally need to be a UKDM model with non-wallet-rapey spares. Although I'm guessing most of them were sub-30mpg so maybe not ideal? Mazda Bongos seem to come up occasionally - anyone had any experience of them? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnthonyG Posted September 13, 2017 Share Posted September 13, 2017 I don't think you could get the Doblo as an automatic, although the first generation models were popular for wheelchair conversion by firms like Brotherwood so maybe I'm wrong. You can't go wrong with the 1.9 JTD versions for all round capability otherwise. Edit: wiki sez NO AUTO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghosty Posted September 13, 2017 Share Posted September 13, 2017 I'm now going off on a slightly stupid tangent, but.... are there any Jap offerings that spring to mind? Like the plethora of miniature day-vans they did through the 90s and 00s, but it would ideally need to be a UKDM model with non-wallet-rapey spares. Although I'm guessing most of them were sub-30mpg so maybe not ideal? Mazda Bongos seem to come up occasionally - anyone had any experience of them? Bongo/Ford Freda is overkill, they're Previa sized eight seater day vans really. Oh, and they're £2-4000. And not UKDM. You might however like the Yaris Verso. egg and Stanky 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doobietoo Posted September 13, 2017 Share Posted September 13, 2017 PT Cruiser... MIL is 85 and loves it, says its the easiest car she knows for getting in and out of and her mobility scooter fits in the boot. Autos available in 2.0 and 2.4 petrol but not in dieasel... £500 - £1000 will get you a good one. £1500 a perfect low mileage example. purplebargeken 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UltraWomble Posted September 13, 2017 Share Posted September 13, 2017 Diesel you say?Automatic you say?Step this way and let me show you the EV2... DW10 HDi engine - main issue with these is the cam belt snapping at anything from 40 to 50K miles due to rainwater running off the screen and into the cam belt cover. Post 2007 cars should have the rainwater mod that does away with that risk.Whilst they look big they are only slightly larger than the new Berlingo M-Space in terms of footprint. My missus has more issues with her back ( Scoliosis, alk-spondylosis and strojens) than you can shake a shitty stick at, but even she emerged without any bad pain after a recent 400 mile trip. It is like a lounge with a turbo charged engine. Totally flat floor inside makes life easy too. purplebargeken 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zelandeth Posted September 13, 2017 Share Posted September 13, 2017 My late father has masses of problems with his back and hips, had two Ford Fusions as Motability cars and never had issues getting in or out of them. Really practical things as well. Never had a spot of bother with either, though they were a bit thirsty with the 1.6 petrol. Obviously these were only on 3-year contracts so can't speak for longer term reliability etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
puddlethumper Posted September 13, 2017 Share Posted September 13, 2017 What they need is a certain ease of entry, so the level of the seat compared to ground level is of major importance. As someone who is of a certain age, as they like to say, I am looking to the future of my, erm, driving experience by lifting my car derived van by 2 inches to allow the perfect height for bum slidage.Many have said, well at least 3, ooh! you want to lower that. To which I say, no no, There will be no slidage in my advanced years.Mind you I don't reckon they would go for a 305. The lift cost on mine is not quite defined yet but I'm looking at £400.Must be able to do that with any thing for not a lot. Then you widen the choice of chod for the less agile among us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UltraWomble Posted September 13, 2017 Share Posted September 13, 2017 MrDuke and Carlosfandango 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wuvvum Posted September 13, 2017 Share Posted September 13, 2017 djimbob and egg 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben_O Posted September 13, 2017 Share Posted September 13, 2017 If you are after something higher up, I wouldn't have thought a Berlingo or a Kangoo would be any good. I have had both as work vans and every single elderly customer I have collected or dropped back in both vans struggle like hell getting in and out of them. Just sayin like Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnthonyG Posted September 13, 2017 Share Posted September 13, 2017 What about a first generation C-max? It's a Focus so good to drive, should be plenty of choice. Get a pez one to avoid any TDCi related problems. Only downside will be relatively high road tax on a 1.8 or 2.0 auto. Twiggy and purplebargeken 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rave Posted September 13, 2017 Share Posted September 13, 2017 What about a first generation C-max? It's a Focus so good to drive, should be plenty of choice. Get a pez one to avoid any TDCi related problems. Only downside will be relatively high road tax on a 1.8 or 2.0 auto. My brother has a 2.0 pez auto. It shat its gearbox at about 60,000 miles (or something like that, it wasn't high mileage at all). Apparently it's a known fault with the (Mazda) box. Cost him over a grand to fit a new one with an updated part which apparently cures the problem. Other than that it's nice, so if you could find one that's already had an upgraded box you'd be good I suppose! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mk2_craig Posted September 13, 2017 Share Posted September 13, 2017 2005-ish Suzuki Ignis? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimbo Posted September 14, 2017 Share Posted September 14, 2017 Vw Toran with the 1.9PD lump nice high doors and not French. purplebargeken 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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