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Zel's Motoring Adventures...Lada, Citroen, Saab, Sinclair, Invacar Brake Work Begins...


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#181 ONLINE   dollywobbler

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Posted 12 February 2018 - 07:43 PM

Yes. Lashings of the stuff. Anything that could move seems to have got no shortage of attention. Then even more attention when it was back in for a service six months later.


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Posted 13 February 2018 - 02:12 PM

Quick lunchtime update.

One brake has been reassembled and confirmed to have a moving piston. One down, two to go.

Wasn't that bad really, fiddly as heck, yes.

Order I did it was:

Attach black spring to the right hand shoe.

Put right shoe in place, threading the black spring under the hub past the adjuster.

Attach right shoe to backplate using the pingfuckit clip.

Thread the spring through the hole in the left pad (fiddly) then wrestle the shoe into place.

With your three spare hands, install the pingfuckit to ensure the shoe stays put.

Then install the red spring, which is made FAR easier if you have a sturdy pair of long nosed pliers.

Getting the black spring onto the second shoe is by FAR the hardest bit. It's easy off the car, but as Dollywobbler has discovered, you can't do that as the spring won't fit through the gap between the hub and adjuster, so the second shoe HAS to be attached with the spring already tethered to the opposing shoe on the car.

Let's see if the other two put up more of a fight...
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Posted 13 February 2018 - 05:42 PM

Well, a little from column A, a little from column B this afternoon.

 

My local motor factor surprised me by quickly being able to cross-reference the spark plugs and will have a fresh set waiting for me tomorrow morning.

 

This afternoon I cracked on with the brakes.

 

Building up the front is actually easier than the rears because you can *just* fit the ruddy awkward black spring between the adjuster and the hub with a suitable persuasion implement (my one of choice being a large, heavily abused orange handled screwdriver) to poke it.

 

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No - I've not cleaned up the backplates, greased the sliding surfaces etc.  I'm fully expecting to have to replace the wheel cylinders so will have everything apart again anyway.  I'm just giving the existing hardware the chance to prove itself good first - though not expecting to be that lucky!

 

I didn't get much further than this however as no matter how many times I've dug through the boxes and bags of bits, I can only find two and a half sets of brake bits.  I'm short the black shoe spring and both of the shoe retaining clip, spring, pin assemblies.  Got the shoes and the red spring...but missing the rest.  This is highly annoying.

 

Anyhow, I clamped off that flexi hose, figuring I'd see if the other two would work at least.  I got the rear nearside bled through and working fine, however as soon as I closed its bleed screw and tried to do the front the sound of a rupturing pipe ended play.  The metal line to the nearside rear wheel has blown just before the joint to the flexi hose.  Balls.

 

Well...guess it's time to figure out where the heck I put that reel of brake pipe and the flaring kit then...

 

Evening Edit:

 

Just been out to remove the fuse box for cleaning - that'll be a fail then.  The screw holding it to the bulkhead has an utterly and completely rounded off head.  I'll figure out where it's attached to and if the other side of it is accessible will cut that off.  Otherwise it'll stay where it is and a replacement will be mounted nearby.


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Posted 13 February 2018 - 10:22 PM

Just been out to remove the fuse box for cleaning - that'll be a fail then.  The screw holding it to the bulkhead has an utterly and completely rounded off head.  I'll figure out where it's attached to and if the other side of it is accessible will cut that off.  Otherwise it'll stay where it is and a replacement will be mounted nearby.

 

I can confirm that this is a sod. As ever, no bloody captive nuts, so I had to rope in Mrs DW just to hold a ruddy ratchet. At least you haven't got front bodywork, so access is good!

 

There are two 8mm headed nuts on the outside of the bulkhead. One holds a wire clip in place. 


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Posted 14 February 2018 - 01:39 PM

That would be the nut which immediately turned itself into a piece of metal doing a good impression of a washer the moment I went near it with a spanner then.

 

Where's the angle grinder...


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Posted 15 February 2018 - 05:53 PM

So...today I mostly...

 

[] Wired in the new fuse box.  I had a four position blade type box laying around from some historic project so just roped that in.  It will be bolted to the bulkhead in due course, but is currently just dangling from the wires under the dash...Didn't have the drill with me to drill holes for it, and was feeling far too lazy to walk back inside to get it.

 

[] Continued reassembling my mutilated excuse for a wiring loom.

 

Firstly was roping in a few cable ties to convince the wiring to the starter solenoid that rubbing against the offside rear tyre was a bad idea.  Obviously this will be less of an issue once I actually have rear wheel tubs...I really am going to need to start thinking about bodywork soon.

 

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Likewise some of the dangling spaghetti in this corner has now been attached to other bits of previously dangling spaghetti...

 

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I've said it before, but I'll say it again: No, those screw terminals are NOT a permanent fix.  Given the state of the loom though and the fact that several bits do not match the colour key in the wiring diagrams, the ability to quickly connect/disconnect things is essential at this stage.  Everything will be done with proper waterproof crimp connectors in due course.

 

[] Actually checked how much air was in the tyres.  Rears weren't far off, but it's rather easier to push now there's the required 17psi in the front tyre rather than 3.  Speaking of which...anyone able to translate this into modern tyre measurements?

 

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[] Noticed something potentially in need of remedial work with regards to my transmission...

 

It appears that what I assume is a cooling fan on the back of one of the pulleys has come apart in places.  It's a light pressing by the looks of it, and it's not stood the test of time.  I'm sure the lack of wheel tubs leading to this area seeing more of the elements than the designer intended hasn't helped.

 

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Anyone who knows these things better than I do have any idea whether this is actually likely to be a problem in the real world, or whether I shouldn't bother worrying about it?

 

[] Gave it a good run up to temperature (having a slightly sticky twist grip is handy for this as I can effectively just use it like a hand throttle in a tractor - dial in the engine speed I'm looking for then leave it, and then did another oil & filter change as there are a couple of hours on the first lot of oil now.  While nowhere near as bad as what was originally in there, it did come out pretty black.

 

[] I'd intended to look at moving the indicator etc assembly over to the handlebar assembly in the car, however have been foiled by yet another screw with a totally knackered head.  Oh...and found that's just been chopped off the loom too.  Yay, more wires!

 

Will have another look at that tomorrow and decide whether it will be easier to actually just swap the handlebar assemblies over entirely than trying to get the indicator assembly off the spare one...


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Posted 15 February 2018 - 06:44 PM

Interesting. Why is the voltage regulator on that side? On both mine, it's right next to the battery, which seems more sensible.

 

Hadn't realised there was a cooling fan built into that pulley. Something else for me to check...


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Posted 15 February 2018 - 06:58 PM

IF my memory serves me correctly, the correct size replacement for a 5.20x10 crossply (for that is wot you got :-) ) is a radial 145x10 although a 155x10 would also be fine.



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Posted 15 February 2018 - 07:28 PM

Zel, nothing useful to add, but I am enjoying these detailed updates #topcontent.


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Posted 15 February 2018 - 07:45 PM

Interesting. Why is the voltage regulator on that side? On both mine, it's right next to the battery, which seems more sensible.

 

Hadn't realised there was a cooling fan built into that pulley. Something else for me to check...

 

No idea...Looks original though judging from the fastenings...Possible AC/Invacar difference?

 

Also, I thought the battery lived down by the driver's right foot in the cabin...There's the remains of a clamp in that corner and it's where the (original looking) earth strap goes in mine!  No sign of anything substantial electrical on the nearside of my engine bay...

 

Seriously starting to think the assembly line engineers did this sort of thing just to confuse us 40 years down the line!


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Posted 15 February 2018 - 08:02 PM

Nope. Both mine have the battery and voltage reg on the nearside in the engine bay. Handbrake and choke controls aside, there really isn't a vast different between the two.


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Posted 15 February 2018 - 10:38 PM

IF my memory serves me correctly, the correct size replacement for a 5.20x10 crossply (for that is wot you got :-) ) is a radial 145x10 although a 155x10 would also be fine.


Cheers for that. Hadn't even spotted it was a cross-ply until you mentioned it. Gets points for longevity that one... it's a bit perished, but hasn't shown any signs of failure like most of the others.

What profile should that be? Sadly most websites insist on a value there. Standard profile is 80 if I remember rightly isn't it? So it should be 145x80 R10?

Had this game with the Skoda when I got it...it was wearing tyres simply labelled 155SR13...rather confused the 17 year old at the till in our local tyre fitter.

Cost a fortune as well, ended up having to get them shipped in from Germany apparently!

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Posted 15 February 2018 - 10:43 PM

Looks like it.

https://www.vintaget...dth=90&search=1


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Posted 15 February 2018 - 10:46 PM

Never mind...broken website, Mytyres lets me search for 145R10 quite happily.

Vintage tyres are listing a Camac tyre which I'm pretty sure is what's on the back at present...

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Posted 15 February 2018 - 11:05 PM

Yes, these are what were known as "full profile" which is an 80% aspect ratio, so an 80 in the centre (145-80x10) is what you need to look for



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Posted 16 February 2018 - 05:42 PM

Only had an hour today so there wasn't time for anything too in depth.

 

Firstly I wanted to investigate the battery location.  It being on the nearside ahead of the coil definitely seems to make sense based on the length of the positive lead from the starter solenoid, which indeed seems to fit perfectly.

 

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This I am guessing is the mark that has been left by the battery bracket that at some point lived here.

 

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However this is the only thing relating to battery retaining that I appear to have.

 

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Any chance you could snap me a photo of the battery tray in one of yours, DW so I know what I'm looking for?

 

 

I then had a shot at starting to get the rigid brake lines off - before immediately running into trouble as they're of course an imperial size that I don't have.  That can wait till next week.

 

 

In the spirit of getting at least something done every day however, I went about reattaching this - after I spent about half an hour wrestling the front of it off the spare dashboard...

 

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Needless detail at this point, but the hole in the dash was making my teeth itch.

 

Some further standing on my head (note to self, if you take it off again, reattach the pipes to the pump BEFORE attaching it to the dash) had it doing this as designed.

 

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Small details, but in the grand scheme of things - it needs to work when I get to the MOT station!

 

...Granted, so does the wiper itself, and about 50 other things that currently don't...

 

At least I don't have an empty space on the dashboard any more though.


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Posted 16 February 2018 - 07:23 PM

Away this weekend. Remind me to snap a battery tray pic next week.

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Posted 17 February 2018 - 07:08 PM

Couple of things done today.

 

Firstly, got the drill out and drilled the stripped out head of the screw holding the indicator stalk onto the spare handlebars.

 

This then allowed me to get probably my most heavily abused tool out to unscrew the remains of it.

 

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This thing is going to need some remedial work before I can fit it as a couple of wires have snapped off - I have a sneaking suspicion this is going to be a pain to sort.  Anyone know what this stalk assembly is shared with?  If so tracking down another good used one *may* be an easier option.

 

Next up I moved on to the brakes.  Wanted to get all of the rigid lines off so that I could remake them.  I was expecting this to be an absolute swine of a job based on my prior experience on other cars - however every single fastening came undone without protest beyond them just being tight (which you'd expect!). 

 

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The only ones I've not taken off are the one from the master cylinder to the first union and the two from the rear flexis to the wheel cylinders as they look absolutely fine.  The one to the front flexi would have also been fine if some idiot (that would be me...) hadn't nicked it with the grinder when cutting the knackered bolts off the old master cylinder.

 

The general quality of the fixtures and fittings on this car are so much better than I'm used to...I'd expected this to be a task involving no end of fasteners that would turn circular the moment you applied any force to them, but they all just came undone as they should. 


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Posted 17 February 2018 - 08:44 PM

 
This then allowed me to get probably my most heavily abused tool out


If I got mine out it would result in a site ban...

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Posted 19 February 2018 - 11:34 PM

Made a run back over to the seller of the AC today.  Main thing I was there for was the door window glass.  We couldn't find a safe way to transport them along with the car when we brought it over. 

 

Also picked up the missing brake springs and clips so I've got all the bits to reassemble the remaining drum.

 

Now have a fuel tank as well.  It's not actually the correct one, but we should be able to make it work until an actual Invacar/AC one turns up.  Better than a can with hose stuffed in it anyway!

 

Final items were a number plate light and the AC badge for the bonnet - once I have one anyway.

 

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Will be playing taxi all day tomorrow so probably won't have a chance to do anything on the car.


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Posted 20 February 2018 - 07:47 PM

possibly a olli one

 

 

Couple of things done today.

 

Firstly, got the drill out and drilled the stripped out head of the screw holding the indicator stalk onto the spare handlebars.

 

This then allowed me to get probably my most heavily abused tool out to unscrew the remains of it.

 

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This thing is going to need some remedial work before I can fit it as a couple of wires have snapped off - I have a sneaking suspicion this is going to be a pain to sort.  Anyone know what this stalk assembly is shared with?  If so tracking down another good used one *may* be an easier option.

 

 

prolly a olli one

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Posted 20 February 2018 - 09:12 PM

Just a couple of things done today.

Firstly hit things with a hammer! Have successfully managed to free off the handbrake mechanism, so happy about that as it's one less thing I need to totally take to bits.

Also cleaned up the indicator stalk and reattached the wires to it. So hopefully should be able to reunite it with the loom tomorrow.

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Thanks for the tip on which stalk it is - definitely looks like that one, and 119 SA is one of the numbers stamped on it.

The fuel tank I've got is full of sludgy gunk, so sure that will be "fun" to clean I'm sure.

Noticed something today which definitely has pushed me a little more towards preferring to find a donor for the rear body moulding if I can. The offside of the moulding around the trailing edge of the door looks to be paper thin in places due to I assume a manufacturing defect. There are quite a few pin holes as a result.

Not too hard to shore up with some additional resin and matting, but it's just one more thing that needs sorting on the body...and given the degree of reconstructive surgery already needed, really looks like sorting a scruffy but at least *mostly* complete body section would be the most sensible approach. So...um...if anyone knows of a potential source of such a thing, I'm all ears. I'll be lucky if I find one I reckon.

At the same time, I'm not looking to make a concourse car and don't mind doing repairs. I also don't care about and of the trim bits, glass or roof as I've got all that lot...don't know if that might help or not.
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Posted 20 February 2018 - 10:43 PM

Some rubber arches from a LWB transit or a pair of forest arches from an escort would look right at home on there!

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Posted Yesterday, 08:17 PM

Okay, first task for today was to reassemble the one remaining wheel as I now had the full compliment of clips etc.

Jack it up, wheel off, drum off...

 

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...This one hasn't been dismantled.

Cue much swearing as I'd been sitting around waiting for a week to get bits that it turned out I didn't need. Have also confirmed that the handbrake is working on this one too. It will happily hold the car sufficiently well that I can't push it, the cable is still binding quite a bit though - will give it a thorough greasing as soon as my grease gun appears (there's a grease nipple on the cable at the mid-point).

Fine...Stuffed that wheel back on (with a full compliment of four wheel nuts rather than the two it came with) and turned my attention to the rest of the brakes. I knew I had quite a few bits of NOS braking kit floating around, so decided to do a bit of a stock take.

First up was a new full front-rear section, still in its massive cardboard sleeve. That was immediately dug out and I set about installing it. I was definitely right to do this before putting the floor in, as threading it through the cutouts in the chassis would have been quite fiddly from underneath.

I needed a bit more height to get at the union between the two sections at the front (which is helpfully under the bit where the floor and body overlap, so there's no access from above!)...however was able to do something you just can't do with normal cars.

 

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Now this doesn't look too unusual...what's unusual is that I was able to simply pick up the front wheel by hand and plonk it down on that wheel rim. I should have used a couple really, but one actually gave me ample space to work. Rear wheels were of course chocked so it couldn't fall off.

You can't really see much difference here - but there's now a nice new brake hydraulic line running from the front distribution T right back to the identical one which splits the feed to the rear wheels just ahead of the rear axle.

 

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Even successfully managed to get it back into all the original clips. I'll probably cut a bit of rubber pipe and put it in where the pipe goes past the upright and vanishes under the body - I don't like the idea of the pipe rubbing on that unfinished metal edge.

I've also swapped out the front flexi for a NOS one. The rubber on the one that was there actually looked fine externally (no visible perishing, and it was definitely still flexible, not having turned to plastic like a lot do), but the ferrules were quite badly rusted. The new one aside from being a bit dusty looks and feels like it just came off the production line.

There are a few other bits of rigid line that I just need to figure out the correct location of. Think I should have everything I need save for maybe the line from the front union to the flexi for the front and the offside rear...So that's definitely saved me some work!

 


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