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Zel's Motoring Adventures...Lada, Citroen, Mercedes & AC Model 70 (x2) - 17/10 - Activa Aux Belt Issues Sorted...


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#661 OFFLINE   Fumbler

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Posted 07 October 2018 - 06:41 PM

Ah, I see your point. Given that I'm lookiong at a dedicated store that gets parts from the IzhAvto factory that still makes 2107s and I think 2104s, and also they have a lot of OEM stock, I think Lada Power is fair play, especially for getting oddball and niche things as well as Lada recommended shocks, springs etc.

 

Good news on the coupling anywho. I'd love to see your progress getting that in.


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Posted 07 October 2018 - 06:46 PM

theres some place still making Ladas?

 

I thought the last places wound up shop in the early 2010s?

 

how much would a new one cost hypothetically?  :mrgreen: (I wonder how long until we start seeing people building "new ones" out of new Body shells like people do with Minis and MGs)



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Posted 07 October 2018 - 06:53 PM

Egypt had production shunted there in 2014 thereabouts. Their models include a pickup and the standard 2107. For the life of me I can't remember is they still make estates. People have been rebuilding 2101s with the new parts because everything bar the drive, lights, interior and engine are more or less the same, so I guess it's the Mini and MG thing we have here after all.


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#664 ONLINE   Zelandeth

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Posted 07 October 2018 - 09:25 PM

Will document getting the flexible coupling changed. I picked up the new one when I saw the original was perished, I know the bolts can be a royal pain to get out though, so the plan was always to leave it be until it started causing vibration. The Lada ones always seem to give plenty of warning when they start going rather than just spontaneously disintegrating.

Lada were still producing what was essentially the Riva with very slightly rounded off corners (kinda like what Daewoo did to the Vauxhall Astra when they launched the Nexia) until 2014 or thereabouts as the "Classic" I believe.

Parts supply from the factory (RHD and UK specific emission control gubbins excepted) is generally very, very good. The fact that there are still zillions of them in service in Russia etc means there's still a healthy market for them.
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Posted 13 October 2018 - 06:33 PM

Finally got a chance to give the Activa some attention today.

It has been having issues in that the aux drive belt is determinedly doing this:

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You can straighten everything up again, but the moment the engine starts, it's riding off the edge of the hydraulic pump again.

After quite carefully checking that everything is rotating smoothly, there's no play in anything, the tensioner seems fine etc, everything is sitting square.

However this looks odd to me. I'm pretty sure there wasn't a shiny edge on the crankshaft pulley originally...

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What I'm thinking at this point is that the rubber joint between the two parts of the pulley has failed, allowing the outer section to slide towards the inboard side of where it sits...and that's pulling the belt with it.

This seem a plausible explanation?

If so it's probably less of a pain to sort than changing the tensioner...

Current fleet: 1996 Citroen Xantia 2.0T Activa. 1993 Lada Riva 1.5EFi Estate.  1990 Mercedes 208D Auto Trail Navajo.  1985 Sinclair C5.  1973 & 1975 AC Model 70s.


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Posted 13 October 2018 - 06:36 PM

There's nothing wrong with investigating. To me your theory is very plausible as well.


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VAZ 2104, 2105, 2109 (That's going to be tricky)-Nissan Bluebird-A Yugo of some sort.

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Posted 13 October 2018 - 08:34 PM

Sounds about right. TVDs are certainly a weak point on moderns.

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Posted 13 October 2018 - 08:44 PM

I think you've hit the nail on the head with that



#669 ONLINE   Zelandeth

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Posted 14 October 2018 - 01:07 PM

Right, I've got a new pulley on the way. Having looked at photos of new one, that step between the inner and outer sections on mine definitely shouldn't be there.

For anyone else who's looking for this in future, the Citroen part no is 0515.H6.

Hopefully this will restore normality once fitted.

Current fleet: 1996 Citroen Xantia 2.0T Activa. 1993 Lada Riva 1.5EFi Estate.  1990 Mercedes 208D Auto Trail Navajo.  1985 Sinclair C5.  1973 & 1975 AC Model 70s.


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Posted Yesterday, 11:10 AM

This just arrived.

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Will have a shot at getting it fitted later on.

Sure getting the bolt out will be fun given it's tightened to OMG-YOU-MUST-BE-KIDDING lb/f and has thread lock on from memory...at least it's not too hard to get at.
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Posted Yesterday, 03:45 PM

Well that was pretty painless.

Tension off the belt...

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Old pulley off...yep, that's stuffed...

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New one installed and tightened up...

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Paint marker is to allow me to keep an eye on it to be sure the bolt doesn't try to unscrew itself for a few days before I put the wheel arch liner back in.

Yes, I did thread lock it too...

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The replacement pulley I bought was a Febi Bilstein one (part no 31102), the going rate for which is about £65 at the time of writing. There were some no-name ones for less than half that, but with how important a component this is (especially in a green blooded Citroen!) it seemed worth spending a few quid to get a brand I trust. The Gates one at North of £100 just seemed a bit excessive though.

This does appear to have restored normality I'm glad to report. The belt seems a little noisier than I remember, but in the same breath it's a brand new one so will need to bed in a bit, also the battery is pretty low (car's been sitting since mid July...), so the alternator will be pulling a lot of power from the belt. Will keep an eye on it.

Tomorrow's task is to attack the LHM tank with a box of decent hose clips. I know I've got an issue with it aerating the fluid, and one of the returns is obviously weeping given that this message is what I'm left with within a few hundred miles of cleaning the reservoir.

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Hopefully a box of hose clips will resolve both of these problems.

Observations not having driven it for a month:

The clutch is so light that it doesn't feel like the pedal is connected to anything.

Man it's comfy.

Holy hell it's quick...the prerequisite grin emerged the first time full boost arrived.

Have I mentioned it's comfy?

Yep...have missed driving it.

Once again slapping myself on the wrist for ever considering selling it. Even if it does cost me utterly stupid amounts of money to insure.
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Posted Yesterday, 03:51 PM

you forgot to mention how you end up in the door pocket anytime you chuck it into a corner granted YOU have a steering wheel to hang onto  :mrgreen:

 

glad to see its back up and running with the aux belt situation being fixed :) as for insurance is there any way to stuff it onto a classic car policy?



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Posted Yesterday, 04:04 PM

The problems are twofold.

Most classic insurers (at least those who offer a meaningful discount it seems) require you to have one car on normal cover before they will give you a classic policy. The Activa is that car.

It's also an oddball high performance French hatchback that's worth pennies, so it's seen statistically as a very high risk.

Nevertheless, Adrian Flux are taking the piss with what they're charging me at the moment I reckon.

Current fleet: 1996 Citroen Xantia 2.0T Activa. 1993 Lada Riva 1.5EFi Estate.  1990 Mercedes 208D Auto Trail Navajo.  1985 Sinclair C5.  1973 & 1975 AC Model 70s.


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Posted Yesterday, 04:39 PM

The problems are twofold.

Most classic insurers (at least those who offer a meaningful discount it seems) require you to have one car on normal cover before they will give you a classic policy. The Activa is that car.

It's also an oddball high performance French hatchback that's worth pennies, so it's seen statistically as a very high risk.

Nevertheless, Adrian Flux are taking the piss with what they're charging me at the moment I reckon.

 

buy a cheap 1L pice of top shite stick that on the normal policy their-for allowing you to move the Xantia onto classic? :)

 

tis the perfect excuse to buy more cars  :mrgreen:



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Posted Yesterday, 05:52 PM

That's one niche the 107 used to fill! Sadly I've already got one more car than I have parking spaces, so there's not really much scope for buying more stuff. ...Plus this is a relatively expensive area for insurance anyhow...so it's unlikely I'd be seeing a policy for far less than £500 a year I reckon. ...so unless it would more than half the cost of the policy on the Xantia (currently roughly £1100/year) it would wind up costing me more anyhow.

I will be having a detailed discussion with Hagerty (who cover both the van and Lada) when it's due for renewal though to see if they can do anything as the price I'm paying just now is frankly ludicrous. Service isn't a patch on when I first switched to them originally either. You spend just as long on hold in China when calling them as any other provider these days. ...Yet their customer service team still don't work weekends...which is a royal pain if you buy a car at the weekend!
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Posted Yesterday, 06:19 PM

Holy same day update...

Also just fixed this. It's been on the do list since about May.

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Took all of 30 seconds to sort.
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Posted Yesterday, 10:29 PM

You may recall me mentioning that the belt had seemed a bit generally noisy compared to before.

I think I may randomly have just spotted the culprit.

I first draw your attention to exhibit A: the photo of the driveway covered in atomised bits of PSA wiring loom conduit.

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I then draw your attention to exhibit B...

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That looks suspiciously like a bit of said conduit which has managed to find it's way into the tiny gap between the pulley and the tensioner...it definitely wasn't there when I first assembled things, so must have found it's way there after the belt was tensioned and I was tidying up.

What do you want to get that's still sitting there making a racket?

Current fleet: 1996 Citroen Xantia 2.0T Activa. 1993 Lada Riva 1.5EFi Estate.  1990 Mercedes 208D Auto Trail Navajo.  1985 Sinclair C5.  1973 & 1975 AC Model 70s.





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