Mr Lobster Posted May 22, 2009 Share Posted May 22, 2009 Yes, I think its fair to say the Ssangyong range is not desirable. Or you could say its plain shit.Can't imagine they'll be missed in a few years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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dollywobbler Posted May 22, 2009 Share Posted May 22, 2009 They started off well - bizzarely I can even see the appeal of a Musso - but the Rodius is just a whole heap of grim.Oooh, here's a good'un. Tata Safari! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted May 22, 2009 Share Posted May 22, 2009 Can I nominate these I just cant see where these slow/fragile pieces of shit have a market in the uk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FredTransit Posted May 22, 2009 Share Posted May 22, 2009 Oo oo! I've got one! The G Wizz! never trust anything I could get in the back of me van I say..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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FredTransit Posted May 22, 2009 Share Posted May 22, 2009 Yes cars, and while I am at it I have a problem with anything with precisely half the wheel nuts as a LWB. It's the work of the devil.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Betaphile Posted May 23, 2009 Share Posted May 23, 2009 Simple - All new Peugeots since the 307 came out in 2001.Total crap, the lot of them. The 407 is OK to look at, but is unreliable and not a patch on the 406. The rest just 'make me want to barf', as PaulH of this parish once memorably said.They seriously need to get Pininfarina back on styling their cars.I would nominate the 307 as the worst car of this decade.When the 307 came out my dad went to have a look at the runout deals on 306s. I had a poke around one of the 307s they had in stock. When I went to get out, the trim surround for the doorhandle came off in my hand. Mind you, they were unfathomably popular here, all with that stupid COTY-winning sticker in the back window. My curiosity overcame me a while back - I had to look it up and see just what it had beaten to win. Ladies and gentlemen, I present the top 3 for European COTY, 2002: Peugeot 307Renault LagunaFiat StiloMiniHonda CivicCitroen C5Jaguar X-TypeThat has to be up there in all-time shitest COTY fields, and that's saying something... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albert Ross Posted May 23, 2009 Share Posted May 23, 2009 Can I suggest the Kia Picanto, Kia Soul (They had to plaster it on the back so it had some) and the Proton Savvy. Theres the Suzuki Liana aswell......where does that fit in a range of cars? Nissan Note (In Yorkshire, nowt means precisely that.........it has nothing to offer) And the Nissan Murano...where's the sense in it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andrew e Posted May 23, 2009 Share Posted May 23, 2009 Get in a Nissan (Infinity) Murano, and the quality is fantastic, better than Merc or Lexus, thats its purpose the executive field, I quite fancy one along with a Cayenne or a Lexus 430 to replace the 5 series when it hits 200k. I could suffer an 8 grand hit for something I'd drive to death over 5 years and sit in for 2 and a half hours a day (like the present wheels, and those before it). I'm not very good at this Autoshite Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pillock Posted May 23, 2009 Share Posted May 23, 2009 Definately feeling the Ssangyong unlove.Saw a Rexxon yesterday and gave it a long hard WTF??. I don't think they even say they're Ssangyongs on them, they're that proud of the name - I had to google it. also, it looks from the front like someone has rammed something very hard up it's bum. Edit: It's actually a Rexton. Stupid name, stupider badge that looked like a double-X Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dollywobbler Posted May 23, 2009 Share Posted May 23, 2009 Yes cars, and while I am at it I have a problem with anything with precisely half the wheel nuts as a LWB. It's the work of the devil....Presume you're on about anything with three wheel nuts? Pistols at dawn!! 2CVs seem to manage very nicely with just three.All those little underpowered city cars are filling the gap left when Reliant three wheelers disappeared. I want to like Reliants, but I'm always left thinking that a car really should have a wheel at each corner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
55bloke Posted May 23, 2009 Share Posted May 23, 2009 Pug 206's are the work o the devil. That is all. Why? I've always thought they looked pretty good- much better than anything that followed. My other half has a I.6 which she absolutely LOVES, and which I frequently drive. It's nippy, quiet, and fairly comfortable. I can think of far FAR worse candidates!! Almost all current, family-owner type cars are unbelievably ugly in my eyes- I can't think of one that I'd rather own than my R 25! And, don't even get me started on SUVs and all those bloody Chelsea Tractors! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milford Cubicle Posted May 23, 2009 Share Posted May 23, 2009 I think Ssangyongs are fairly inoffensive compared to some of the horrors mainstream manufacturers are producing, especially Peugeot (ad nauseam)I wouldn't mind a Musso pick-upApparently available in the UK for about 5 minutes in 2006, I saw one at the local Ssangyong/Subaru dealer, which is now a Lidl. I don't see the point in those microcars at all. Can they even be driven on a motorcycle license? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Reverend Bluejeans Posted May 23, 2009 Share Posted May 23, 2009 Those Meganes were superceded by the 'fat arse' ones, which are at least distinctive, and not unpleasant to drive either. Now the current Megane is even more wacky in looks. Renault have really got it together just as Peugeot seem to be utterly losing the plot.But really, the early Megane is just like a 19 - is there actually a reason to own one? To most, non-shite folk, I'd suggest not at all.I'd go along with that. The original Megraine was just wallpaper, but the fat arsed one is a funky bit of styling and not awful to drive. I had one as a hire car in Germany just after they came out. Sixt had run out of Golfs so I had a 1.4(?) petroleum Megane 5 door. Not a bad car new and should be quite appealing when they're £500 (2011).There is very little from 2000 onwards that will provoke a "Christ! Do you remember those things?!" reaction.I'd say the slidey door Pug 1007, the bustle back E65 BMW 7 Series (333 bhp V8 and i-drive for £500), first series A Class Mercs, alloy bodied XJ Jags.Absolutely nothing from Vauxhall will be missed. Same with Ford, Ka excepted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dollywobbler Posted May 23, 2009 Share Posted May 23, 2009 Absolutely nothing from Vauxhall will be missed.Oh I don't know. There are some nice Australian Vauxhalls... I actually still like the look of the first Zafira. Very nicely styled. Shame the seats are so uncompromisingly awful in Vauxhalls. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Posted May 23, 2009 Share Posted May 23, 2009 There is very little from 2000 onwards that will provoke a "Christ! Do you remember those things?!" reaction.I'd say the slidey door Pug 1007, the bustle back E65 BMW 7 Series (333 bhp V8 and i-drive for £500), first series A Class Mercs, alloy bodied XJ Jags.Absolutely nothing from Vauxhall will be missed. Same with Ford, Ka excepted.Vauxhalls, with a few exceptions, have never achieved classic status, in fact the Nova is probably the first mainstream Vauxhall to gain any kind of following. For virtually any past Vauxhall the equivalent Ford model is worth much more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dollywobbler Posted May 23, 2009 Share Posted May 23, 2009 Very true - but then I've never been able to work out why people get so excited about Fords. I can see no reason for it at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IanF Posted May 23, 2009 Share Posted May 23, 2009 Same with Ford, Ka excepted.I'll put a virtual fiver on early Focus' being the Mk1/Mk2 Escort of its time in about five years for the simple fact that they're fun to drive like a twat, especially the 1.6's, and should be relatively easy to insure for the 'yout'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Split_Pin Posted May 23, 2009 Share Posted May 23, 2009 Absolutely nothing from Vauxhall will be missed. Same with Ford, Ka excepted.Vauxhalls, with a few exceptions, have never achieved classic status, in fact the Nova is probably the first mainstream Vauxhall to gain any kind of following.You should come to VBOA @ Billing in July then Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gompo Posted May 23, 2009 Share Posted May 23, 2009 Out of the era of cars 'we' should like, I would say something like an E34 518 has to be one of the least desirable cars for me. The same era Mercs with low powered engines too, but they arent meant to be the drivers cars BMWs are.. I really dislike modern-ish Audis, from 1997 or so onwards, so they're totally undesirable to me - but before then, even the lower powered ones have some desirablility as they look nice, and didnt have the same status they have now...However, lots of middle of the road crap from late 90s and early 00's are totally undesirable to me. I should really be saying Citroen C5s, especially the facelift with the horrible rear lights - but unfortunately they pass the wank stage and have gone into shite/cool. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Station Posted May 23, 2009 Author Share Posted May 23, 2009 Vauxhalls, with a few exceptions, have never achieved classic status, in fact the Nova is probably the first mainstream Vauxhall to gain any kind of following. For virtually any past Vauxhall the equivalent Ford model is worth much more.I'd say of most of them, the Nova is just a farty little car in the same league as Fiestas. There are loads of Vauxhalls/Opels that I'd say were of classic and highly desirable status: Aren't they nice! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fiatdaft Posted May 23, 2009 Share Posted May 23, 2009 very Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Split_Pin Posted May 23, 2009 Share Posted May 23, 2009 Indeedy!Even early MK2 Cavaliers, especially the 'SR' variant which is now very rare (5 left or something) attract a lot of attention at Vauxhall shows. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vicsmith Posted May 25, 2009 Share Posted May 25, 2009 Cars don`t always look that great to everyone, but there is no such thing as a bad car.I love all this judge jury executioner stuff with cars, especially as half the time people are probably just quoting Clarkson, Brewer, their dad or some other codpiece without even realising it. Yeah I appreciate some of this is based on personal experience, but whenever I hear someone going on about a car being rubbish I just can`t understand what the problem is - whatever the car is just get used to it, give it a chance, drive within it`s limits, stop comparing it to other stuff and stop being such a picky, hard-to-please nonce about it. It`s better than walking, or the bus.Anyway the thread is about the least desirable cars, which I would say in this country at least tend to be small 4 dr saloons - 306 Sedan, Megane Classic, Almera 4-door, that sort of thing, nowhere near as much call for them as there is for their hatchback variants, but I cannot understand why nor ever will. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Reverend Bluejeans Posted May 25, 2009 Share Posted May 25, 2009 Cars don`t always look that great to everyone, but there is no such thing as a bad car.I love all this judge jury executioner stuff with cars, especially as half the time people are probably just quoting Clarkson, Brewer, their dad or some other codpiece without even realising it. Quite. My next door neighboor has had a Zafira (from new) for 2.5 years. It's never gone wrong and does exactly what he wants it to do. Therefore it is a good car. Most Vauxhalls today are good cars, and I've never moaned about a Vectra C hire car.But they're not interesting in any way, shape or form. With the odd exception, they never have been.As for the examples from Station; Five cars over the space of fifty years is a piss poor result. Look how many genuinely sought after Fords you could have since 1959 - I could name five Escorts that are valuable classics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted May 25, 2009 Share Posted May 25, 2009 If we are looking at new cars the local Kia dealer had the Soul on display-at a local show. I would rather blow my twelve and a half grand on a crack whore than one of those. Really really vile looking car-bet its a misrable thing to drive too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VWPowered Posted May 25, 2009 Share Posted May 25, 2009 Can I nominate these I just cant see where these slow/fragile pieces of shit have a market in the uk.loads of the crapp things here... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albert Ross Posted May 26, 2009 Share Posted May 26, 2009 I'm not quoting anyone when I say Vauxhalls are shit. The Antara had recalls on it before it was released on sale. Incorrect wheelnuts!Insignia, every single one we've sold has been back with a fault (The new Edsel?) Some were only 300 miles in before the PAS system decided to haemorrhage all over the blacktop. Most of the faults are electrical.Corsa? Steering/suspension faults. Recalls on ABS system due to poor water sealing and possible corrosrion of ABS plug on ECU. Incorrectly welded lower wishbones. I have replaced steering columns on cars lesss than a month old.Astra. Where to start..........Head gaskets, blocked crankcase breathers with subsequent poor running on petrols. EGR systems on the 1.9 Diesels. DPF faults on the same. Clutches.....flywheels.......Gearbox/driveshaft seal leaks. Electrical maladies.Vectra. Broken springs, balljoint wear, rear suspension arm bush wear, tyre wear (obviously due to the former faults) Exhausts dropping off!Handbrake linkage recall. Wiper mechanism failures/collapsing/seizures.Zafira . Same as Astra, but more bloody awkward to fix.Meriva....not too bad IMHO.Agila. Never see them back.Vivaro/Movano....OH MY GOD! Handbrake faults, sterring rack leaks, gearbox faults, fuel pump issues where they decide to implode and suck up metal in the fuel into the main injection pump. Oil leaks. Air flow meter faults. ECU problems etc etc etcTigra/Astra Twintop. roof leaks, misalignment, failure to close, failure to fully open, paintwork scratches due to the previous. How they remain in the business I do not know. I work for them as it makes me busier than I would be at Toyota, therefore stay in a job............. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
retrogeezer Posted May 26, 2009 Share Posted May 26, 2009 Agila. Never see them back.Is that because they are made by Suzuki? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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