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#721 ONLINE   SiC

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Posted 16 January 2018 - 08:06 PM

It was the owners manual that said about using grease on the cam. Not sure how well it'll wick on the fabric type material.

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Posted 16 January 2018 - 08:50 PM

To be fair if you take the 1500 Triumph lump ober 3.5k on the regular it'll eat it's big end bearings so that might not be the best example! ;)

 

The 1850 used to have an oil light but not gauge, given how unreliable the gauges were (they all functioned, just rarely showed anything accurate) this was probably for the best. Hell, even the oil light sender died leading to it flickering if I was doing under 3000rpm, I just replaced that on the basis it was the cheapest thing to try and the light stopped flickering...

 

I got mine when I was 20, guess how a young bloke drove a sports car? Never had an issue with it because I changed the oil enough & backed off when I felt it getting hot & rattley. Took it halfway around the UK on various trips, never sat below 65 on the motorway which was about 3,750rpm (4,100 at 70, I didn't memorise these & disconnect the speedo for the limited mileage insurance at all...). Damn thing never did below 35mpg either, which was odd as it spent a lot of it's life sideways & the book said 28-30mpg.


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Posted 16 January 2018 - 09:13 PM

It was the owners manual that said about using grease on the cam. Not sure how well it'll wick on the fabric type material.

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The cam is the side of the spindle that the plastic heel of the points run on. Lightly grease that.

A drop of oil in the hole at the top of the spindle with the screw in it and a drop though the hole in the plate the points are screwed to.

Do not grease the fibre pad in top of the spindle.

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CHRIS1980, on 08 Jan 2016 - 8:37 PM, said:snapback.png

Your clearly thick....end of.


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Posted 16 January 2018 - 09:14 PM

The cam is the side of the spindle that the plastic heel of the points runs on. Lightly grease that and the peg the points mount on.

A drop of oil in the hole at the top of the spindle with the screw in it and a drop though the hole in the plate the points are screwed to.

Do not grease the fibre pad in top of the spindle.

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Your clearly thick....end of.


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Posted 16 January 2018 - 09:15 PM

Yeah that.


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Posted 16 January 2018 - 10:10 PM

The other thing you will find is that it's entirely likely that once you get it out and getting some miles under its wheels that you'll find reliability will improve dramatically after a while.

 

The Pug 306 I had a few years back had been in virtual hibernation for a couple of years when I got it, and when pressed into regular service immediately manifested several odd and annoying faults in quick succession.  Including a broken earth strap, in the dark, in the middle of the Scottish countryside.  Once that handful of things was sorted and it was getting some use, getting properly warmed through etc regularly most of the niggles vanished.  There were several creaks, knocks and rattles when I got it that vanished after a few hundred miles.

 

Sitting idle in the driveway I reckon is the worst thing for car reliability there is.

 

Just make sure you've got breakdown cover (AutoAid are about £40 for a full year for you for any vehicle) too as that massively reduces the stress of the "what happens if..." factor.


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Posted 16 January 2018 - 10:56 PM

I would mount two side by side, fit them with spade terminals and have a virtually instant repair available for next time it fails, which by all accounts is quite likely these days. (They never were that reliable)

 

Not a bad idea given what I keep reading about modern ones! I have to disagree slightly though and say that when I ran points in the Stellar (my only long term ownership of a car with a mechanical ignition system) I only changed the condensor once. I bought it with 85k miles, eventually fitting electronic ignition at 171k miles and only changed it 'just in case' rather than due to a failure. I gapped the points every 6k miles, and changed them every other service; which meant I was fiddling with them 3-4 times a year. Hence the eventual change to Lumenition, which has been reliable for 32k miles now.



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Posted 16 January 2018 - 11:07 PM

The Lumenition kit to me seems hideously overpriced for what it is and I can't justify paying what they ask for it. Basically an optical chopper disc, a photo interrupter and a Ignition amplifier (essentially a transistor in a box). As far as I'm aware, all the timing is still done by the distributor?

The 123Ignition replacement electronic distributor isn't much more expensive but that's mappable and doesn't relying on your existing shagged out distributor.
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Posted 16 January 2018 - 11:09 PM

Condensers seem to be one of those things that are utter rubbish - until you suddenly find one that just lasts forever.  Same brand, same part number and all...but that one just keeps going.

 

Some cars seem particularly hard on them too.  My Skoda Rapid in particular used to eat them with sufficient regularity that I used to keep at least one spare with the car at all times.  Never had any trouble with them in either of my Metros or Novas though.


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Posted 16 January 2018 - 11:32 PM

The Lumenition kit to me seems hideously overpriced for what it is and I can't justify paying what they ask for it. Basically an optical chopper disc, a photo interrupter and a Ignition amplifier (essentially a transistor in a box). As far as I'm aware, all the timing is still done by the distributor?

 

That's correct, and I agree with you regarding pricing - I didn't mean to come across as suggesting this is what you must get! I was just giving my experiences for information. When I bought it in 2001, it was around the £100 mark, so don't know what it is now and there doesn't appear to have been any visual differences over the years!

 

I certainly wasn't aware of any alternatives at the time, apart from a transistor in a box which still relied on the points for a trigger so I just went with it. Part of the appeal was that I could buy the chopper for the original Stellar distributor, then change it for the Rover V8 chopper once I'd done the engine swap :-) (Which took rather longer than planned...) The mappable distributor idea does float my boat so given the same choice back then that's probably what I'd have gone for, assuming it doesn't have any reliability concerns? I've not looked into it so have no clue either way.


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Posted 17 January 2018 - 12:02 AM

Stick with points and a condenser. Check them regularly so you know the gap of by heart and spend the money saved on breakdown cover. Not that you'll ever need it once you've got it as the MG will then run like a dream just to seriously piss you off. Mind you, the moment you cancel the cover it will know !!
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Posted 18 January 2018 - 09:21 AM

Has this been doing the miles yet?! Just checking in for the scenic photos after a 50 mile thrash.

 

C'mon man - you've done the dirty fingernail business, now show us the fun stuff!


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Posted 18 January 2018 - 10:00 AM

Has this been doing the miles yet?!


No. Not had time yet. :(

Its distributor is still sitting on my office desk still waiting to be fitted and static timed!

After last nights weather chucking more moss from our house roof onto it, it could do with a wash too.
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Posted 18 January 2018 - 10:38 AM

After last nights weather chucking more moss from our house roof onto it, it could do with a wash too.

 

A rolling MG gathers no moss.


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Posted 18 January 2018 - 11:09 AM

A rolling MG gathers no moss.


Not true, Moss are a parts supplier for this lot;)
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Posted 18 January 2018 - 07:54 PM

Not true, Moss are a parts supplier for this lot;)

Funny you should say that. This has just appeared in my inbox!

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(Note the spelling mistake in their mailshot...)
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Posted 18 January 2018 - 10:12 PM

Email them back pointing out their error and claiming your free 123 distributer as the free gift for being the first one to spot it.
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Posted 19 January 2018 - 08:54 AM

Funny you should say that. This has just appeared in my inbox!

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(Note the spelling mistake in their mailshot...)

 

Is that a Mk2 Astra ragtop?



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Posted 19 January 2018 - 09:50 AM

Is that a Mk2 Astra ragtop?

 

Looks like a Golf IV* cabrio to me... So far more likely to turn into ferrous oxide or break down than anything BL has ever produced.



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Posted 19 January 2018 - 12:28 PM

You might be right at that, I'd forgot they did a Golf skip until you mentioned it.



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Posted 19 January 2018 - 12:42 PM

VW also seem to occasionally forget they do one... Which is why the second and fourth generation cabrios are lash-ups based on the first and third generation models respectively.


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Posted 19 January 2018 - 01:16 PM

Moss also doesn't stock any parts for VWs either.
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Posted 20 January 2018 - 06:27 PM

Had some time today to get this out back together again. Also I'm still not happy with the oil pressure. But I'll come to that in a moment.

First off was to finger the distributor hole to clean out any crap (felt a couple bits of grit in there) and oil the hole. Don't want any distributors getting siezed up here! :D

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Statically timed it at 10degrees. Getting good at this now I've done it so much. I now do it with a multimeter on continuity mode. Once I get it roughly right, I then tweak it so I get in the tens of ohms range. This would be equivalent to a bulb just flickering on dimly.

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Then I remembered to reconnect the vacuum line for the distributor at both ends. Started her up.

Everyone loves a cold start video right?


Did another quick tune on the carbs. I think I've got them pretty good. Took plugs out but they were pretty dirty. I hope this is just because I haven't driven it under load for a while.

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The pump also seems to be actuating much more when the engine isn't running. Now clicks every minute or so. Is this right?

Checked the carb overflows with the ignition on for a bit and nothing came out. No idea why the pressure is dropping or how. Clamping the fuel pipe just after the filter makes it hold its pressure for like an hour.

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One wierd thing I found was that if I revved the engine when cold, the oil pressure dropped??! What's that about??

Once warm the oil pressure seemed to sit around the 40psi mark at idle. Revving it made it increase to 50psi odd. Never drops below that. It certainly never used to!!



I wonder if the oil filter is shit and offering too much resistance. Possibly even the over pressure valve is being actuated.

The exhaust is also very smokey, even when warm. Not sure if it's just because it's cold outside but I'm sure it used to run smokeless once warmed up. Smoke isn't condensation as it smells. My nose isn't good enough to determine if it's fuel or oil though. Again oil pressure/filter related?



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2010 Aldi A4 - Owned to placate the wife on my crap buying


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Wife history (that she used/owned but I had frequent use of): 2002 Renault Clio II 1.2 16v (Billabong!), 2006 Mazda MX5 1.8, 2004 VW Golf 1.6 FSI, 2005 Renault Scenic II 2.0 (went bad from the drive back when buying it!), 2002 Vauxhall Astra 1.6 16v (now phil_lihp ex-colleague), 2005 Renault Laguna II v6 (Now angle)

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Posted 20 January 2018 - 06:29 PM

Current love for car: 2/10 :(
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2010 Aldi A4 - Owned to placate the wife on my crap buying


My history: 2003 Clio II 1.2 16v (First car), 2003 Honda Civic 3dr 1.7 CTDi (Isuzu lump), 1992 Mazda MX5 1.6, 2005 Mazda RX8 192bhp, 2005 Saab 9-3 1.9TiD 150bhp, 2007 Honda Civic 2.2 CTDi, 2004 Renault Scenic 1.6 Auto (Now Kiltox FiL), 2004 Saab 9-5 2.3t (Now Hooli), 2004 Smart Roadster 80bhp
Wife history (that she used/owned but I had frequent use of): 2002 Renault Clio II 1.2 16v (Billabong!), 2006 Mazda MX5 1.8, 2004 VW Golf 1.6 FSI, 2005 Renault Scenic II 2.0 (went bad from the drive back when buying it!), 2002 Vauxhall Astra 1.6 16v (now phil_lihp ex-colleague), 2005 Renault Laguna II v6 (Now angle)

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Posted 20 January 2018 - 06:33 PM

I know what you're going to tell me. I need to do this with the oil pressure gauge...

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Oh and I did another compression test after tuning. So engine fully warm and battery fully charged. This time I got:
Cyl 1   125psi
Cyl 2   125psi
Cyl 3   122psi
Cyl 4   130psi
I reckon the £9 Chinese compression tester is just shit. I get a slight higher reading if I leave the gauge flat rather than upright. So I'm not worrying about the pressure drop. Especially as it's consistent between cylinders.
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2010 Aldi A4 - Owned to placate the wife on my crap buying


My history: 2003 Clio II 1.2 16v (First car), 2003 Honda Civic 3dr 1.7 CTDi (Isuzu lump), 1992 Mazda MX5 1.6, 2005 Mazda RX8 192bhp, 2005 Saab 9-3 1.9TiD 150bhp, 2007 Honda Civic 2.2 CTDi, 2004 Renault Scenic 1.6 Auto (Now Kiltox FiL), 2004 Saab 9-5 2.3t (Now Hooli), 2004 Smart Roadster 80bhp
Wife history (that she used/owned but I had frequent use of): 2002 Renault Clio II 1.2 16v (Billabong!), 2006 Mazda MX5 1.8, 2004 VW Golf 1.6 FSI, 2005 Renault Scenic II 2.0 (went bad from the drive back when buying it!), 2002 Vauxhall Astra 1.6 16v (now phil_lihp ex-colleague), 2005 Renault Laguna II v6 (Now angle)

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Posted 20 January 2018 - 06:35 PM

Just drive the bloody thing, a good run would clean it up a lot I bet.


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Posted 20 January 2018 - 06:39 PM

What Hooligans said.

If it's timed up ok and starts/idles then go thrash it.

If it blows up at least you have put some miles on it before having to rebuild
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Posted 20 January 2018 - 06:53 PM

If it runs go and drive the bastard.THE worst thing you can do is continually start it up for 5 mins on the choke,fouling the plugs and filling the engine with damp.
So long as you have SOME pressure,it is fine.The oil you used was bargain bucket,it will burn more if engine is a bit old.
"Smoke" just looks like normal cold exhaust vapor to me,all that starting up and being sat will have filled the engine and zorst with damp.if it was blue,its oil,if its black,its fuel.looks grey to me.
Drive it.
Clean it out,Get it hot.
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Posted 20 January 2018 - 07:00 PM

Take it out for a thrashing!!!! Just do it!
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Posted 20 January 2018 - 07:03 PM

I had every intention to go out in it this afternoon when I woke up! Unfortunately by the time it stopped raining and get outside to finish putting back together, it got dark. I've just nipped out in the Civic and followed a gritter. Sod going out on salty roads.

I'll probably lob another filter on it (Mann this time) tomorrow, just to allay my concerns. Like three quid from ECP on a code.

The good news it that it's fully back together and ready to go for a run! Also despite it raining heavily outside the last few weeks, the foot wells are dry. Some positives...
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Current Fleet:
1974 MGB GT - A stereotypical classic car.
2007 Honda Civic EX CTDi - The reliable runner that is like the family pet.
2010 Aldi A4 - Owned to placate the wife on my crap buying


My history: 2003 Clio II 1.2 16v (First car), 2003 Honda Civic 3dr 1.7 CTDi (Isuzu lump), 1992 Mazda MX5 1.6, 2005 Mazda RX8 192bhp, 2005 Saab 9-3 1.9TiD 150bhp, 2007 Honda Civic 2.2 CTDi, 2004 Renault Scenic 1.6 Auto (Now Kiltox FiL), 2004 Saab 9-5 2.3t (Now Hooli), 2004 Smart Roadster 80bhp
Wife history (that she used/owned but I had frequent use of): 2002 Renault Clio II 1.2 16v (Billabong!), 2006 Mazda MX5 1.8, 2004 VW Golf 1.6 FSI, 2005 Renault Scenic II 2.0 (went bad from the drive back when buying it!), 2002 Vauxhall Astra 1.6 16v (now phil_lihp ex-colleague), 2005 Renault Laguna II v6 (Now angle)




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