Junkman Posted June 26, 2017 Share Posted June 26, 2017 A German magazine recently published some statistics that I found rather interesting and somewat entertaining.Mind you, all these figures are from Germany alone and were compiled for 2016. There were 381,000 cars registered on H plates, which constituted 0.8% of all cars registered.There were an estimated 1,000,000 cars registered on regular plates, which would be H-plate eligible. The most popular (i.e. numerous) cars registered on H-plate: 10. Opel Kadett 9. Mercedes W113 8. VW Golf 7. Mercedes Fintail 6. Mercedes /8 5. VW Bulli (Type 2 T1) 4. Mercedes R107 3. Porsche 911 2. Mercedes W123 1. VW Beetle The most imported classic cars in 2016: 13. Datsun 240Z (only 300 new ones were ever sold in Germany)12. Ford F100 1st gen.11 .Ford F100 2nd gen.10. Corvette C1 9. Corvette C2 8. VW Karmann Ghia 7. VW Bulli Typ2 T1 6. VW Typ 2 T1 Samba 5. Jaguar E Type 4. Porsche 911 3. Chevrolet Camaro 1967-69 2. Chevrolet Camaro 1970-1981 1. Ford Mustang 1960s Classics with the highest proportional (i.e. %) value increase from 2000 to 2016: 5. Fiat 500F 4. Ford Escort MK 1 3. Mercedes W198 2. Citroen 2CV 1. VW Typ2 T2 I would be really interested in what these figures would be for the UK. Barry Cade, danthecapriman, Dirk Diggler and 5 others 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Hooli Posted June 26, 2017 Share Posted June 26, 2017 Is an H plate their historic tax type thing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junkman Posted June 26, 2017 Author Share Posted June 26, 2017 Yep. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zantimisfit Posted June 26, 2017 Share Posted June 26, 2017 Makes the German old car scene look a little dull from my perspective. I could go for a fintail Merc but old Volkswagens and the like leave me cold. Where are the Opel Commodores?? I guess the British equivalent of the H plate would see something containing all the usual suspects i.e. along the lines of Mini, Minor, MGB, Spitfire, Escort, Cortina, Consul Classic (OK maybe not Consul Classic then)in some order. There must be a way to find out egg and Junkman 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mercrocker Posted June 26, 2017 Share Posted June 26, 2017 Won't the comparison be skewed, though, by the H plate system which relies on conformity and actual take-up? I would imagine the FBHVC would have some figures but I can't see an easy way to get it from their website. HMRC or Border Force whatever they are called now should have some import statistics. Again, actually obtaining these would be a pain I imagine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timolloyd Posted June 26, 2017 Share Posted June 26, 2017 I imagine the super efficient contributors to our sister forum - Autoscheisse - have already researched the UK equivalent figures. richardthestag, Lankytim, Zantimisfit and 6 others 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timolloyd Posted June 26, 2017 Share Posted June 26, 2017 Seriously though, surprised there's no BMW in the top 10? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SiC Posted June 26, 2017 Share Posted June 26, 2017 Wasn't BMW a bit of a specialist and rare car pre 90s? Something that would be hard to believe nowadays! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richardmorris Posted June 26, 2017 Share Posted June 26, 2017 Wasn't BMW a bit of a specialist and rare car pre 90s? Something that would be hard to believe nowadays! But they weren't built particularly well or rust proofed. Like most of the cars of the era- apart from Mercedes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junkman Posted June 26, 2017 Author Share Posted June 26, 2017 Where are the Opel Commodores?? We raced them all in the 80s. simmo 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dollywobbler Posted June 26, 2017 Share Posted June 26, 2017 Classics with the highest proportional (i.e. %) value increase from 2000 to 2016: 5. Fiat 500F 4. Ford Escort MK 1 3. Mercedes W198 2. Citroen 2CV 1. VW Typ2 T2 I would be really interested in what these figures would be for the UK. Well, I can tell you that my 2CV was purchased for £450 in 2000, and was worth the square root of f*ck all by 2016, mostly because it was in bits and rotten as hell. Now, it's probably worth £5000, and all I've had to do is sink about £10,000 into it since 2000. Bargain. John F, solid61, AMC Rebel and 7 others 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghosty Posted June 26, 2017 Share Posted June 26, 2017 The British one would just be a list of old Fords. Junkman, Magnificent Rustbucket and adw1977 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 26, 2017 Share Posted June 26, 2017 Junkman, can you enlighten me on German number plates- Noticed whilst there that most have black letters, although some were red, and some green. What's the story? Also do they have some sort of private plate system, as I saw a few "coincidences"... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SiC Posted June 26, 2017 Share Posted June 26, 2017 I think (iirc from fuzzy memory) German plates is to do with their tax system and area. If you move area, you need to re-register and get new plates. I remember this because a polish housemate boyfriend was very surprised that over here we date cars on their registration plates. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John F Posted June 27, 2017 Share Posted June 27, 2017 Barry Cade., on 26 Jun 2017 - 11:23 PM, said:Junkman, can you enlighten me on German number plates- Noticed whilst there that most have black letters, although some were red, and some green. What's the story? Also do they have some sort of private plate system, as I saw a few "coincidences"...IMG_20170621_110658200.jpg OK then, deep breath... Large plates with black script are normal car / motorbike, lorry, etc. plates (with "H" suffix for historical vehicles, "E" suffix for electric vehicles, area code letters on the left used to be separated from the rest of the letters / digits with a dash before 1994)Large plates containing black script with the area code only followed by numbers (i.e. no other letters) are "official" ones, e.g. police, etc."Seasonal number plates" are like normal car / bike, etc. plates but contain a starting month placed above an ending month on the right hand side of the plate in a small font, like a fractionLarge plates with red script are "temporary" plates for cars / bikes, etc. similar to our trade plates but available to the general public too because I had one on my old Suzuki DR500 for a whileSmoll plates with black / blue / green script are "insurance" plates for mopeds / mobility scooters, etc. - the colour changes each year so insured vehicles are easier to identifySmoll plates with red script are temporary "insurance" plates for mopeds / mobility scooters, etc.Large plates with black script and a yellow band on the right are another form of temporary plate for normal cars / bikes, etc. valid only for 5 daysLarge plates with black script and a red band on the right are export platesLarge plates with green script are for tax-exempt vehicles e.g. agricultural equipmentLarge plates with black script and a 0 instead of the area code are diplomatic plates...and then there are plates with black script and special letter codes for military (X or Y with a German federal flag on the left), government, some police forces, etc. And yes, you can pay extra at the Verkehrsamt to get certain letter / number combinations on the proviso that they start with the area code in which you register the vehicle. So, is everyone happy with the British system? Barry Cade, SamR380, Magnificent Rustbucket and 5 others 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fordperv Posted June 27, 2017 Share Posted June 27, 2017 The British one would just be a list of old Fords.You say that like it's a bad thing Magnificent Rustbucket, andy18s, chaseracer and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junkman Posted June 27, 2017 Author Share Posted June 27, 2017 Junkman, can you enlighten me on German number plates- Noticed whilst there that most have black letters, although some were red, and some green. What's the story? Also do they have some sort of private plate system, as I saw a few "coincidences"...IMG_20170621_110658200.jpg The letters before the stamp (formerly a hyphen) are the place the car is registered at.The letter/number combination that follows is the actual reg.The H means it's registered as a historic car.'Official' vehicles (Communal, Police, Federal) only have the place letters and a number combination.Red characters mean it's a dealer plate.Green characters mean it's tax exempt. Only agricultural vehicles, trailers specifically for sporting goods/animals,showman's vehicles and certain vehicles for disaster relief are completely tax exempt in Germany. You can always chose the letter/number combination after the stamp, i.e. the actual reg. All you need to do is say you want a certain comboand if it is not yet taken, you can have it. This is 'officially' free of charge, but it is customary to make a small donation to a local charity'for the effort'. Barry Cade, NorfolkNWeigh, SiC and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorfolkNWeigh Posted June 27, 2017 Share Posted June 27, 2017 Whatever happened to the cool oval plates that I remember from television in my youth? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John F Posted June 27, 2017 Share Posted June 27, 2017 Whatever happened to the cool oval plates that I remember from television in my youth? These used to be used as export plates, but they've been replaced by the ones with the red stripe on the right. NorfolkNWeigh, Magnificent Rustbucket and Junkman 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junkman Posted June 27, 2017 Author Share Posted June 27, 2017 These used to be used as export plates, but they've been replaced by the ones with the red stripe on the right. The reason for the change was that the oval plate could only be used on cars with protruding bumpers.Once not every car exported was a Beetle, the plate became difficult to mount. Asimo, Magnificent Rustbucket, John F and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junkman Posted June 27, 2017 Author Share Posted June 27, 2017 So, is everyone happy with the British system? No, because no temporary or export plates are available and mopeds need to be registered/MoTed/taxed.The latter is the reason why I have a German insurance tag on my Mobylette. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John F Posted June 27, 2017 Share Posted June 27, 2017 ...no temporary or export plates are NEEDED. FTFY How does your German moped insurance work with you being an Austrian that is resident in the UK? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junkman Posted June 27, 2017 Author Share Posted June 27, 2017 How does your German moped insurance work with you being an Austrian that is resident in the UK? Rozzers aren't going after mopeds if you don't do anything daft, which I don't. If they ever ask, I'll tell them with my broadest German accent that I'm a tourist. The Reverend Bluejeans, Magnificent Rustbucket, RayMK and 3 others 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John F Posted June 27, 2017 Share Posted June 27, 2017 Hmmm, OK. Don't have an accident. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorfolkNWeigh Posted June 27, 2017 Share Posted June 27, 2017 FTFY How does your German moped insurance work with you being an Austrian that is resident in the UK? Magnificent Rustbucket, chaseracer, Junkman and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junkman Posted June 27, 2017 Author Share Posted June 27, 2017 Hmmm, OK. Don't have an accident. The German insurance doesn't care where in Europe I have an accident. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Junkman Posted June 27, 2017 Author Share Posted June 27, 2017 How many Germans have a moped strapped to their campervan and use it while on holidays?At least it's insured, as opposed to the millions of UK reg cars driving around in Spain for a decade or three. hennabm and Jerzy Woking 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnthonyG Posted June 27, 2017 Share Posted June 27, 2017 What's a Mercedes W113? Is that the 64-72 saloon (250/280/300) that was pre S class? Impressive survival rate for all Mercedes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
martc Posted June 27, 2017 Share Posted June 27, 2017 How many Germans have a moped strapped to their campervan and use it while on holidays?At least it's insured, as opposed to the millions of UK reg cars driving around in Spain for a decade or three.Or somebody I knew who rode a Benelli Tornado on Dutch plates for years. Neither he, nor the Benelli, were Dutch. Alusilber and Jerzy Woking 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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