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#121 OFFLINE   Junkman

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Posted 17 July 2017 - 08:39 PM

I let you in on a secret now: Most countries aren't in the EU.


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Posted 17 July 2017 - 08:50 PM

This year, for the first time in my French driving career (22+ years) I'm towing my caravan.

 

Not only is it a caravan, but its brand new and weighs 1800kg and it tows like a pig on acid.

 

The tow car?  My trusty* Discovery TD5 which is about to click over 139,000 miles.  It only FTP 2 this year.  WCPGW?


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Posted 17 July 2017 - 08:53 PM

I've been driving in France since Thursday and will be heading into Paris on Thursday coming. Wish me luck.
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#124 OFFLINE   nigel bickle

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Posted 17 July 2017 - 09:35 PM

Am I missing something?

We are talking about France- 22 miles from Dover, and not France, Uzbekistan?

My prep for driving en French:-

Pickup up wallet , passport, car keys, go. Simples.


This place...............
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Posted 17 July 2017 - 09:50 PM

You forgot the A frame
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Posted 17 July 2017 - 10:05 PM

Am I missing something?

We are talking about France- 22 miles from Dover, and not France, Uzbekistan?

My prep for driving en French:-

Pickup up wallet , passport, car keys, go. Simples.


This place...............

 

This somehow sounds exactly like I would prepare for actually driving to Uzbekistan.

This and the petrol tank cap excercise.


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Posted 17 July 2017 - 10:24 PM

I'd actually like to drive to Luxemburg one day.
Luxemburg in Kyrgyzstan that is.

Anyone in?
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Posted 18 July 2017 - 07:17 AM

I didn't forget the A frame.

Every sensible long distance tow car sports a Solomatic alteration under the rear seat or well hidden in the boot. Stuff the trailer board., can't hide that. Wife is always very suspicious...

I have many A frames...
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Posted 18 July 2017 - 01:12 PM

There will be compulsory fitting of beam benders and mandatory MOT checks for all non UK registered vehicles as they roll off the ferry into our beloved isle. This will ensure no riff raff driving shonky old shit or foreign registered wagons with no brakes and bald tyres are allowed to darken our pristine highways

 

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Posted 18 July 2017 - 06:26 PM

Come the revolution Brother!
However I'm fundamentally honest and have the unfortunate habit of trying to do the right thing.
I would also be mortified to be featured in Private Eye.

I believe this rules me out of becoming a politician.
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Posted 18 July 2017 - 08:11 PM

One thing I have noticed is that the drivers here like to press on a bit. If you happen to find yourself in the outside lane overtaking slower traffic and a car closes up behind he will literally hang off your back bumper until you pull back over.
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#132 OFFLINE   nigel bickle

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Posted 18 July 2017 - 09:36 PM

Nearly all of Europe, and the world, travels faster than we do.

In the lil bubble that is UK, we seem to think slower is better, safer, wiser.


Whilst the rest of the world accelerates away.

It's only when you spend time there/ elsewhere, you realise how rapidly we ( Britain- I now hesitate to use the word 'Great') are moving into the third world.
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Posted 18 July 2017 - 10:18 PM

One thing I have noticed is that the drivers here like to press on a bit. If you happen to find yourself in the outside lane overtaking slower traffic and a car closes up behind he will literally hang off your back bumper until you pull back over.


It's good in that it prevents dawdling. Over here people will sit for ages doing an overtake at 1mph faster, does my head in, especially when I've built up momentum in something lacking power like the Astra dizzler.
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Posted 19 July 2017 - 06:13 AM

I drove London to Zaragoza Spain last month in my 1993 Citroen ax diesel. All the way on non- autoroute roads. It took three days. Mostly ok - some interesting moments - like being followed by a French reg Landrover Defender at 80mph on switchback roads, I didn't know they handled that well - the Barcelona to Zaragoza road was the most dangerous place I have driven because of the tailgating artics in a real hurry. Problems - none at all. The drive over the Pyrenees was fun.
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Posted 19 July 2017 - 04:07 PM

One thing I have noticed is that the drivers here like to press on a bit. If you happen to find yourself in the outside lane overtaking slower traffic and a car closes up behind he will literally hang off your back bumper until you pull back over.

 

And after a while I realised that, unlike in the UK, it's nothing personal. They're just waiting for you to get out of the way so they can carry on. Take it as a gentle reminder that overtaking with a 1mph speed differential is just not acceptable.

 

Germany has it sorted - on a two lane autobahn where there is any uphill gradient at all, freight is not allowed to overtake = no elephant racing. THAT's how to make the best use of the lanes you have until there's enough money in the coffers for a widening.

 

What do we get? Effing smart motorways and a hard shoulder that might be available as a refuge, or it might not, depending upon a system using some traffic sensors and lots of cameras. And if it is, then you'll likely get a ticket for driving in it. Confused? I note that many drivers just stay out of the optional lane, completely defeating its purpose for easing congestion.

 

Ferry is booked for Friday. Oh how I wish it was not a return ticket.


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Posted 19 July 2017 - 05:37 PM

Last week, on the way to Montpellier, I got held up in Lyon. In hindsight I don't think it was the best route but internet said otherwise. Anyway, after major tailbacks through/around Lyon, the pace picked up and the fast lane was a nose to tail 90mph race track. Not ideal in the dark with nobody giving an inch and impossible to leave yourself a gap. If you did leave a gap, you'd be undertaken and lose it immediately. It was an interesting two or three hours.

Calais to Lyon and less traffic was a joy as the lane discipline is much better than in the UK.

I wouldn't claim to be the most experienced, maybe a dozen trips since the early 90's, and tomorrow will be my first go at driving into Paris where we're stopping for a few days? Any tips for the capital?
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Posted 19 July 2017 - 05:45 PM

Yeah, don't forget to pack a healthy dose of heart medicine.

You will need it when you see the prices.


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Posted 19 July 2017 - 09:21 PM

I like driving in Paris. Reminds me of driving in London. You have to watch from all directions, be assertive, read the signs and be ready to brake. It also helps to be in the right lane as often as possible.
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Posted 19 July 2017 - 10:28 PM

At least in Paris they drive, unlike in London, where they dawdle around in typically British fashion just to annoy the living fuck out of me.

You won't last three minutes in Paris if you display English zombieness at the wheel.


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Posted 19 July 2017 - 11:24 PM

Little experience of Paris, but what I have reminds me of London before anpr, speed and red light cameras: assert your position on the road rather than trying to keep up! And whatever anyone else does, don't take it personally.

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Posted 20 July 2017 - 05:19 AM

I've driven through Paris many times in various machines from a brand new Mercedes to a Vivaro.  I find Paris hard but fair and as such I love it.  



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Posted 22 July 2017 - 09:52 AM

Was just travelling along a dual carriageway in an enforcement zone. The car in front was travelling at 80 with a 90 limit so went past him and got flashed. I was being careful but may have slightly edged over 90 to maybe 93 or something. Am I facing a fine when I get home?
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Posted 22 July 2017 - 10:20 AM

You're facing imprisonment and financial ruin.  Theres no easy way of breaking this news to you.  Your life as you know it is over.


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Posted 22 July 2017 - 10:22 AM

Possibly, since 7th May this year they are on reciprocal grassing-up of stuff like that.

http://etsc.eu/faq-e...ment-directive/

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Posted 22 July 2017 - 10:28 AM

I can't see how they can morally or legally do this?



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Posted 22 July 2017 - 10:30 AM

How no?

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Posted 22 July 2017 - 10:48 AM

93 in a 90 is unlikely to be worth their time. The reciprocal agreement tends to be more for them to hammer the piss takers who sit at 160+ on the autoroute.

I don't know if it's still being done but a few years ago there were UK cozzers in UK pursuit cars on the French side specifically to target Brits speeding to and from the ferries.

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Posted 22 July 2017 - 11:55 AM

English police have no jurisdiction over in France. Tell them to fuck off. 



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Posted 22 July 2017 - 08:41 PM

Another thought I've had while being over here is that the French mainly buy French cars so there are loads about. Looking out of the hotel window now every car on the street is a French car. I haven't seen any broken down in 1000 miles. Are French cars that unreliable then? Saying that i haven't noticed many Laguna 2's on the road, or verge... I'm quite tempted by an Espace or Grand Espace for family duties.
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Posted 22 July 2017 - 08:49 PM

I'd imagine it's because the local garages know how to maintain them appropriately?

 

Not too long now until this year's French adventure. Certainly looking forward to it......


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